Wrong Snake

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited February 2015

    [quote ]
    "The python has, and I fib no fibs,
    Three Hundred eighteen pairs of ribs..."

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    I got unsubscribed again somehow, but people are correct, the tongue is split and actually has several bones in it that are split down the fork (as well as pose controls to help move them).

    The fangs do not. They are a separate conformer so that they can be used only with the reticulated python for people who care about correct species anatomy. (It drove me crazy that the old python had permanent teeth when only a few species of constrictor have any.)

    There is no provision for viper fangs, and would not be with the current setup because vipers have exactly two, and I want to rig them to unfold automatically as the mouth opens when I do the viper set. This is selling well enough that a viper will probably happen, although I haven't decided yet whether as an add-on with the fangs as another conformer or as a completely separate rig.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 1969

    I got unsubscribed again somehow, but people are correct, the tongue is split and actually has several bones in it that are split down the fork (as well as pose controls to help move them).
    Thanks everyone for the answers. I know it can be extremely difficult to get all that 3D stuff into a single 2D promo pic without it just being confusing.
    The fangs do not. They are a separate conformer so that they can be used only with the reticulated python for people who care about correct species anatomy. (It drove me crazy that the old python had permanent teeth when only a few species of constrictor have any.) There is no provision for viper fangs, and would not be with the current setup because vipers have exactly two, and I want to rig them to unfold automatically as the mouth opens when I do the viper set. This is selling well enough that a viper will probably happen, although I haven't decided yet whether as an add-on with the fangs as another conformer or as a completely separate rig.

    As a note, from watching many Attenborough documentaries, at least a few snakes appear to 'Walk' with there fangs and jaws when eating. So that automatic teeth bit may be more complex then need be (cautious thinking).
  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    Beautiful snake with a much better shaped head than the poor old morphing python.

    I've bought him, but I'll wait to download and install until after the update and renamed morph are live. I may download the templates and see how much work it might be to try to get the old python's skins to match up. There were some nice ones for that snake.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2015

    JOdel said:
    Beautiful snake with a much better shaped head than the poor old morphing python.

    I've bought him, but I'll wait to download and install until after the update and renamed morph are live. I may download the templates and see how much work it might be to try to get the old python's skins to match up. There were some nice ones for that snake.


    With any luck, it will not be as difficult as turning ArchaeopteryxDR into a 'Microraptor'. Especially if it is just colors and size.

    ArchaeopteryxDR and 'Microraptor' have completely different tail shapes.

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    At a first glance it doesn't look too bad. The head shape is different, and the body tapers differently. But it looks like something that could be done in Photoshop readily enough. Particularly if one wasn't going to be getting in closely enough to have the seams be glaringly obvious.

    The worst of it is that the eyes are positioned differently. I'm not particularly experienced in texture work (mostly have dealt with shaders), so I'm not sure what I've actually got.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    The templates are nothing alike, I'm afraid. I found the old UV to be unworkable with the texture sizes I wanted to make. I asked Ignis Serpentis if she would like to texture it initially because her textures for Cold Blooded were so nice, but she was too busy (something I can sympathize with); it definitely is not out of any lack of respect for her work with the old python.

    You can stretch the mouth on this guy, which is impossible with the old python; that's about the best I could do. "Walking" the teeth can't happen with current tech and my current mastery of it. I don't see that as a problem anyway, though; when it's happening you can't see the teeth (they're stuck into the prey). All you see from outside is the snake working its head around what's in its mouth. For that matter, vipers don't even do that; their fangs are used for injecting venom, not for pulling prey into the mouth as the reticulated python does. I haven't been able to find information on the behavior of elapids in this regard, but they tend to have short, fixed fangs and "chew" venom into their prey, so I guess it's possible that they do it.

