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Rendo has the Deals section which tells you clearly what is discounted (usually 50% up) and the expiration date (as already mentioned.) In the Prime forum (I think it is) there's a post with a code to give you discounts, and similar to here, it can apply to many sales items. The vendors' items are clearly marked with green tickets (yes, participate in that code) or red (they don't ) There's nothing puzzling about it. I do like the rewards system, it can add up over time. I like how the vendors at Rendo (many are from here) support items from here with additional texture sets. (Onnel and Arryn dresses, OOT does texture sets, etc) It helps sell items here at Daz.
The PC+ membership with the $12 of coupons pays for the membership if you use them, and I always have. Just so I'm not misunderstood- I didn't say the membership isn't worth it, just the higher prices aren't in line with what we were promised (sets would be more expensive was the example given.) So I wondered if I missed the announcement somewhere, which is quite possible, but it seems I didn't. I do think the point about clothing being dF and more complicated is very valid. If it's harder to make and does more things, a price increase is warranted.
But this has NOT been addressed- POSES going to $4 can not be explained logically. They're not harder to make to the tune of doubling from $2 to $4. Someone needs to take a look at that pricing.
I always encourage people to join PC+ due to the coupons, the discounts on DO's. Daz tries to help with sales on the memberships and you get your money's worth IMO depending on how much you buy, as people have mentioned. For me, using a "new" PC+ item to trigger bigger discounts ties with the $12 coupons to being the reason to belong. It's just not the products anymore, but now I own alot so I was curious as to others' reactions on the prices. Perhaps newer buyers are finding greater benefits.
...yeah I paid 28$ for my last Annual membership. The nice thing is they stack with the remaining months you have so I'm good through May of next year.
As to freebies, I tend find them useful, particularly props. The last several were plants which can always come in handy in scenes. True those high poly ones can be a bugger, particularly if you have older hardware.
I personally don't care for dforce men's clothing. I would gladly return to conforming clothing for a discount rate.
I don't agree with your assessment. Annual sub no discount is $70. Ok. PC+ gives two $6 coupons/mo - One for DO & new items, one a $6-off-$18 for non-DO & Prime items (no new items). Then an extra 30% off DO items & you get the PC+ pricing on PC+ items. Then, with patience for a sale and/or discounted gift cards, you get a discount off of PC+ membership. Then you get the freebies on top of that. And big events like March Madness and PC+ festival are much, much bigger. And let's not forget the Covid gifts Daz gave last year that were far more impressive with PC+ membership. But if you are dead set against spending more than a certain amount of money here, it might not work for you. Mine is currently lapsed, but that's not because of Daz.
TL;DR: PC+ program is great!
...Indeed, I made out like a bandit during the previous Holiday and PC sales...
...well, store issues notwithstanding (why they seem to pick the latter to introduce major changes to the store is beyond me, it's happened a few times over the years).
It's worth noting the more expensive PC+ items can be had for 60% off those prices if you're patient. I think it was the PC sale where there was a sales grouping of 60% off PC+ items. And every once in a while we get a flash sale for X% off Y number of items - usually when it's 60% it's sometimes good on PC+ items. Those 3.99 items can be had for 1.60, the 4.99 for 2.00. etc.
There's a million variables at play here.
But a few things to remember - moving away from 1.99 fixed pricing was done for many reasons, but the flipside to that was we also introduced the 30% intro discount on PC+ products.
So moving poses to say 2.99, gives an intro price of 2.09, which basically means the price would be the same (and resulting commission.. which is an issue), so 3.99 is a price that gives people a 2 week price of 2.79 - which gives us enough of a bump to cover things like everything else going up. At the time we didn't have the ability to price at say 3.49 or whatever.
The last 1.99 pose pack is from around 8 years ago, and yes, everything has gone up in 8 years.. I'm not sure it's fair on the PA's to say it's not 'harder to make'.. given I really try and push the pose packs to be more narrative driven these days (and bigger in size where possible), as well as trying to ensure the artwork is top notch. This all has a cost.
If I could sell everything for 1.99 like the good old days, I would.. but.. obviously that's not an option.
So please consider that I do everything I can in my power to keep prices as low as possible and it's not always as simple as 'they've double the price for the sake of it'.
