Pose set observation

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,276
    edited August 2021

    I'm a big fan of Elliandra poses. 

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  • Gator_2236745Gator_2236745 Posts: 1,312

    Write Idea said:

    Like many of you, I've pulled back on pose sets.  I'll only buy them if it's interacting figures, a great deal, or something I've never seen before.  How many hands-on-hips or flexing poses can one have?  I looked through my pose library, and there are MANY.  Plus, there is a freebie over on DA where it converts G3 to G8 poses.  So, that limits me buying any other G8 pose sets.  I think Zeddicuss does great work in ordinary and extraordinary situations for poses.  3D Sugar is next level.  His 101 model series (for both G8M and G8F) is high quality.

    Plus, PedroFurtadoArtsStanding Idle for Genesis 8 Female and Male set is a must own.  I saw it and said to myself, "It's a pose set where they are just standing around?  BRILLIANT!"

    Sigh... I took a look sadly they aren't making poses for Genesis 3 females.  I have the same issue, I bought many pose sets but there's hardly any normal just normal standing or walking.  

    The thing that grinds my gears the most with poses from PAs though is that many are lacking when it comes to feet and the floor - they're uneven, so one is on the floor, the other is clipping through the ground or significantly up from it.  IMO that's one of the basics.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited August 2021

    scott762_948aec318a said:

    Write Idea said:

    Like many of you, I've pulled back on pose sets.  I'll only buy them if it's interacting figures, a great deal, or something I've never seen before.  How many hands-on-hips or flexing poses can one have?  I looked through my pose library, and there are MANY.  Plus, there is a freebie over on DA where it converts G3 to G8 poses.  So, that limits me buying any other G8 pose sets.  I think Zeddicuss does great work in ordinary and extraordinary situations for poses.  3D Sugar is next level.  His 101 model series (for both G8M and G8F) is high quality.

    Plus, PedroFurtadoArtsStanding Idle for Genesis 8 Female and Male set is a must own.  I saw it and said to myself, "It's a pose set where they are just standing around?  BRILLIANT!"

    Sigh... I took a look sadly they aren't making poses for Genesis 3 females.  I have the same issue, I bought many pose sets but there's hardly any normal just normal standing or walking. 

    Yea, not many G3 sets with just normal everyday poses.  Here's those I've found so far:

    Daily Poses For The Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/031779
    I13 50 Essential Poses For Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/022844
    Simply Everyday Poses And Expressions For Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/034281
    I13 75 Pose Variety Pack For The Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/032585
    I13 75 Pose Variety Pack 2 For The Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/036783
    I13 Tanning Salon Poses For Genesis 3 Female And Male  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/036889
    In The Garden Poses For Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/036939
    I13 Shopping Poses For The Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/037049
    Restaurant Poses Genesis 3 Male & Genesis 3 Female  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/037193
    I13 Conversations Pose Collection For The Genesis 3 Male(S) And Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/030765
    I13 Chat Collection Poses For The Genesis 3 Female(S) And Genesis 3 Male(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/031529
    I13 50 Essential Poses For The Genesis 3 Male(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/023655
    I13 Life With You! Pose Collection For The Genesis 3 Male(S) And Genesis 3 Female(S)  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/033243
    The Common Man Poses For Genesis 3 Male  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/023216
    Urban Ubiquity Poses For Genesis 3 And 8 Male  -  https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/056769

     

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  • And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,653

    zombietaggerung said:

    And this is the reason I don't buy pose sets, unless they are incredibly unique. I honestly prefer to make my own poses.

    +1 Me too.yes  I started with an tool named "Poser".  I sort of thought that was the idea.indecision 

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,911
    edited August 2021
    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    There is the freebie on Renderosity for G3->G8, if you edit the script, and everywhere it has a variable, a sign and a fixed digit inside a set of brackets (eg (zrotg3f - 45)) then change the sign to a plus if it's minus and vice versa, then that's the script edited to work as G8->G3. There are iirc 4 lines you need to find and edit (left shoulder bend, right shoulder bend, left thigh bend and right thigh bend), that's all. I can't really distribute my version as it'd break copyright..

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973

    richardandtracy said:

    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    There is the freebie on Renderosity for G3->G8, if you edit the script, and everywhere it has a variable, a sign and a fixed digit inside a set of brackets (eg (zrotg3f - 45)) then change the sign to a plus if it's minus and vice versa, then that's the script edited to work as G8->G3. There are iirc 4 lines you need to find and edit (left shoulder bend, right shoulder bend, left thigh bend and right thigh bend), that's all. I can't really distribute my version as it'd break copyright..

    Will try that, thanks!

