otee, real christmas tree or fake tree ?

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,251
    edited December 1969

    Santa Suit from artist Tomas Nash made in 1892, that predates Haddon Sundblom's Coca Cola Illustration's by 39 years.

    fake tree gets my vote, were just killing trees and throwing them away, no tree ever did anything to me to warrant that.

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Santa Suit from artist Tomas Nash made in 1892, that predates Haddon Sundblom's Coca Cola Illustration's by 39 years.

    fake tree gets my vote, were just killing trees and throwing them away, no tree ever did anything to me to warrant that.

    Spotted your sig line and just had to append this Christmas tree image

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    Szark said:
    Fishtales said:
    We have a realistic plastic tree we have had for twenty years, so instead of twenty trees being used we only needed the one :-)

    Christmas is a pagan ritual adopted by the Christian church as the birth of Christ. It is the returning of the sun, the re-birth at the winter solstice, (see the connection sun/son) and the bringing in of the log and decorating it pre-dates Christmas trees which were turned into what they are by the Victorians and Saint Nicholas was turned into the commodity called Santa by Coca-Cola :-)

    Pagan, Wiccan or Christian it is still a great time for families and celebrations :-)

    I know and I would rather spend time with family on our terms than be dictated to by others. Just like Mothers and Father days etc etc My Parents hate the idea for those very reason and I have to agree with them. But I still stand by my opinion if you want a tree use a real one. :)

    ...well today is:

    E-Card Day (hmmmm....)

    As well as:

    Homemade Bread Day (yum)

    ...and...

    World Peace Day (we're all family..........right?)LOL yeah we are all family...I like that, merry Christmas. :)

    On soap box time: Consider this for a min. Trees lock in carbon and produce Oxygen, a composted tree still has the carbon locked in, burning said tree releases that carbon, not good. Plastic takes a lot of manmade energy which produces more carbon than the tree does when burnt and not counting the other pollutants when plastic is made. Plus plastic take years for it to degrade and buried even longer. So do your bit a get a real tree and compost it, throw it in a corner of the garden and forget it for a few years and let the bugs and fungi do their bit.

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,162
    edited December 1969

    Santa Suit from artist Tomas Nash made in 1892, that predates Haddon Sundblom's Coca Cola Illustration's by 39 years.

    fake tree gets my vote, were just killing trees and throwing them away, no tree ever did anything to me to warrant that.

    That would be Thomas Nast (easy spelling mistake to make :-) ) Coca-Cola didn't invent Santa and his suit but they took the ones that were about and turned him into the figure we associate him with today.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    ...if one lives in a flat as I do, there is no yard to compost a real tree in so it ends up out on the curb for the rubbish collector to pick up. Also here real cut trees are very expensive and can cost upwards of 50$ or more and if you don't drive, hauling one home can be a real pain. . To have a tree picked up after the holidays, so it is properly recycled/composted, is a special arrangement that costs extra.

    50$ spent for the "vintage" aluminum tree (and yes, I love 60's kitsch) is actually a real bargain in comparison as it has lasted many years (actually almost a half century since it was originally made back the 1960s). As long as it is properly cared for and stored, it will last many years more. When the holidays are over I just have to take it apart and pack it away, no mess, no needles to sweep up, no tangled strings of lights to deal with the next year (there are gremlins who just love to do that), and as above no disposal costs to deal with.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    i haz to start from the beginning with a tree this year. ornaments and the tree and the tree skirt and everything.

    would luv to do the lionel choo choo train around the tree and invite a kitteh over :lol: lil plastic dude used to come out of his lil hut with a lantern when the choo choo went by

    dalek tree looks kewl :)

  • robkelkrobkelk Posts: 3,259
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    On soap box time: Consider this for a min. Trees lock in carbon and produce Oxygen, a composted tree still has the carbon locked in, burning said tree releases that carbon, not good. Plastic takes a lot of manmade energy which produces more carbon than the tree does when burnt and not counting the other pollutants when plastic is made. Plus plastic take years for it to degrade and buried even longer. So do your bit a get a real tree and compost it, throw it in a corner of the garden and forget it for a few years and let the bugs and fungi do their bit.
    Or pulp the tree, turn the pulp into paper, make books (not Kindle or Kobo files) out of the paper, and put the books under next year's tree. The home library is a personal carbon sequestration project from before personal carbon sequestration projects were cool.
  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    Fake, pre-lit tree. We actually have several of them around the house. One is from the 60's, the other two are about ... I want to say 8 or 9 years old.

    Decorations go up the weekend after Thanksgiving (except the lighted garland in the living room, which is up year round since we've got so much stuff against the walls, it's a serious pain to put it up and take it down.) And come down the weekend after Jan 6.

    I find fake trees to just be more economical where we are (near Suburbs of Chicago. Near enough to be much more "Urban" than "Suburban"). One $80 purchase that has lasted us nearly a decade, as opposed to a fresh $10-$20 purchase each year (not sure about the price, since we don't get them.) Also while our kitties will still climb the fake tree, they don't chew on it (we use beaded garlands, rather than tinsel), and there are no needles to get stuck in my foot, significantly less concern about the tree drying out and potentially causing a fire, and much more efficient clean up (it all goes back in the box and down in the basement for another year.)

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    asides from the home strung popcorn, what other kinda of ornaments from home made stuff?

    i was thinking of making ginger snaps or something edible, but i might eat them :lol:

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,590
    edited December 1969

    I made coloured molded chocolate ornaments one year and the lights melted them

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    I made coloured molded chocolate ornaments one year and the lights melted them


    :shut: oh noes

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,590
    edited November 2014

    Always fake. We used the same fake tree for a decade until it just got so worn and ratty that we had to replace it, so that thing was part of mine and my sisters' Christmas memories. Ours is green, but I love that one Kyoto Kid has. A fake tree can't be too kitsch for me. :D

    Anyway, this year I have my own office and can put up a goth-black aluminum one. I understand they sell them in a readily portable size. I'm not sure I'll want to take it down. I may just keep redecorating it for increasingly less appropriate holidays. I kind of want to get my own 3D printer so I can cover it in Singers of Chzor ornaments (with festive Mother Beast topper).

