Bonnie 8.1 Bundles

JOdel

I will have to say that the recent launching of all the bundles at once, including the mega bundle is a step forward. It was very annoying to have the character launch one day and then have to wait to see whether or not another bundle with some of the missing pieces from the promos in the original bundle were in a different one. And whether they would release that second bundle the followwing day, or the following week, or not at all.

Being able to see the whole collection at once and make up ones mind as to how much of it is likely to be useful is a lot more considerate.

caravelle

JOdel said:

I will have to say that the recent launching of all the bundles at once, including the mega bundle is a step forward. It was very annoying to have the character lunch one day and then have to wait to see whether or not another bundle with some of the missing pieces from the promos in the original bundle were in a different one. And whether they would release that second bundle the followwing day, or the following week, or not at all.

Being able to see the whole collection at once and make up ones mind as to how much of it is likely to be useful is a lot more considerate.

+1! 

jimmyzpop

I like the diversity that Daz is including in there gene pool over their last few releases. I bought Bonnie and she is a quality character with solid morphs and textures.  

outrider42

Gordig said:

outrider42 said:

3D Vitality said:

Oh my ....  there's so much diversity out in the world, and we get here a polished-up Topsy 8 character (which we get around last xmas)....  I'll never understand that.

I know, I know, there are many, many other repeating artists out there (example: iSourceTextures). This doesn't make it better.

I fail to see it. Like at all. They are both females of smaller stature, this much is certain. But not a single person mentioned Downs with Topsey, and Topsey is basically a toon. Nothing about Bonnie is toonish. And besides that, there are a million and one super models in this store who could be twins, we have two smaller woman that might look *very mildly* similar and this is what bothers you? Really?

Honestly, I don't even agree that Topsy is a toon, but you're absolutely right about the rest of it.

While I think Bonnie is interesting, I do wish they had gone all in on the 1920s theme with a silent movie starlet with a signature bob hair. 

That sounds a little contradictory to the rest of your post. Wouldn't this theme make us more likely to get another Victioria-like?

One can like Bonnie but still wish for a true 1920s style character. There is nothing contradictory about it. And Topsey has toonish eyes and nose. That is not normal. A more realistic skin does not change that.

Additionally the 1920s flapper was nothing like Victoria at all. I'm sure there are some characters that can be fit into this mold, but I don't know if Daz actually has anyone that truly defines the look of that era. It was not unusual for women to intentionally flatten themselves, and several of the big stars of the day were naturally quite lacking there (to put it mildly). This single aspect alone is about as anti-Daz Victoria as you can possibly get! But beyond that these ladies had body shapes that were completely different than "standards" are today. Hell, I'd say in this respect the 1920s were more fair towards women's bodies than the 2020s. I don't know how many stars from that time would make it today. They'd probably be told to lose some weight and get a boob job to get more roles.

Mr Bowen

Oh...and I picked up the Darcy Starter Bundle for $1 beause of the bundle. I really like the jeans in the Starter Bundle with the Cowgirl Sci-Fi outfit, as seen in Capsces Digital Ink's CDI Poses for Genesis 8 Female and Honni 8. I am starting to like the Sleuth outfit a bit more after seeing more renders on the product pages. So, I can't complain about this deal. Pretty darn good as far as I am concerned. There are a lot of items that are just what I wanted for some ideas I am working on. The detective room really has a lot of nice props and accessories, in particular. Thank you for the awesome deal, Daz. Oh, and the low priced Albert Mansion product is awesome, too.

MimicMolly

Bonnie and Brooke have been the only G8.1Fs so far that have interested me sole because of their shapes. (Though Jada and Jinx are both really pretty, and I feel that Catty might add something too, kinda like White Priestess.) However, none of the offers so far have justified me just getting the base characters. But I got lucky with White Priestess that one time. I also really did want proper 1920s, not mid-20th century.

As I tried to say before, Bonnie seems like she'd be really great in mixing with other shapes in various amounts.