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,949

    certaintree38 said:

    As much as Daz wants to distance itself from pron and cheesecake, those are it's roots and they still represent a large share of the user base. Just look at the Daz3d images at DA. The vast majority of them are of pretty women or men, either naked or looking provocative. Many of these images have more than 1k likes and almost all of them get some attention. So, not only are there lots of people using Daz for nudes and pron, these users also have a huge and active audience. No wonder the PAs make it.

    When doing renders for stuff I recently bought - either when just trying them out or using them to show some variations or changes I made to them - I usually (or rather, always..) tag them as NSFW in the Rendo Gallery, to make sure that at least a few people take a look at them...

    And PA's can be assured, nearly all of the PinUp or other "erotic" poses are of a great help when doing smut renders. devil

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,598

    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    If you want to support a DAZ PA, then go with Riversoft Art. Loads of scripts available for converting anything G3 to G8. Not for free, though, but high quality 

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,764

    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    https://www.sharecg.com/v/89846/browse/8/Script/Daz3d-Pose-Converter-Standalone

    ^Free and does a good job converting poses between any Genesis generations. There are some poses that oddly don't work with it but the vast majority do.

     

    Shout out to FeralFey for her poses: https://www.daz3d.com/feralfey - among the more realistic, non-pinup variety (some for interacting with others / the environment / props and some solo).

  • Yes, they are good. Very good.
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited August 2021

    Silent Winter said:

    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    https://www.sharecg.com/v/89846/browse/8/Script/Daz3d-Pose-Converter-Standalone

    ^Free and does a good job converting poses between any Genesis generations. There are some poses that oddly don't work with it but the vast majority do.

    Thanks, already have that one though, was looking for one that doesn't create new presets but just converts the loaded pose like the other one does.  It's also "non-commercial use" only, the other one has an unrestricted license.  

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  • 3Don3Don Posts: 690

    Take a look at my poses store for practical & realistic pose actions & dramas. Equestrians, musicians, gossipers, space cadets in zero Gee, historical actions, etc. Some of my sets are based on real-life experiences; musician, first responder, horesback rider, lifeguard...

    I sell a wide range of my poses that go back to SKU 502. 161 sets sold last month & well over 200 this month so far. I've worked with a lot of modelers, making poses to support & enhance their various props. If anyone needs specialized poses for promos, etc. contact me. We can trade out stuff.

    I had a 20 year pre-digital illustration career & drew figures from life or from photo sessions, by hand in a variety of media. That gives me a certain perspective. "It's easy to Toot your own horn when you write your own music," (to quote myself.)

     

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    melissastjames said:

    It always drives me crazy that pretty much every female pose (in general), even just a simple standing pose, has some level of cat-in-heat desperation about it. You know what mean...overly arched back, butt thrust out, tits to the sky. Good lord my back would be in knots if I went about life like that. 

    I always customize my poses, but when I'm looking for something to start building from, many times it's a 'male' pose. Because they're...how shall I say it...normal. 

     

    This. 100%.

    I also mentioned this in another thread and was quickly dismissed with the response that pin-up is what people want. I don't. OK, that look has its place (in a 1950s magazine) but I want natural poses.

    And another thing ... while we are on the subject of poses ... when will the PAs learn not to use hip rotations? These cause all sorts of problems if using the pose for the starting point for an animation.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,911
    edited August 2021
    So, would good practice leave the hip horizontal, and just bob up and down with the rise and fall of the pace, with all hip sway coming from the pelvis? (Interested to learn, here. Not done an animation yet, trying to file away techniques for if I ever do.)
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  • The hip bone is the root bone of the skeleton. It should be left untouched by the pose because it serves as the origin the point of reference for moving the figure around. It shouldn't even need being touched whilst making the pose. The pelvis bone is the actual anatomical hip bone of the model.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,174
    edited August 2021

    marble said:

    melissastjames said:

    It always drives me crazy that pretty much every female pose (in general), even just a simple standing pose, has some level of cat-in-heat desperation about it. You know what mean...overly arched back, butt thrust out, tits to the sky. Good lord my back would be in knots if I went about life like that. 

    I always customize my poses, but when I'm looking for something to start building from, many times it's a 'male' pose. Because they're...how shall I say it...normal. 

     

    And another thing ... while we are on the subject of poses ... when will the PAs learn not to use hip rotations? These cause all sorts of problems if using the pose for the starting point for an animation.

    Personally, I find hip rotations very useful, because that keeps the widget for the figure itself normal, making it much easier to maneuver around the scene. Granted, I almost never use pre-made poses, so you might be responding to a situation that I haven't encountered.

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Gordig said:

    marble said:

    melissastjames said:

    It always drives me crazy that pretty much every female pose (in general), even just a simple standing pose, has some level of cat-in-heat desperation about it. You know what mean...overly arched back, butt thrust out, tits to the sky. Good lord my back would be in knots if I went about life like that. 