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,672
    edited November 2014

    Ponderables:

    1) If a fake tree were used for one generation (let's say 30 years) would the carbon footprint zero out?

    2) If we could create microbes that eat plastic would that help?

    3) If we used a big picture of a tree instead, would the holiday be the same?

    My answers without much pondering: 1) No. 2) Maybe, but we might worry about our gadgets, autos and prostheses. 3) Yes, any excuse for overspending is acceptable.

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    topiary christmas tree? doublefacepalmslapforhead :lol:

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,251
    edited December 1969

    instead of tinsel I'm going to decorate the tree with actual cat food since most of the tinsel I use will be eaten by the cat.
    No one knows why they do this, cats would rather starve than try to eat spaghetti but throw shiny strands of aluminum all over some tree branches and a cat thinks he's walked into Sizzler.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    So true

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:

    So true


    plus tipping point to bring down the whole tree :lol:

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,251
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:

    So true

    yes, usually come home to every ornament scattered across the rug and a crazy cat starring back at you from a tree poised to fall over.

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    In the here and now a little fake tree, lots of ornaments but there were fewer and fewer little red hearts because those were Cat's favorites. She knew the seasons and each year around November we'd find her playing with a little red heart she had dug out of some hiding place.

    In the past I mostly had real trees. Chuga, a feral cat I brought in who mostly became a housecat, would claim the area under the tree as her sleeping spot instead of my bed for the season.

    But it's too early. I still have Thanksgiving and Joe's birthday to get through.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    edited December 1969

    If a Christmas tree falls in a living room, does it make a sound, or is that just you yelling at the cat?

  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191
    edited December 1969

    We probably won't have a tree this year. Not enough room in the small house we are renting until we find a house to buy. I still have packing boxes that I refuse to unpack until we buy a house. In NY, where we lived until last year, we always had a live tree. Put it up the day after Thanksgiving and left it until the day after New Years. When it got taken down, we put it out to the curb and the village collected trees to put in the chipper for the village mulch pile for everyone to use.

    Now we live in FL. It will be our first real Christmas here. From what I saw last year, everyone decorated their palm trees. I don't think I saw one "Christmas Tree" the whole season. I'm not even sure if they sell live trees here or not yet. I may have to start a new tradition next year and get an artificial tree or decorate a palm tree, too.

  • Charles WestCharles West Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    If a Christmas tree falls in a living room, does it make a sound, or is that just you yelling at the cat?

    Its the kids screaming when the squirrel runs out of the tree.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    ...when I first moved into a new flat here in Portland over twenty years ago I had to improvise as I lived on an upper floor and the building's elevator was very small. So I took out and assembled one of my big delta sport kites (8' wingsapn), propped it up on a table and got a small string of "cool burn" mini lights to put on it as well as several small ornaments. That was my "holiday tree" that year.

    At least the shape was close.

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited December 1969

    Well. I live in the forest, for the most part. Population last I checked was less than 3000, nearest city is 250 km. away. Forest on the north, south, east and west. So, what kind of tree do you think I get? As for needles on the carpet, I get a balsam fir (Abies Balsamea) and keep water in the stand - no needle drop. As for being environmentally friendly, they go back where they came from and the forest fills the vacuum. If you feel guilty, plant a new one (or ten, or a hundred, or a thousand). Oh yeah, and they're free of course, apart from time and effort.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    ...sounds nice but unfortunately for us "city folk", not an option.

    Here in Portland we do have a large forested park on the east slope on the West Hills aptly named "Forest Park", which save for a few hiking trails has been left pretty much in its natural state. Don't think the Portland Parks Commission would be very accommodating to someone heading up there chainsaw or axe in hand before the holidays. ;-)

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited December 1969

    Yes, about 45% or more of the area within 100 km is parkland and protected hereabouts, too. But that leaves hundreds of thousands of hectares that are not. The remaining lands are not unprotected, there are rules, of course . For example, we are allowed 1 tree per family only, and no cutting in plantations and no topping of larger trees. For the most part, with a relatively small population, the impact is negligible. Of course, the trees that are shipped to the cities for sale do not come from wild forest like ours. They are grown in Christmas tree plantations where spacing, growth and form can be tightly controlled, and it has more in common with farming than forestry.

  • srieschsriesch Posts: 4,241
    edited December 1969

    @Kyoto Kid, you might be able to find a pre-decorated tree hereabouts, no need to even bring it in. I saw one decorated over at Ecola State Park once along one of the trails, and somebody I met on one of the trails in the Gorge mentioned he found a decorated tree out there as well.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited November 2014

    ...ahh, but I have the "space age" aluminum one already.

    Getting to Ecola requires a car which I do not have.

    I wonder if someone tried decorating a tree or two up in Forest Park? I live over by Laurelhurst Park, but never seen it done here in in the 16 years I've been in the nieghbourhood.

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,251
    edited December 1969

    we have the Christmas Tree farms down where I live now. I moved down south from NYC a few years ago the real trees were super cheap in comparison to what I saw up north, but recently it seems like they're getting greedy with the asking prices.
    Also not looking forward to the first Monday after New Years when all those trees are tossed next to the street for garbage pickup. It's the post-holiday sadness slap.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    not sure i want to buy a pre lit tree. i remember having to fluff the tree out, out of the box, it was wire branches,

    weather is going back up to 50F this weekend. tree fever is a lil less intense. :)

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