    Apparently jaw length and strike speed are directly related - vipers actually need that head shape to strike fast with their unfolding fangs, colubrids have longer noses and a slower strike from fangs in the back of the jaw, and elapids are in between with a mid-length jaw and fixed front fangs. I've never been able to have a snake due to living circumstances, but I love them; they're so beautiful and fascinating.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    At a first glance it doesn't look too bad. The head shape is different, and the body tapers differently. But it looks like something that could be done in Photoshop readily enough. Particularly if one wasn't going to be getting in closely enough to have the seams be glaringly obvious.

    The worst of it is that the eyes are positioned differently. I'm not particularly experienced in texture work (mostly have dealt with shaders), so I'm not sure what I've actually got.

    There are three templates: the outer body and head (syconstrictor_diff1.jpg is one of these), the digestive lining and mouth (syconstrictor_diff2.jpg), and the eyes (syconstrictor_eyes1.jpg). The fact that I wanted more eye detail was one of the reasons I went with a different setup because it's such an important way of distinguishing species (the anaconda's pupils are shaped like bow ties!).

  • Three WishesThree Wishes Posts: 471
    edited December 1969

    Wait...there's such a thing as a "right snake?" *shudder*

    Just kidding! Snakes don't bother me that much, and I've been accidentally close to a few dangerous ones in my day.

    Big spiders, on the other hand...I WILL burn the house down. And, if I think it'll buy me five minutes of escape time, the neighbors' houses as well.

    This is awfully nice work :-)

    -- dan

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 1969

    ya, to be honest. Spiders and snakes do creep me out a bit. Especially when the eight legged fella is on the ceiling exactly over my head when I notice her/him.

    Then there is that moment when I realize, there more scarred of me then I was startled by them. come on, get in the empty glass so I can put you outside to help keep the stray cat flee population down.

    Around here it's mostly Garter Snakes. Again, after the initial wow something is there moment, there just incredible to watch, at a distance safe enough to not become a bite target.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,

    dhtapp said:
    Wait...there's such a thing as a "right snake?" *shudder*

    Just kidding! Snakes don't bother me that much, and I've been accidentally close to a few dangerous ones in my day.

    Big spiders, on the other hand...I WILL burn the house down. And, if I think it'll buy me five minutes of escape time, the neighbors' houses as well.

    This is awfully nice work :-)

    -- dan

    Just to REALLY screw your day up (and maybe make SickleYield's ;) ), I present a meter reader's nightmare...

    Damn picture gives me the seriously bad case of the skin-crawlies.

    ...and on topic, I totally knew I had to get the constrictor. I don't render many scenes that a snake would be appropriate for, but it's just SO nicely done, textures and all, that I had to get it, and maybe I'll scale it up and wrap it around some folks. I admit, I'd love to see an albino ball python texture for it, as a friend of mine had one a long time ago, and I thought it was just SO striking.

    -- Morgan

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    Huntsman spiders are so cute! Laid back,too. We don't get those big ones here in the USA, sadly.

    I will definitely do an albino and leucistic at some point. I haven't decided if they will be free or not (probably).

  • Three WishesThree Wishes Posts: 471
    edited December 1969

    I know that when I saw this picture of a Huntsman, "cute" and "laid back" were absolutely the first two terms that jumped to mind.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2015

    dhtapp said:

    I know that when I saw this picture of a Huntsman, "cute" and "laid back" were absolutely the first two terms that jumped to mind.
    lol.
    Alright, you drug a photo out of me. I found this gal last week, stalking my WL2K radio, I guess she wanted to send a Radiogram or something, lol. Cute was the last thing I was thinking when she decided her reflection in my coffee cup was more fascinating then the other computer.
    :smirk: That's my coffee, get your own cup, lol.
    “parson spider” (Herpyllus ecclesiasticus).
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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    She thought it was another female! They're very territorial when it comes to other female spiders.

  • JennKJennK Posts: 834
    edited December 1969

    Just for the record I hate snakes. Always have always well but I can admire their beauty and you have done a great job. Into my cart it went.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 1969

    I figured it was something like that. I've developed an overall understanding with them, and a way of dealing with them. If they are actively chasing me down as I dance around the room, then it wants to eat me. If it is just sitting there, I am of no interest to him/her.

