EJ Face Morphs gone from the store?

Noah LGP

melissastjames said:

Noah LGP said:

melissastjames said:

I have tons of stuff on my Amazon wishlist that is no longer available. Snooze ya loose, I say. I'm not faulting Amazon, or the seller...only my lack of foresight and/or funds for not purchasing when I had the chance. That's the risk you take.  

 

Amazon tells when the stock is low and how many items are left.

Not necessarily with 3rd party sellers...and you never know when and if more stock will be back...I run into this all the time with shoes and handbags.  

Daz don't even do that for their Daz Originals

wolf359

akmerlow said:

What i mean. Is you do not visit "markeptlace itself". You go there to specific vendor.

Just like visiting town center for that certain shop and never going to 12 others on same street.

 

I agree completely.

People are free to have their own opinons about
about thier preferences for  where they buy 3D content
for DS/Poser

If you only feel comfortable buying 3D models from certain 
online storefronts .. good for you

However lets not imply that every creative person who chooses 
to bypass the Daz/Rosity store front is doing so 
because they have some plan to engage in shady activities

Patreon is not a traditional "retail" model
But is a great alternative way for content creators
in other areas not directly related to Daz/Poser/3D models,
to be directly supported by those who wish to
without going through some "brokerage"

Particularly Youtube Creators whoms "content" is the 
production quality & entertainment value of thier broadcasts.

It also gives content creators the freedom to cater to any particular audience they wish without having to ahere to some arbitrary standards set by some gatekeeper at a tradition online brokerage. 

WinterMoon

Aww, crap.  E&J had so many lovely hairs in their store here. I don't shop on Art Station, and this is the first time I've ever heard about Gumroad, but I guess I'll have to check them out there.

Jason Galterio

melissastjames said:

Jason Galterio said:

melissastjames said:

Noah LGP said:

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

They aren't removed, though. Anything that has been purchased can still be re-downloaded from your account page if needed. It's not like when HW as a storefront went down and you had to back up all of your purchases or risk losing them forever. 

Except they probably won't be updated and support will be even harder to come by.

So even if they were to give, say, a week's notice...would that really even make a lick of difference for products that were published 6/12/24/36/48 months ago? There likely wouldn't be any updates to speak of anyways and do people actually want/need support on old products? 

 With the number of errors in archives recently, a lot. I have tickets that have been open / untouched for months now. Some of which are on EJ products.

And you are missing my point...  but nevermind.

Sevrin

Jason Galterio said:

 With the number of errors in archives recently, a lot. I have tickets that have been open / untouched for months now. Some of which are on EJ products.

And you are missing my point...  but nevermind.

If you follow the Gumroad link posted above, you'll find a number of options for contacting E&J for support. 

daveso

FSMCDesigns said:

Noah LGP said:

It's always the same problem, there is no warning, a big insult toward the customers who support them all these years.

"You want my products ? Rot in hell !"

 

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

I see no reason of spending hundreds dollar for people who doesn't care.

I work in retail management and have never understood this concept. I have a hard time trying to fathom that there might be customers that come into my store and want more from me and my staff other than quality products for a good price, also customer service if the product isn't to their liking or wrong. For me as a customer, all I care about is a working product at a fair price. I look at any business as a business, they offer a product, I give them money, it's why both of us exist as vendor and consumer. I actually know so many other people that work in our stores, I avoid shopping there when I need something to avoid the interactions when I just want to get in and out.

DAZ used to be a community, not just a business. 

Taoz

melissastjames said:

Jason Galterio said:

melissastjames said:

Noah LGP said:

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

They aren't removed, though. Anything that has been purchased can still be re-downloaded from your account page if needed. It's not like when HW as a storefront went down and you had to back up all of your purchases or risk losing them forever. 

Except they probably won't be updated and support will be even harder to come by.

So even if they were to give, say, a week's notice...would that really even make a lick of difference for products that were published 6/12/24/36/48 months ago? There likely wouldn't be any updates to speak of anyways and do people actually want/need support on old products?

I have a lot of older (months or years) products I've never used but do want to use, often when I try one of these for the first time I find it defective.  Of course, you can test everything you purchase immediately but then there would be many here (including me) who would hardly have time for anything else, given the amount they are purchasing.   

FSMCDesigns

daveso-confused said:

FSMCDesigns said:

Noah LGP said:

It's always the same problem, there is no warning, a big insult toward the customers who support them all these years.

"You want my products ? Rot in hell !"

 

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

I see no reason of spending hundreds dollar for people who doesn't care.

I work in retail management and have never understood this concept. I have a hard time trying to fathom that there might be customers that come into my store and want more from me and my staff other than quality products for a good price, also customer service if the product isn't to their liking or wrong. For me as a customer, all I care about is a working product at a fair price. I look at any business as a business, they offer a product, I give them money, it's why both of us exist as vendor and consumer. I actually know so many other people that work in our stores, I avoid shopping there when I need something to avoid the interactions when I just want to get in and out.

DAZ used to be a community, not just a business. 

Funny, I always saw it as both. Store for business and forums for community

Noah LGP

Once again , it's an invitation to use Google (Lost and found), it's counterproductive.

MelissaGT

Taoz said:

melissastjames said:

Jason Galterio said:

melissastjames said:

Noah LGP said:

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

They aren't removed, though. Anything that has been purchased can still be re-downloaded from your account page if needed. It's not like when HW as a storefront went down and you had to back up all of your purchases or risk losing them forever. 

