$3000 Build - What can I do with this?
souravpadhi89
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Hi,
I am still learning 3D and not yet achieved the mastery level. But I have recently thrown $3000 bucks in the PC market to build a PC.
Now, please may I know what 3D work can i do with that build? I am not much into gaming. Just onegame World of Tanks or War Thunder.
| Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X |
| Motherboard | MSI MPG B550 |
| CPU Cooler | DeepCool GAMMAX L240 |
| RAM | Hyper X 16 x 2 3200 MHz |
| SSD | Verbatim 1 TB NVMe M.2 |
| HDD | Used WD 1 TB |
| PSU | Deepcool DQ850 Gold |
| GPU | Galax 3060 OC |
| Case | Deepcool Matrexx 70 |
| OS | Windows 10 Pro Lifetime |
| Monitor | MSI Optix G271 |
| Keyboard | ANT Esports Mk3200 |
| Mouse | RAZER Deathadder |
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...I would definitely go to a configuration that includes at least a 2 TB SSD (SATA of M.2) for your content library (rather than a used or refurbished HDD). a 500 GB M.2 NVME for your boot/application drive and maybe a 2 TB HDD for storage purposes (rendered scenes DIM download backup,, etc)
I'd also seriously consider a 4 TB external backup HDD to protect yourself in case of a failure, I lost years of work when my content and scene library drive crashed a few years ago. Still rebuilding characters I lost.
That all depends on what kind of scenes you want to render and whether you'll be using Iray or 3Delight. For Iray, 8 Gb of VRAM is fine if you're just starting out with Daz, but it doesn't give you a whole lot of breathing room if you decide to start making more complex scenes. If that's the system you're going with, I would plan on upgrading to an RTX 3080Ti later on down the road, which has 12 Gb VRAM, and you'll probably need to upgrade to 64Gb RAM.
For 3Delight, you want more CPU cores & an appropriate amount of system RAM. I don't use 3Delight much, so I can't really make any recommendations for that.
The 3060 (without TI) has 12GB's of VRAM
I have beginner knowledge on Blender and Autodesk Maya. Example: Make simple 3D props, export to DAZ and Texture them on DAZ. I use Iray only. Don't know if 3Delight is still used. I an planning to explore Unreal Engine too if possible. I would have definitely gone for the 3080s if the prices weren't so high. The used HDD i got for free from a friend. I was not at all interested in HDDs, but most of my freinds suggested me to have one HDD. And I am also getting a 2TB External WD HDD. I have my old 1060 with me. Can I use that too?
EDIT: And what is simple render vs complex render? Any example plz.
My gallery that i created using my simple i3 laptop: https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/user/5122151826849792#gallery=album8837716&page=1
...I was considering a 3060 once Nvidia drops Iray support for Maxwell as it roughly had the same specs as the Titan-X (which i have now) save for a faster processor, and memory as well as RT cores. I tend to create some fairly "ambitious" scenes and still haven't exceeded the card's VRAM. On the other hand I sometimes come close to hitting total system RAM (only have 24 GB and looking to see if I can tweak the BIOS and MB to accept 48GB).
64 GB would give plenty of overhead room for supporting 12 GB of VRAM (ideally you want 3x the VRAM in system RAM).
Yeah, my mistake. He should be fine with that then to start. No sense in going with a higher tier card if he's not into gaming much and just starting out with 3D rendering.
This is what i am planning to do. My current basic laptop has no GPU, its 6th gen i3.
...there are several of people here still using 3DL, many with the two items I posted the links to. the first attachment below is a scene I rendered in 3DL using the IBL Master which creates Gl (Global illumination) without the slow render times of UberEnvironment.
If you are already somewhat experienced with Iray then yes, stay with it. For rendering, VRAM is more important. High core counts help with render speed but if a scene is too big to fit in VRAM the process (as you likely have seen) will dump to the CPU.
The HDD would be OK as a storage drive but I wouldn't use it for your content library.
As to complex scenes, that refers to one with which has say a number of characters, a large set, and large number of props and different effects in it (see the second attachment below which as 7 characters, a mist like fog effect, wet surfaces, a fair number of transmaps, and a number of emissive light sources).
I will have mostly 4 genesis 3/8 characters at the max, then use instances to make crowd or multiple figures if needed. Like a battle scene.
I sort of agree on the storage comments above. With the implied capabilities of that system, then what you're starting out with is fine for a while, but since your motherboard has two M.2 NVMe capable slots I'd use one for the OS, user accounts, and installed applications, the other for fast data retrieval of application database files. One or two 2TB or 4TB SATA hard drives for duplicate or alternate automatic backups, and one or two 4TB or 6TB (or larger) external hard drives for permanent archival purposes. There's a rumor going 'round that for 3D work the amount of system RAM should be 3 times the amount of graphics card VRAM. I don't know why that should be so, but more memory always scratches an itch. That should suffice for another year then you could double the capacities of both hard drives when needed. But the graphics functionalities of your system as currently designed make a nice system.
The 3200MHz system RAM is a good speed. Faster than the standard RAM base of 2150?MHz. 3200MHz is a noticeable 20% increase over even the moderately overclocked 2666MHz. But to push it further, the cost goes up significantly for 3600MHz and you'd only get a modest 12.5% performance increase over 3200MHz if you could even find 3600MHz RAM with a clock latency of CL16 like the 3200MHz RAM has. Otherwise with the typical 3600MHz clock latency of CL18 would cut even further into your 12.5% benefit.