I find it difficult to complain about PC+ on any level. For me, it's simple math. I jumped back in to a PC+ annual back in November for $42. I've since used $72 in monthly coupons and by the end of my membership year, the coupons will net me over a $100 in discounting. Add in the 30% DO discount and I have a membership that saves me a considerable amount of money relating to my specific buying habits. If DAZ didn't offer PC+ products at all, the membership would still be a no-brainer for me.
When I joined DAZ way back in 2003, the $1.99 price point was a big deal then. It was a way to build your asset library quickly and DAZ didn't engage as much in deep discount promotions like they do now. Times have certainly changed and prices have gone up. But that's true of everything from ice cream to action figures.
What's important to note is that PC+ products (even ones as high as $5-$6) are still considerably less expensive than comparable non-PC+ items. I personally find most pose packs in the store to be overpriced and redundant; comparitively, the PC+ packs are higher quality and at $4 are a pretty good value. And as Jack noted, the various discounts can push them cheaper.
It all balances out. During MM I was getting PC+ items for as low as .83 - $2.09. Shop shrewdly and even recent releases can drop down to the $2-$3 range.
...as with characters, I don't purchase a lot of pose content. What i do have I often modify quite a bit to suit the scene.I am working on. the ones I do like are those which have split poses for the upperand lower body as well as even indoividual limbs (like the ones by Ironman 13) which allow for customisation. I also have the Ultimate Pose Master tool as well.
Even though I've been around since teh 99¢ days, I also realise that in time prices will increase over time. It's sort of a natrual thing.
So. In more than 8 years the user base of Daz and PC+ has been the same? Because, my understanding not from this site but from the use that i see of Daz assets is that is has been increased (by a lot); i may be relative new here but i have seen DAZ works for over 10 years. So, if you sell more it compensates the increased production cost.
To quote Chris Meloni's character from Man of Steel: "This man is not our enemy."
I feel Jack has been as transparent as he possibly can in addressing these issues. Just the fact that he engages here and on other similar 'complaint' threads speaks volumes. And in doing so he is constantly met with the blunt weapon that is customer entitlement. Jack's explanations that speak to the needs of a business, or generalized oversimplifications almost totally lacking in necessary insight? I'll go with Jack.
Prime also has this weird quirk where for some of the best sales, the discount is sometimes significantly bigger than the Prime price. I haven't found any way to not pay the Prime amount, so sales are a bizarro world where the thing I want would be $5 if the site didn't helpfully think I want it for $7.
That's odd - I always get charged the lowest price when that happens.
PC+ wins hands down in the bang-for-buck category and Daz site largely wins for shopping experience. I shop the other site because I like the content there.
...+1
This. This March, for the first time ever, I actually spent more money at Renderosity than I did in March Madness. With Gen 8.1 I've finally stopped buying every new base figure and bundle. The base price of items at DAZ is just getting out of hand, the quality control and customer service have gone through the toilet and DAZ Studio itself is getting slower and buggier. Exactly why am I paying more money for less? Oh wait, that's right... I'm not. I just wait for the usual over 65% discounts to kick in and buy then.
Every Prime item has a banner on the thumbnail showing either Prime or Prime Flash. The only times there is any doubt is if there's a sale event and the price for everyone - Prime or not - is lower than the Prime price.
Yeah, I have nothing at all against Jack or the Platinum Club. It's totally worth it even if you never buy a thing from the PC offerings just for the two coupons and discount on DO. I'm just not buying anything atm. LOL.
I don't Think Jack is the enemy, i don't even think DAZ is the enemy. That do not mean that i need to take their explanations as being complete, not even correct as for example i (and many others) have countless times proven wrong daz, mods and white nights that said there was no price increase of core figure release promos and bundle.
Business needs is one thing, business greed is another.
After the two week release period, the 30% is lost. And PC+ items rarely allow other discounts to stack. That makes the difference beteween regular and PC+ items narrow very often.
BTW. I don't think PC+ is expensive or not worth it, but is certainly not as cheap as last year (because of promotions) and regular items pricing is not THAT attractive outside special dates.