The Blurst of Times

Well, I got the Mega bundle under $50 with the orange banner and the $15 off (from buying that other bundle a couple days ago).

I do like the body shape. There's a little more pleasing symmetry that Brooke doesn't have? Something about the body shape looks nicer than Brooke's. The bundles do nothing for me, but the body shape immediately caught my eye as interesting.

I'm rather cynical about product descriptions (especially changing ones), but I suppose that topic is off-limits.

Petra

Ascania said:

Petra said:

 

My first Render with Bonnie 8.1 and I think she is an absolute doll.

Did you do something with her skin? Body and face texture in your render seem to work much better together than in the promo images.

I did not do anything to the skin in DS must mixing and matching lights from Colm Jackson.

 

Petra

tsroemi said:

Ascania said:

Petra said:

My first Render with Bonnie 8.1 and I think she is an absolute doll.

Did you do something with her skin? Body and face texture in your render seem to work much better together than in the promo images.

Would also like to know this. Also also, please stop posting such lovely renders of her, I'm desperately trying to convince myself that I DON't want her ...

Edit: Too late, bought the Vintage Sleuth Bundle already ... oh my .... Anyway, would still like to know how to make her skin look so good!

It must be the lights that I have been using. I mixed and matched lights from Colm Jackson.

Charlie Judge

The Blurst of Times said:

Well, I got the Mega bundle under $50 with the orange banner and the $15 off (from buying that other bundle a couple days ago).

I do like the body shape. There's a little more pleasing symmetry that Brooke doesn't have? Something about the body shape looks nicer than Brooke's. The bundles do nothing for me, but the body shape immediately caught my eye as interesting.

I'm rather cynical about product descriptions (especially changing ones), but I suppose that topic is off-limits.

The orange banners for discounts on the Bonnie 8.1 Bundles have disappeared already. 

The Blurst of Times

Charlie Judge said:

The Blurst of Times said:

Well, I got the Mega bundle under $50 with the orange banner and the $15 off (from buying that other bundle a couple days ago).

I do like the body shape. There's a little more pleasing symmetry that Brooke doesn't have? Something about the body shape looks nicer than Brooke's. The bundles do nothing for me, but the body shape immediately caught my eye as interesting.

I'm rather cynical about product descriptions (especially changing ones), but I suppose that topic is off-limits.

The orange banners for discounts on the Bonnie 8.1 Bundles have disappeared already. 

Ha! I must have just gotten it in, then.
The Orange Banner message also disappeared from my inbox.

Now replaced by this "Save with Our New Partnership" banner.

PerttiA

Petra said:

My first Render with Bonnie 8.1 and I think she is an absolute doll.

She definitely deserves her place amongst the top ten G8F/G8.1F characters.

tsroemi

Petra said:

tsroemi said:

Ascania said:

Petra said:

My first Render with Bonnie 8.1 and I think she is an absolute doll.

Did you do something with her skin? Body and face texture in your render seem to work much better together than in the promo images.

Would also like to know this. Also also, please stop posting such lovely renders of her, I'm desperately trying to convince myself that I DON't want her ...

Edit: Too late, bought the Vintage Sleuth Bundle already ... oh my .... Anyway, would still like to know how to make her skin look so good!

It must be the lights that I have been using. I mixed and matched lights from Colm Jackson.

Great, I have some of his lights, too. Thanks for letting us know! 

Richard Haseltine

Charlie Judge said:

The Blurst of Times said:

Well, I got the Mega bundle under $50 with the orange banner and the $15 off (from buying that other bundle a couple days ago).

I do like the body shape. There's a little more pleasing symmetry that Brooke doesn't have? Something about the body shape looks nicer than Brooke's. The bundles do nothing for me, but the body shape immediately caught my eye as interesting.

I'm rather cynical about product descriptions (especially changing ones), but I suppose that topic is off-limits.

The orange banners for discounts on the Bonnie 8.1 Bundles have disappeared already. 

I'm afraid this is the intended behaviour, with all the different stacking sales during this month.