    I always customize my poses, but when I'm looking for something to start building from, many times it's a 'male' pose. Because they're...how shall I say it...normal. 

     

    And another thing ... while we are on the subject of poses ... when will the PAs learn not to use hip rotations? These cause all sorts of problems if using the pose for the starting point for an animation.

    Personally, I find hip rotations very useful, because that keeps the widget for the figure itself normal, making it much easier to maneuver around the scene. Granted, I almost never use pre-made poses, so you might be responding to a situation that I haven't encountered.

     

    It has been discussed several times in the DAZ Studio forum and I and others have logged support requests. The problem with hip rotations and animations is that if the rotation goes over a certain point (I think, 90 or -90) then it causes the whole figure to spin as you scrub along the timeline. Very often I have used a pose in the still render and then load that scene as the start of an animation, only to find - to my intense frustration - that the figure starts the dreaded spinning. There have been scripts produced which attempt to correct this and move the rotation to the root but they don't always have the desired effect. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,030

    Most of the poses that come in bundles or in PC club are not sexy. I think most poses here are not sexy ENOUGH. I do cheesecake or fashion model type stuff, (not porn,) and I find the poses here too boring and always tweak them to make them sexier or more interesting, And it’s not just sex appeal, it’s details. Boring hands, feet, awkward positioning... Everything has to be tweaked a lot no matter what. ThoseThings and Rarestone have some interesting poses to start as bases, but most pose sets I just find dull and unrealistic even as cheesecake or supposedly sexy.., I wish they would look at Victoria Secret catalogs, current fashion magazines or celebrity poses instead of old poses from the 1950’s. 

  • Db3dDb3d Posts: 248

    Wonderland said:

    Most of the poses that come in bundles or in PC club are not sexy. I think most poses here are not sexy ENOUGH. I do cheesecake or fashion model type stuff, (not porn,) and I find the poses here too boring and always tweak them to make them sexier or more interesting, And it’s not just sex appeal, it’s details. Boring hands, feet, awkward positioning... Everything has to be tweaked a lot no matter what. ThoseThings and Rarestone have some interesting poses to start as bases, but most pose sets I just find dull and unrealistic even as cheesecake or supposedly sexy.., I wish they would look at Victoria Secret catalogs, current fashion magazines or celebrity poses instead of old poses from the 1950’s. 

    As a retired professional photographer for 18 years, I wish more people would take a course on posing.   One of the BEST instructors there is on this topic is Bambi Cantrel.   Also, the late Monte Zucher was a pro at it.

    There are "rules" to good looking poses a lot of people don't recognize just looking at fasion pictures (like in Victoria's Secret ads).  As with any "rule", some get broken with good results, but on the most part they are called "rules" because they WORK.

    Here's some examples of posing rules used in photography:

    • for women, no back-of-the hand towards the viewer - always use the pinkie or thumb edge
    • for men, back of the hand is okay - it's masculine looking
    • the leg towards the camera should conceal the crotch area
    • for women, hip out to one side, shoulder that is closes the camera lower.
    • for men, shift the weight off one foot, but keep the hips parallel to the ground, shoulder towards the camera should up higher
    • use the arms to draw the viewer to the face

    Those are just a few, but the one I just dispise in many canned pose sets is the leg revealing the crotch.  Even fully clothed it doesn't look "sexy", but "solicitous".

  • That is interesting. Thanks for the wake-up call.

    Yes...

    Looking at a number of my freebie sets, it appears that people seem to unconsciously know those rules even though no-one does so conciously. The higher downloaded sets generally have advert images that comply with the rules, and the lower downloaded ones tend to break (or strain) 2 or more of those suggestions. Very strange that many people seem to be unconsciously judging against rules they don't even know exist. Hmm. There is a component of how useful the pose is to someone, but I have been at a loss to explain some of the popularity differences between poses that are otherwise pretty similar, and this may go to answer some of those discrepancies. The rest is probably simply down to me being pretty useless at the best of times.

    It is remarkable how, when you start, you have no idea how much you don't know, and as time goes on you being to grasp just HOW MUCH there is to learn. I shall have to think longer & harder about my advert images as well as the poses. Ho hum. Is nothing simple?

    Regards,

    Richard.

     

     

  • PixelSploiting said:

    The hip bone is the root bone of the skeleton. It should be left untouched by the pose because it serves as the origin the point of reference for moving the figure around. It shouldn't even need being touched whilst making the pose. The pelvis bone is the actual anatomical hip bone of the model.