Well PAs gotta eat, too. When I compare food prices today to what they were in the Before Times, they're pretty consistently quite a bit higher now than they were then. I've no doubt that Daz & Co. have benefitted from the pandemic lockdowns, although probably not as much as they could have if their quality control and webmastery inspired more confidence, but life has gotten more expensive all around.
Earlier today I purchased the annual PC+ membership. I'd been renewing quarterly for a while, but decided to take advantage of the flash sale today and show some love and support for my beloved PC+ membership and go in for a year.
And I fully support the price increases, which seem modest. It would not be reasonable for me to assume (sale) prices would stay fixed. The talented product creators and all who support them behind the scenes, as well as DAZ itself, should expect increased income as the cost of most everything increases over the years. Adjusting the sales prices and even the regular prices upwards, if done with reasonable restraint, and improving on quality control/overall product quality, would benefit us in the long term. If it helps creators produce more of what customers want and even attract new creators to the marketplace.
Does this mean I will be more selective with my buying habits? Likely so. But for the products I really want it will be worth it. But that's just me and my situtation. Others will have vastly different needs and situations.
Lee
I thought prices went up sometime ago.
Leon HD ("Klingon-esque" character for G8M) is $6.99 now. I thought that was pretty reasonable.
I don't usually buy many PC+ items since generally speaking the quality is quite low. In the past I've often used those new $2.99 or sometimes even weekly freebie items in sales where you can get extra discount with any new product, but nowadays there's very few if any $2.99 around that I have any use, so my use of PC+ items has dropped to weekly freebies. Of course there are exceptions, like the new Smoking Room 2020, Grand Staircase 2020 and Old Village Wishing Well, which all look like quality products, but most of the content does not. Also setting really high base price for PC+ items, like PC+ quality hair items at base price $25, so that they can set PC+ price to $7.99 does not look good to me.
...also there's quite a big number of PC+ items that does not even meet Daz own adds. Out of current 26 new releases 10 does not meet that -70% off their base price...as I see them page shows something like 65%, 68% or 69% for multiple products, but in my opinion close enough is not the point. If you promise 70% off, then giving 65% or 69% does not do it...I didn't calculate it though, maybe Daz site shows incorrect discount, or maybe I misunderstood what that promise means...
And like some others, I probably won't renew my PC+ sub when my current one expires. To me it looks like the average price of PC+ items have like doubled over the 5+ years I've been a member, but quality has not.
My aggravation is...why bother having a monthly coupon when pretty much none of the vendors participate...or at least the vendors I'd buy from, and there are only a handful of those. So even though I'm a Prime member, my monthly coupon sits unused and expires about 90% of the time.
At least with PC+ I can actually use the coupon every month...and it's actual whole-dollars off that can be used on sale items...whereas the Prime coupon is a whopping 15% off something that is full-price...not worth it. I'm honestly thinking I'll be non-renewing my Prime membership next go-round...but I'll be keeping PC+.
Yeah, I always get charged the lower of the two prices.
Same here with the monthly Rendo coupon, I have a number of different vendors in my wishlist over there and still rarely get to use the coupon on anything because so few of them participate. I actually complained about that once, but nothing ever came of it. Will stick with PC+ here as well I think.
When i didn't have pc+, I saved a lot more - thousands
This time, when it expires, it's expiring. I'm very disappointed in Daz.
What is the excuse to put a price tag of $25 to this product? https://www.daz3d.com/container-cabin
Products with similar characteristics from the same PA go for $20. For the $25 the same PA provides more detail and high modularity. This one https://www.daz3d.com/sci-fi-hub is even cheaper.
(Note: I don't think the item is bad, on the contrary i found it good. Just that the pricing don't seem fair. If this was $20 base, with the advertised 70% for PC+ it would go for $4.2/$6 instead $5.6/$8.)
The universal dress also seems like a bad deal. I can't see using the base as is, and by the time you've gotten enough add-ons to make it pretty, you've spent more than you would have for a regular dress that just went on sale. I guess if you buy enough add ons, it gradually becomes worth it, but the quality (not so great) combined with the need to commit to buying so much before it becomes worth it, make it really unappealing to me.
The Renaissance dress is a different story. I've seen so many nice renders with it. It looks really good! And you only have to buy the base dress. The textures it comes with are nice enough to use.