Missing PA Content

doubledeviant

I'm curious about this aspect of things:

If Daz Originals are products for which Daz has purchased ownership from PAs, wouldn't Daz retain the rights to selling the license to use those items? Removing them from the store after the departure of a PA seems foolish if so - those investments still have sales/earning potential.

And if Daz retains the rights, then presumably PAs can't sell those items elsewhere, and the products would become unavailable for purchase. That's a sad course of events in both artistic (disappearing works) and practical (inability to license for use) senses.

ChangelingChick

Cybersox said:

Daz Jack Tomalin said:

Cybersox said:

From the breadth of the recent Clearance sales, it's pretty clear that DAZ is in the process of a major purge of the catalog, so I expect that many of the PAs will be gone by the time it's over.         
 

That is not the point of those sales and no, no purge is planned.

Er... are you saying that these aren't really clearance sales and the verbiage about "last chance to purchase" on many of them isn't accurate?  Because I've been looking at what's been going through there and, if all that product will be removed from the store, there are more than few of PAs who will no longer have anything in the store.      

No, he was responding to your comment on PAs being gone by the time it's over. There is no purge of PA's incoming.  

amaragh22836920

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

mding

ShadowSkillz said:

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

Yes, but still it is good to know it's all still available. Thanks @ShadowSkillz . 

amaragh22836920

mding said:

ShadowSkillz said:

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

Yes, but still it is good to know it's all still available. Thanks @ShadowSkillz . 

Is that site safe to purchase from, don't like using my credit card on random sites? 

amaragh22836920

Thanks for that.

Greymom

I purchased some of Marcius' items from RH using PayPal over the last few days.   Have had no problems.

Paintbox

Renderhub is really good, no problem buying there. I put everything in its own folder so content stays seperate from DAZ and Renderosity.

Ragazzine

There are currently 144 Marcius items on renderhub, on sale. Using PayPal should protect your CC if you are concerned.

Hylas

Bummer that they're gone. And I'm soooooo glad that I got Bar while I still could. Marcius had a few nice characters but Bar is the only one where I would have been truly upset if she was gone for good before I could grab her. She currently isn't available at RH either.

Cybersox

Paintbox said:

Renderhub is really good, no problem buying there. I put everything in its own folder so content stays seperate from DAZ and Renderosity.

Yeah, Renderhub is a pretty good store and they've been getting a lot more of my business lately given that DAZ is sinking slowly down the 8.1 rabbithole and I'm still using studio 4.12.  You do have to be careful and watch the rights restrictions on Renderhub products though, as unlike DAZ they're definitely not all safe to use for all purposes.  

Mattymanx

ShadowSkillz said:

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

As much as this upsets you, you need to realize that there can be a number of reasons why a PA's store is taken down and regardless of reason, Daz3D never states why.  Its not an attempt to cover up but instead, it is just good business ethics to leave matters private, concerning their business partners, and all PA's here are business partners with Daz3D.

Jason Galterio

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

amaragh22836920

Mattymanx said:

ShadowSkillz said:

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

As much as this upsets you, you need to realize that there can be a number of reasons why a PA's store is taken down and regardless of reason, Daz3D never states why.  Its not an attempt to cover up but instead, it is just good business ethics to leave matters private, concerning their business partners, and all PA's here are business partners with Daz3D.

My statement had nothing to do with wanting to know personal business matters, it only focused on communicating to customers so they know whats coming and purchase accordingly. 

ChangelingChick

ShadowSkillz said:

Mattymanx said:

ShadowSkillz said:

Ok so now I am seeing his full content library on the other store, so if it is the  case that they are gone, then this situtation is poorly handled by Daz. There should be some period of warning to site users that a PA's store will be closing thereby giving customers time to purchase content before they are gone.

As much as this upsets you, you need to realize that there can be a number of reasons why a PA's store is taken down and regardless of reason, Daz3D never states why.  Its not an attempt to cover up but instead, it is just good business ethics to leave matters private, concerning their business partners, and all PA's here are business partners with Daz3D.

My statement had nothing to do with wanting to know personal business matters, it only focused on communicating to customers so they know whats coming and purchase accordingly. 

Because of the variance of reasons, there might not always be a warning.

ChangelingChick

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted.

Richard Haseltine

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

margrave

Richard Haseltine said:

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

I don't think that's even possible. You need to buy (or have bought) the product for the interactive license to even show up in your cart. 