Wonderland

Yeah, I had the mega bundle in my cart thinking I might get it today and there was no date on the orange banner. Oh well, I can wait. It will be a lot cheaper in a few months and I own all the supposed “freebies.” Not a fan of Bonnie but did like most of the bundle. Not into the new shaders for G8.1 at all actually. But cool to see some 20’s content.

AllenArt

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

nonesuch00

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

Cris Palomino

nonesuch00 said:

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

Life Goes On was the first television series in the states to have a main character with down syndrome (Corky). The series was wonderful and really presented Down Syndrome with sensitivity and understanding. Corky was splendidly portrayed by actor, Chris Burke.

PerttiA

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

If someone hadn't asked about it and the promopage changed after the fact, I wouldn't even seen her as such.

Ok, the slant of the eyes combined with the eylids does create a mild effect, but if one removes the slant, the buldging eyelids are actually something I have been looking for (instead of drooping  and or baggy ones) 

Richard Haseltine

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

It's a difficult balance to strike. Not having characters with disabilities means they will be totally unrepresented, but a bad representation may be worse than none. I know Daz did consult with the community in developing the character, it wasn't done in isolation, and I think the initial lack of any mention on the product page was in a desire not to make an tokenistic thing of it. I certainly don't believe there was any kind of exploitative intent, but of course you have to form your own judgement of the outcome.

AllenArt

nonesuch00 said:

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

I am definitely old enough and no, I never watched any of them, though I was aware of them. I don't have as much of an issue with deafness, blindness or the like. It's developmental disabilities that bother me more than the others because of consent of the disabled person. I'm never sure if they really understand what they're getting into, if that makes sense.  My husband had a brother with Downs Syndrome (who died in childhood) and maybe I'm just ultra-sensitive compared to the general pop ;) That by no means doesn't mean I think a character like Bonnie shouldn't happen, it's just the reason why I personally would never buy or use a character like that.

 

ALLIEKATBLUE

I think she's adorable. When I first saw her I thought she might have Down Syndrome.  If this was the intent then well done.

lou_harper

Cybersox said:

maikdecker said:

Too bad that it's G8.1F, which I don't want to jump to within the next 10 or so years, as there's even too many G3 and G8 figures in my wishlist still...

No kidding.  I could make a render with a different character every day for years just with the G3/G8 characters already in my library and never repeat... and that's before I start spinning morph dials.  Thus far I've seen very little in 8.1 that has impressed me at all, and given that the G8s were only a tiny bit more "advanced" than G3, 8.1 really feels like DAZ is trying to use the auto industry model, slapping on new paint and headlights just for the sake of something "new" to advertise.

Torment is great, but I wish he was 8 instead of 8.1.

WendyLuvsCatz

I refrained from posting that she reminded me heavily of AS Alice because in retrospect I realised the real person  Alice is based on may have a chromosome disorder based on the input from a person who knows of her history.

This was before the description was updated.

We don't always know what the creators are trying to portray with 3D sculpts and through no fault of our own pass judgment on 3D characters, we would never say such stuff about real people because they are not sculpted mesh they are valid human beings.

My judgments on Alice for example were on a 3D character mesh not on a person and upon being informed she is based on a real person view her somewhat differently though I still question the sexualisation of the creator's daughter in the 3D world but that's a different matter. 

DisparateDreamer

I've been pushind for including a down syndrome character for a while, because often it means a LOT to people to see themselves represented. I used to baby sit for a girl with down syndrome, and I thought she was the most beautiful, open hearted darling I've ever been with. She was TOUGh too. This kid went through lots of physical therapy to overcome some of the weaknesses that often come hand in hand with down syndrome. She'd get sad or mad sometimes but was so genuine with her emotions. ONe thing that always stayed with me, she always wanted to know when there was going to be a disney princess like her.  She wanted to see herself out there. Obviously, she was still young and not representative every every person with down syndrome, but that is why it matters, i think.  I am pretty darn sure Daz didn't say "i bet this will be a great seller!" but rather, "who needs to be SEEN?" 