    I am afraid that cannot agree with you on this. The pelvis has no X/Y/Z translation capability, and as a result is unable to accomodate the effects of a leg straightening during a walk. Without doing a Y Translation, as the leg straightens, the foot must disappear into the floor. The Y translation to lift the character up to prevent this happening then must come from either the overall character Y translation or the hip translation. And making the whole character bob up and down seems to me to be a worse solution than having the hip bone bob up and down during a walk cycle.

    Regards,

    Richard.

     

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    I think the miscellaneous practices for rotating the figure may also be related to the odd way DS is handling rotations.

    If you place a primitive on the scene, rotate -90 degrees on the X-axis, rotate Y and rotate Z are now rotating on the same axis, only opposite directions, ie the Y-axis followed the objects rotation around X but Z-axis didn't - At times drives me crazy...

  • Db3dDb3d Posts: 248

    PerttiA said:

    "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - B Gates

    Your tagline... I was in the auditorium when Bill Gates made that statement.  When Windows 2 came out, I was also there for that.   Bill said, something to the effect, "Microsoft will always support the floppy 5 1/4" floppy disk user."

    In many ways, Bill wasn't quite the visionary that many people think he was.   

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Db3d said:

    PerttiA said:

    "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - B Gates

    Your tagline... I was in the auditorium when Bill Gates made that statement.  When Windows 2 came out, I was also there for that.   Bill said, something to the effect, "Microsoft will always support the floppy 5 1/4" floppy disk user."

    In many ways, Bill wasn't quite the visionary that many people think he was.   

    And everybody has been claiming he didn't say it... laughyes

    Back in 1987, all the guys that had bought XT clones with max 640kb, were quoting Mr. Gates when I bought an AT clone with 1MB RAM.

  • Db3dDb3d Posts: 248

    PerttiA said:

    Db3d said:

    PerttiA said:

    "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - B Gates

    Your tagline... I was in the auditorium when Bill Gates made that statement.  When Windows 2 came out, I was also there for that.   Bill said, something to the effect, "Microsoft will always support the floppy 5 1/4" floppy disk user."

    In many ways, Bill wasn't quite the visionary that many people think he was.   

    And everybody has been claiming he didn't say it... laughyes

    Back in 1987, all the guys that had bought XT clones with max 640kb, were quoting Mr. Gates when I bought an AT clone with 1MB RAM.

    I was part of the microcomputer revolution back then.   I hung out at all the electronic swap meets where John Allen, Bill Gates, Mike Wozniac, Philipe Kahn and all those guys hung out.  It was funny to hear all the things people would say back then.  And, you've got to remember the closest thing to a "home computer" at first was the Altair 8080.  And, I was an engineering major at California State University Sacramento when all that was taking place.  Yup, I remember when guys were saying, "Why would you need more than 64K?   And, who could ever fill up a 5MB hard drive?"  And a 360MB hard drive was the size of a washing machine (and looked kind of like a washing machine.

    Now look, we're talking about posing 3D figures on PCs that have 128GB RAM, multiple processing cores and stuff that wasn't even a DREAM in the mid-70s.  Those were fun days and it's a kick to remenisc how far we have come with computers.  You young folk can't imagine what it was like programming an Altair 8080 by flipping those switches for so long your fingers got sore.  Then, your answer came out in the form of 16 of LEDs being on or off.Altair 8080

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,949

    Taoz said:

    Silent Winter said:

    Taoz said:

    richardandtracy said:

    And use a pose conversion script after applying a G8 pose to G3, no need to worry they're not making more G3.

    Is there a simple script for that like the one for G3 > G8?

    https://www.sharecg.com/v/89846/browse/8/Script/Daz3d-Pose-Converter-Standalone

    ^Free and does a good job converting poses between any Genesis generations. There are some poses that oddly don't work with it but the vast majority do.

    Thanks, already have that one though, was looking for one that doesn't create new presets but just converts the loaded pose like the other one does.  It's also "non-commercial use" only, the other one has an unrestricted license.  

    MCphylyss - the person who did the above script - wrote in the first comment to his product: "PS : Don't know anything about licenses. I just don't want that someone sells the script itself, but if that's up tom me, you can of course do whatever you want with your converted poses..." so the non-commercial shouldn't bother you (or anyone) who will just use it to transfer poses.

  • cclesuecclesue Posts: 420

    As for the story that certain poses can be used for "naughty" purposes remains me of the the story where a psycologist was giving a Rorschach test to determine the personality traits of a certin individual. After show a good number of ink-blots to the patient and listening the the man's descriptions of what they meant the doctor determined the subject had an preocupation with sex. To which the patient answered, angered "ME? You are the one with the dirty pictures!"

  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152

    There are some extraordinary pose sets by content makers sold here, and elsewhere.  Intricate, complicated poses that would take me hours, if not days, to figure out on my own.  I find a lot of pose sets really inspirational.

     

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