Seven193

Paintbox said:

Renderhub is really good, no problem buying there. I put everything in its own folder so content stays seperate from DAZ and Renderosity.

I took a quick look, and the site says you can start selling your stuff in minutes. Which means the site has zero quality control, if nobody is reviewing what people are selling. Sounds great for artists who want absolute freedom, but not so great for buyers who take on all the risks.

ChangelingChick

Seven193 said:

Paintbox said:

Renderhub is really good, no problem buying there. I put everything in its own folder so content stays seperate from DAZ and Renderosity.

I took a quick look, and the site says you can start selling your stuff in minutes. Which means the site has zero quality control, if nobody is reviewing what people are selling. Sounds great for artists who want absolute freedom, but not so great for buyers who take on all the risks.

An excellent observation. 

Jason Galterio

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

ChangelingChick

Jason Galterio said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

Again: All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted. 

Jason Galterio

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

Again: All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted. 

Again, that really doesn't answer the question.

I don't want to pay for the rights to use something only to find out, after I used it, there is a problem with the agreement I signed with the vendor.

"Waiting to be contacted" also translates as "receive a cease and desist letter."

Ivy

PixelSploiting said:

 I hope it's going to stay available for re-downloads. I have some of those alien characters bought.

The 3 charactrs I have purchased are still avilable for download here is one of them

 

ChangelingChick

Jason Galterio said:

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

Again: All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted. 

Again, that really doesn't answer the question.

I don't want to pay for the rights to use something only to find out, after I used it, there is a problem with the agreement I signed with the vendor.

"Waiting to be contacted" also translates as "receive a cease and desist letter."

You can still use it. If there was an issue, when it's removed from the store, you would immediately be contacted. 

Jason Galterio

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

Again: All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted. 

Again, that really doesn't answer the question.

I don't want to pay for the rights to use something only to find out, after I used it, there is a problem with the agreement I signed with the vendor.

"Waiting to be contacted" also translates as "receive a cease and desist letter."

You can still use it. If there was an issue, when it's removed from the store, you would immediately be contacted. 

And therein lies my unanswered question...  Contacted and what? Told that the license is not valid? That I would get a refund? That I can continue to use it?

If the final product that the item is used in has already been released to the public, what then? Does it have to be updated and the item removed and the whole product redone?

The license agreement which I read makes no provision for something like this. That's why I am asking for an official answer.

ChangelingChick

Jason Galterio said:

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

ChangelingChick said:

Jason Galterio said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Jason Galterio said:

Queston: What happens if you have purchased an interactive licernse for a product leaves the DAZ shop? What happens if the product then appears in another shop?

You mean without having purchased the item itself? I'm not sure that there is a definitive answer to that, but the PA will have received the money so you might contact them at their new store to be sure they accept the validity of the license if you then purchase the product.

No.

My question is: if you buy the item and you buy the interactive license, then the item is removed from the store, what happens to the interactive license? Is it refunded? Is it null and void? Is it still enforceable?

This is a major concern if you purchase the license, use it in a product, then have the licenese pulled.

Again: All your purchases are still valid. If there is a rights issue (like the product violated IP or something), then you'd be contacted. 

Again, that really doesn't answer the question.

I don't want to pay for the rights to use something only to find out, after I used it, there is a problem with the agreement I signed with the vendor.

"Waiting to be contacted" also translates as "receive a cease and desist letter."

You can still use it. If there was an issue, when it's removed from the store, you would immediately be contacted. 

And therein lies my unanswered question...  Contacted and what? Told that the license is not valid? That I would get a refund? That I can continue to use it?

If the final product that the item is used in has already been released to the public, what then? Does it have to be updated and the item removed and the whole product redone?

The license agreement which I read makes no provision for something like this. That's why I am asking for an official answer.

If you want an "Official Answer" you need to file a ticket. The staff that are involved in IP/copyright are not in the forums. What I relayed is the answer that has been given by Daz previously when the question has come up in the past. The situation has never come up. What you buy in this store, you can use. 

Richard Haseltine

Please remember thata ccusations, if not backed up by a confession or court judgement, are not allowed on the forum - several posts have been removed.

I will add, to avoid starting any rumours, that no one was levelling accusations at Marcius.

Richard Haseltine

Since the question has been answered and the warning was ignored the thread is being locked.