Except they probably won't be updated and support will be even harder to come by.

So even if they were to give, say, a week's notice...would that really even make a lick of difference for products that were published 6/12/24/36/48 months ago? There likely wouldn't be any updates to speak of anyways and do people actually want/need support on old products?

I have a lot of older (months or years) products I've never used but do want to use, often when I try one of these for the first time I find it defective.  Of course, you can test everything you purchase immediately but then there would be many here (including me) who would hardly have time for anything else, given the amount they are purchasing.   

Yeah...I just installed about four months worth of purchases all in one go because I'd been too lazy to do it. But if one of those products is defective, that's on me for not figuring that out sooner, especially given it's now past the 30-day refund period. 

I know it's not a good answer, but I've honestly given up on waiting for things archived incorrectly to get fixed. I fix them myself. I'd say at this point at least a third of the stuff I buy suffers from funky archiving. I just bought one of Luthbel's newer sets and was it archived in People-Genesis 8 Male-Clothing like all my other Luthbel stuff? Nope. Of course not. I just said 'screw it' and moved it. 

daveso

FSMCDesigns said:

daveso-confused said:

FSMCDesigns said:

Noah LGP said:

It's always the same problem, there is no warning, a big insult toward the customers who support them all these years.

"You want my products ? Rot in hell !"

 

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

I see no reason of spending hundreds dollar for people who doesn't care.

I work in retail management and have never understood this concept. I have a hard time trying to fathom that there might be customers that come into my store and want more from me and my staff other than quality products for a good price, also customer service if the product isn't to their liking or wrong. For me as a customer, all I care about is a working product at a fair price. I look at any business as a business, they offer a product, I give them money, it's why both of us exist as vendor and consumer. I actually know so many other people that work in our stores, I avoid shopping there when I need something to avoid the interactions when I just want to get in and out.

DAZ used to be a community, not just a business. 

Funny, I always saw it as both. Store for business and forums for community

the forums now are nothing to what they were in the past as far as community goes.  Sorry, but thats true..if anyone remembers, Dan Farr, Chriss creek, the PAs when that started were on her talking all the time with a lot of community input. The forums were much more open in general than now and moderation was pretty much limited, if at all. I suppose part of it was that the numbers of people were much less as well. It was a very young business, and hobby at the time.  

Panzer Emerald

ITT: Boomers who are afraid of new ways of doing business smdh 

Good for them on moving to Gumroad. I'd imagine it also now allows them a lot more creative freedom, which imho can only lead to good things 

Daz Jack Tomalin

daveso-confused said:

FSMCDesigns said:

daveso-confused said:

FSMCDesigns said:

Noah LGP said:

It's always the same problem, there is no warning, a big insult toward the customers who support them all these years.

"You want my products ? Rot in hell !"

 

What is difficult to give a week to the customers to get the products before they are removed ?

I see no reason of spending hundreds dollar for people who doesn't care.

I work in retail management and have never understood this concept. I have a hard time trying to fathom that there might be customers that come into my store and want more from me and my staff other than quality products for a good price, also customer service if the product isn't to their liking or wrong. For me as a customer, all I care about is a working product at a fair price. I look at any business as a business, they offer a product, I give them money, it's why both of us exist as vendor and consumer. I actually know so many other people that work in our stores, I avoid shopping there when I need something to avoid the interactions when I just want to get in and out.

DAZ used to be a community, not just a business. 

Funny, I always saw it as both. Store for business and forums for community

the forums now are nothing to what they were in the past as far as community goes.  Sorry, but thats true..if anyone remembers, Dan Farr, Chriss creek, the PAs when that started were on her talking all the time with a lot of community input. The forums were much more open in general than now and moderation was pretty much limited, if at all. I suppose part of it was that the numbers of people were much less as well. It was a very young business, and hobby at the time.  

I'm not looking to get into a huge debate, but everything online, including forums.. are differnet to how they were 20 years.. not just this one.  Attitudes, everything.. are differnet these days. I'm not going to say which is better/worse.. just that everything is different - it was newer back then too.

Imago

Panzer Emerald said:

ITT: Boomers who are afraid of new ways of doing business smdh 

Good for them on moving to Gumroad. I'd imagine it also now allows them a lot more creative freedom, which imho can only lead to good things 

It's not about Boomers but about site's reliability. Gumroad is good for artists but I think could be less good for buyers. How the purchases are stored there? They give you an archive of past orders and receipts? What about products that gets removed from stores, they will be still downloadable after removal? There's a single and comprehensive licensing about what are you buying?

If these concernes makes me a Boomer... Well, I'm a Boomer then.

Fauvist

The DAZ store sold a model of the art-deco district of Miami Beach.  The first day it showed up in the store I instantly bought it, which I do with content I know I can't live without.  That Miami Beach model disappeared from the store THE NEXT DAY. 

nonesuch00

I liked E&J's products. Sorry they left. Nothing against the other sales sites but the DAZ site is all my wallet can handle anyway.  Sometimes I buy from Renderosity or BlenderMarket but that's it.

It's really a problem, THE problem, to get your product in front of the face of prospective buyers. I don't need to say any more in regards to that dynamic. It's evident in the number of failed businesses that didn't. If you're not on one of the DAZ/Unity/Epic sites your product needs some very outstanding qualities, qualities much better than the competition's, that give it great word of mouth sales besides actually having demand to generate the word of mouth vs impulse buying. Impulse buying and demand based buying are two completely different dynamics. It's tough out there! Keep your day jobs.