I'm not a fan of overclocking just for the sexual thrill of it, but running RAM at its rated speed without stressing or trying to exceed the CPU, RAM or motherboard's documented design capabilities is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
My Motherboard supports 3200Mhz RAM. Hence I got it. I see no benefit in getting a 3600 MHz one. I will definitely keep upgrading this PC. And nobody has answered my 2nd question yet.
Question; I have one GTX 1060 6 GB desktop GPU. Can I use it in my current build? Benefits and demerits plz.
I find the GFX card a bit below par; I also agree that there needs to be more storage.
I use a 500GB SSD for system stuff and a 4TB SSD for files, include Studio's. I use mechanical for some backups.
My opinion is it's a system that has compromises everywhere.
Better to only compromise in some places so you're not going to need to upgrade everything.
Do you need a mouse, keyboard and monitor? Especially, why are you buying a gaming monitor and only 1080p too. Re-use mouse you have, keyboard you have - hell monitor you have as I think that one is poor for your needs
I don't see why not, and whilst it looks to have lots of RAM (12?), I bet you're paying through the nose for it?
You are likely to find a 1440p monitor more useful than a 1080p, and i've been using them for years; the extra real-estate is great (2560x1440 v 1920x1080). I have 3 running of a very 980ti. I use a different card to render with.
Great Build depending if you like story telling or just more of a tech oriented person you can:
a) Learn to animate 3D short stories so you must learn blender realistically
b) Learn to make graphic novels with rendered stills and comic book layout software. In this case DAZ 3D and a comic book layout program is probably most useful to you.
c) Learn to model 3D. Blender is most useful to use.
Doesn't sound like much but actually getting good at it is much harder and more time consuming than learning to play sheet music with a musical instrument or most other hobbies really. Especially choice a)
...I currently am running a 240 GB SSD for the boot/application drive, a 2 TB SATA SSD for my content library and a 2 TB HDD (which used to be the content library drive) as a storage drive. I also have a 4 TB external backup with active cooling.
A 1060 is near the low end for Iray rendering but still useable of you don't get too ambitious. I had a 4GB 560Ti and about the most that would fit in VRAM is a single character in a rather "medium" setting with a couple lights or two characters in a fairly sparse setting with an HDRI environment.
I've also had files exceed 6 GB in VRAM that were not as complex as the railway station platform scene above, due to other factors like lights, reflectivity detailed textures and such. Textures often make up most of the memory load particularly if there are a lot of 4K ones.
Indeed instancing is a great way to save VRAM, couldn't do that on the railway station scene as each character was unique Another way to have crowds of more diverse looking characters for distance shots is to use the Now Crowd Billboards by RiverSoft Art which can be adjusted to the camera angle . They are in the Build Your Own Fastgrab offer and you can get up to 5 at a 70% discount which would be about 8.98$ each.
Because, here we get parts for gaming relatively easily. Very few people at my place are interested in VFX or rendering. So highend components are scarce. Also, I had to compromise because of high prices at my place. Every component is being sold at higher price right now. So had to manage with what is available under my budget. Regarding the monitor, 1440p is not available in stock right now. If I want it, then it will delay my order further. But, I have asked the builder if he can get me one instead of the 1080p.
Learning blender is definitely in my list. I dont know about animation yet because I am new and will be learning from scratch. But still renders and comic strips look interesting. What is a comic book software? Any example plz.
Ahh Nice, will check the Billboards. Riversoft Art is good production house.
So if I use both my new 3060 and old 1060, then I will get 12 + 6 = 18 GB VRAM? OH yes now How do I connect my one Monitor to both the cards? Any idea? Do I need additional cables?
No, the only benefit is, when you render a small enough scene that it fits also on the smaller card's VRAM, the both cards are used to process the render and it gets finished faster.
You connect your monitor to one card only.
Personally I don't see much benefit in adding the smaller card as it uses resources and increases the possibility of conflicts - It's like installing a lots of trial versions and freebee applications into your system, at some point they start fighting each others and the regular applications.
...indeed, I'd use the older card to drive the displays and the 3060 exclusively for rendering.
Ahh brilliant idea, I wish I use my brain to think instead of using my kidney.
But now, a thought came to me. If I connect my Monitor to the 1060, then will it impact my gaming performance?
Thanks for the explanation.
..well I emagine games will run on whatever is connected to the displays so I would say yes. Someone correct me if I am wrong as I am not a gamer.
Hmm, let me ask Linus Tech Tips
To answer the question "...please may I know what 3D work can i do with that build?". I don't see anything that you can't do. All DAZ's products could live happily in it and your gallery images created with your laptop already look amazing. This new rig (especially with the 12GB RTX-3060 OC graphics card) is heads & shoulders above that. Instant art, just add imagination.
Animation with this rig should be quite zippy.
Take a look at this site. OriginPC. I've bought several from them and have never had a problem with them even after 6 years, and it's all name brand products. I've never had to replace a piece of broken hardware, only upgraded parts. You pick what you want. You can build a pretty big laptop or desktop for $3000.
Thanks for the suggestion. But I am in India.
Thank you! Motivating lines :) I am happy with my choices now.
But a question: what does last line mean?
To answer your gaming question: The card the is physicaly connected to the screen will be used for all of your gaming taskes. (Second identcal cards is a dual mode like SLI or NVLink will still contribute to gaming performance)
If you are also a gamer, use the RTX card to drive the display.
Not a great gamer, but will definitely play one of these games: World of Tanks or War Thunder and may be some CoD and Battlefield.
"Animation should be quite zippy" Translation: Rendering numerous frames of images will be quick.