    The cute little black box-like fellas about a quarter inch in size. There fun to watch dance around the desk, and I just ignore. The'll find the computers to not be that tasty, and go elsewhere to hunt.

    The ones that look like that picture are a different story all together. Is it a brown recluse (rubber-band-War usually erupts), or is it just a harmless flee catching House spider. The house spiders usually don't bother me at all, and keep to them selves, except when I'm trying to put them outside.

    The debate with the one in the pic, as I look at the other desk again (Yep, still camping out where I put her), was she a "White Tail" or not. I mostly assume female, because she is over twice as big as all the others I've seen.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    A brown recluse or "violin spider" is slightly transparent and has a violin pattern on the front segment; the eyes are distinctive also, although then you'd have to be looking that closely to see the triangular pattern that all six are arranged in. If it's hairy, and/or the legs are stripey, it's not one of these. In fact, stripey legs are good all 'round because T. agrestis (the aggressive house spider, never kill you but it can leave a nasty wound) looks similar to some harmless species but has no leg stripes.

    The tiny black-box fellas are probably jumping spiders. They eat flies and other flying insects by jumping and catching them and will not generally bite a person.

    White tails aren't native here, so I can't speak to those. ;)

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2015

    yea, it's a tough call. This is not Australia where I live (New England), tho nothing else I've seen so far has that shape of body, whit specs going down the back, and spinnerets that large. This fella splayed out, is about an inch from leg-tip to leg-tip. All the others I've seen are possibly half an inch. Thing is, the White tail, has whit specs on the sides of the body, not down the center of the back line.

    ah, found it, I think "parson spider" (Herpyllus ecclesiasticus). Good, you live, just don't chase me around, lol.

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  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,
    That's what we need... SIaaS... Spider Identification as a Service. Or 'Google Arachnet (beta)'. Take a picture of a spider, and it presents you with a few likely alternatives, ranked by percentage similarity. ;)

    I'd go out to my garage and take a few shots of the monsters living around the cardboard box farm we've got in there... I'm just thankful we live on a concrete slab, and don't have one of those crawlspaces under our house, aka spider sanctuaries. ;)

    And in vague reference to the topic of this thread, shockingly enough I haven't seen a single snake on our property...ever. Deer, 'coons, rabbits (I think we have a colony by the back fence), cats, a bear once (standing just outside our back door!), but no snakes.

    -- Morgan

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2015

    lol, that's just it. I've spent almost a week sifting threw pics that people were asking what is this, before finding one just now, that actually called it by name. And it is a dead ringer. Hunting style and all.

    Agreed, back on topic. Sadly, I have not noticed as many Eastern Garter Snakes (Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis) as I did when growing up.
    :down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Garter_Snake
    I can't wait till Tuesday. At about a foot or so in length, the color will be more important then the minute shape-difference of the head. Close enough for me.

    Just look at what the snake is coiled up on, that is cute. (EDIT, and this cute fella as well "Ribbon Snake")

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  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 1,217
    edited February 2015

    Gahstopwiththespiderpicturesthisisasnakethreadnotaspiderthreadnospiderpicturespleaseohmygodtheycannotgetthisbigforrealcantheyhumans
    wouldn'tbethedominantspeciesonearthandtheyhavewaytoomanylegsandlikeamillioneyesandtheysuckyourflippingutsoutwhatkindofdietisthat
    andyouonlyseethemwhenitstoolatelikerighthereinthisthreadsopleasenomorepicturesofthedamnspidersihatethemdamnspiders :gulp:

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  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,999
    edited December 1969

    Barubary said:
    Gahstopwiththespiderpicturesthisisasnakethreadnotaspiderthreadnospiderpicturespleaseohmygodtheycannotgetthisbigforrealcantheyhumans
    wouldn'tbethedominantspeciesonearthandtheyhavewaytoomanylegsandlikeamillioneyesandtheysuckyourflippingutsoutwhatkindofdietisthat
    andyouonlyseethemwhenitstoolatelikerighthereinthisthreadsopleasenomorepicturesofthedamnspidersihatethemdamnspiders :gulp:

    LMFAO :)
  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    Silly Barubary, humans aren't the dominant species on the planet NOW. We're just the dominant vertebrate. :D

    Spiders that run toward you are trying to hide in the shadow you cast. They don't realize it's being cast by a giant thing that is scared of spiders. Jumping spiders see better than the others owing to their characteristic four-in-front eye pattern, which is why if you let one walk on your hand you are likely to have the experience of watching it tilt its front half waaaay back to look at you, frantically twiddle its pedipalps as it realizes you are a giant potentially spider-eating living thing, and then dive off your hand to rappel down to the floor/ground/table as fast as possible. I adore them, they have so much personality.

    I want to make some spiders, before too long, but I want to know that I can texture them to my own satisfaction when I do; and the jumpers need to be furry, so I may need to spend more LAMH time as well (I never did learn that to my satisfaction). If it's spiders I need it to be as close to perfect as possible, because they're so important to me (more than snakes are, although I do like snakes).

    Garter snakes are colubrids, and I have fond memories of them from when I was a kid. I don't know if a colubrid set will sell well enough to justify that expansion or not; maybe if the viper and elapid ones pay for themselves I can afford to do it as a labor of love. Some hog-noses too. They're so cute.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2015

    Barubary, perhaps after some coffee. Or is that you passed out on the keyboard, lol. Some one sent me a "Compressed" 'C' code text file once, with the commands mashed together like that on a single line, even all the comments had been removed. I took a quick glance at the first never ending '#include' statement, threw it out and sent them packing.


    I've noticed that suicidal tendency of some arachnids. "O" I didn't see you down there (stepping back to give it some room). Why are you running under my foot, I'm trying not to step on you, lol. It's funny when there on the floor doing that, and it is almost always a jumping spider.

    When I have not decided what it is yet (and it's over half an inch in size), and it's chasing my running all over the ceiling, Eeek. It wants to eat me, or it want's to eat one of the stray-cat flees that found it's way in here. Neither of the two possibilities are good.


    Garter snakes, I'm sure I can do up the color mats, and the size conceals almost all else. IF anything, I'll need to change the size and length of the head with a D-form. I'm already sold on the Constrictor for this. Compared to making a south-American morph, It'll be a walk in the park... a very scary park, filled with monsters who are trying to kill me. lol.

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  • Design Anvil - Razor42Design Anvil - Razor42 Posts: 1,239
    edited March 2015

    Love the new python SIckleyield, very nice work!

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    Really? Huh! That one comes up on searches for "reticulated python" a lot.

    Lovely brown snakes.

  • Design Anvil - Razor42Design Anvil - Razor42 Posts: 1,239
    edited March 2015

    Really? Huh! That one comes up on searches for "reticulated python" a lot.

    Lovely brown snakes.

    Lol, strange that you mention that, straight after I posted I thought damn, better make sure this is a burmese python.

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    Razor 42 said:
    Really? Huh! That one comes up on searches for "reticulated python" a lot.

    Lovely brown snakes.

    Lol, strange that you mention that, straight after I posted I thought damn, better make sure this is a burmese python considering the threads subject. Couldn't confirm for sure what type it is though. It is a nice sized python though

    I wouldn't insist on it, they both have teeth and I'm not familiar enough with their marking variants.

  • Design Anvil - Razor42Design Anvil - Razor42 Posts: 1,239
    edited February 2015

    Really? Huh! That one comes up on searches for "reticulated python" a lot.

    Lovely brown snakes.

    Yeah the browns are cool, I mainly have elapids around where I live. Browns and Red Belly black snakes. I try to keep out of their way and they haven't caused to much trouble for us. You learn to live with them to a degree, and learn to watch where you step to.

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