And there are a lot in line.

markgoode77

ALLIEKATBLUE said:

I think she's adorable. When I first saw her I thought she might have Down Syndrome.  If this was the intent then well done.

+1 

jjmainor

AllenArt said:

nonesuch00 said:

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

I am definitely old enough and no, I never watched any of them, though I was aware of them. I don't have as much of an issue with deafness, blindness or the like. It's developmental disabilities that bother me more than the others because of consent of the disabled person. I'm never sure if they really understand what they're getting into, if that makes sense.  My husband had a brother with Downs Syndrome (who died in childhood) and maybe I'm just ultra-sensitive compared to the general pop ;) That by no means doesn't mean I think a character like Bonnie shouldn't happen, it's just the reason why I personally would never buy or use a character like that.

 

When I was in school in the 80s and early 90s, children with Downs' were assigned to special ed and were still segregated from the rest of the students.  We'd see them at lunch time or when they were heading to gym class, but the "normal" kids never mixed and they were never included with the rest of the student body.  We would quietly look down on them and laugh at them and feel better about ourselves because we weren't them...because the attitude was still that they would never be anything, that they could never be more than that "retard" who would burden their family for the rest of their lives.

Things changed right after I finished school.  There was a shift to integrate special ed into regular classrooms.  Pesonally, I was skeptical.  After all, my genereation was raised to think they were disabled and couldn't succeed.  But now we're a generation into desegregation, and we're seeing these children are able.  They are capable if given a chance.  They aren't any more "retarded" than the rest of us if given the same education.  Sure, they need some accomodation, but so didn't blind or deaf children when we stopped thinking of them as idiots.  I think these individuals understand a lot more than we give them credit for, and I think in another generation or so, we'll stop thinking of them as "disabled," and see them as "different."

nonesuch00

AllenArt said:

nonesuch00 said:

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

I am definitely old enough and no, I never watched any of them, though I was aware of them. I don't have as much of an issue with deafness, blindness or the like. It's developmental disabilities that bother me more than the others because of consent of the disabled person. I'm never sure if they really understand what they're getting into, if that makes sense.  My husband had a brother with Downs Syndrome (who died in childhood) and maybe I'm just ultra-sensitive compared to the general pop ;) That by no means doesn't mean I think a character like Bonnie shouldn't happen, it's just the reason why I personally would never buy or use a character like that.

I understand. I have kin with autism and an uncle that had a 'undiagnosed form of retardation' according to the available medical knowledge at the time and he used to scare the bejeebers out of people because of his sheer size and childlike demeanor and it's true some people purposely caused him lots of trouble, so if you know someone that it's needed to be protective, but he was essentially a harmless perpetual 10 year old. 

nonesuch00

Cris Palomino said:

nonesuch00 said:

AllenArt said:

shg0816_13461e8196 said:

I do like that they are listening to the customers and not always cranking out pin-ups, but real people with different diverse attributes

I'm all for diversity, but I personally feel the need to draw the line at people with disabilities. It just feels too "exploitative" to me. But that is just me and my opinion alone. If others like it, more power to 'em ;). 

I am curious if you are old enough and actually watched those shows in the 80s and early 90s that had disabled characters as regulars and no one of those "one off preachy" episodes like they usually do. One was "Facts of Life" which I think had a deaf student and a student with cerebral palsy, both. Then there was a whole series based on the main character, an older teen or young man named Corky, who had Downs Syndrome. I thought they were well done and not exploitive, however I only watched a couple of episodes so really can't say for sure.

Life Goes On was the first television series in the states to have a main character with down syndrome (Corky). The series was wonderful and really presented Down Syndrome with sensitivity and understanding. Corky was splendidly portrayed by actor, Chris Burke.

Thanks. I have looked it up on Amazon. I think I will give it a watch. 

Cerrag

Just picked it up and it's a Great bundle!  Has a good discount by adding in some of the bundle extras too.  :)