RTX 3060 GFX vs my old GTX 1080ti card for DAZ Studio IRAY, did I waste my money?
Mercblue22
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Hello everyone,
I just brought a brand new RTX 3060 12gb card last week in hoping that I could get something better then my old GTX 1080ti 11GB card for $1,000 on Amazon. But, after doing a little additional research, (benchmark comparison) and it seems like my 1080ti still is much better and faster then the RTX in terms of rendering IRAY scenes in DAZ. Now, I feel like I wasted $1,000 on this card and I don't know if I could pair them together and salvage the RTX card. Can anyone help me figure out if I wasted my my money on this RTX card, I am not feeling too confident in it now. :(
Thanks to anyone who can help me,
Merc
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Honestly, in comparing them at face value you only gained a extra gig of VRAM and got the RTX benefits, definately not worth $1000 IMO Did you upgrade the drivers?
I can't help with the dual card situation though. best of luck.
Two generations later, and with the RTX features (which your old card will have to emulate in its own memory, reduing both the memory and processing power available for the actual render) should show a very marked improvement in performance in Iray.
For Iray, at least, the "RTX benefits" are quite substantial.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/4762401/#Comment_4762401
As long as we're here talking about 12Gb RTX 3060s, is 32GB of system RAM sufficient to get the most out of the card with Daz Studio, or is 64GB a better plan?
I moved from a 1080TI as well, but I wouldn't have moved to a 3060. I wanted more VRAM, so there was a logical jump for me. But I was also building a new system from scratch so I went all out.
Still using my 2080ti seems to be getting better times using win 11.
...I have a Maxwell Titan-X and looked to move to a 3060 as like Richard mentions, older cards are a bit gimped VRAM-wise to compensate on Daz 4.12 and above. Unfortunately even after making adjustments to the BIOS (X58 MB which is pobably just too old) I only get a standard VGA signal to one display so until I upgrade the CPU and MB (which is in the works) I'm back on the Titan for now. Fortunately I got a good price direct from EVGA which is nothing near what is seen on the Net.
As to memory support, ideally you want 3 times the card's VRAM in system memory. so for 12 GB that would be 36, however given the way memory is configured today, that would mean 64 GB. Using a mix of memory sizes could introduce instabilities and you would be down to a single memory channel instead of 2 or 4.
64GB it is, then! Thanks, kyoto kid
I recently bought a 3060 to take place of my 1070ti, and I have 32 gig of system ram as I am just upgrading the system which is in my sig.. Either way I have seen a huge improvement in my rendering, I just did a render which is in another thread that too me about 1 minute 10 seconds to render..
Also saying about price I paid $1200 AUD, which in the current climate of being able to get a card at all is okay for me.. Also the costs of cards are going up still, and the 3070, 3080 are very expensive for what they are..
Which benchmarks did you look at?
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking/p1
RTX 3060 results, page 23->
...it will come in handy particularly as you get more ambitious with your scenes. or say a 16 or 20 GB card comes out.
From the benchmark thread, the 3060 renders the scene in 3 minutes 46.31 seconds on DS 4.15.0.2 64-bit. My own test in the same thread for a 1080Ti, also on 4.15.0.2 64-bit was 6 minutes 30.23 seconds. This does show a substantial improvement in render speed.
When you say that "after doing a little additional research, (benchmark comparison) and it seems like my 1080ti still is much better and faster then the RTX in terms of rendering IRAY scenes in DAZ." do you mean that you have carried out the research yourself, or that you've looked at reviews / benchmarks online for other programs or games?
Speed increases in DS are not always easily noticable because we render different scenes all the time and rarely go back and render a scene twice on different cards. For your own piece of mind, it migth be worht taking a free afternoon and rendering either the test scene from the benchmark thread, or a scene of your own and then taking down the details from the DS log (maybe do this a few times to get an average), then switching the cards in your machine and running the scene again on your 1080ti a few times.
Regardless, I would take a look at the power supply of your machine and see if it is possible to have both cards in the machine and use them both for rendering - no link is needed for iRay.
No idea.
Are you happy with what you've got?
Do you feel you have received value for money?
You should be able to use both cards in your system.
I agree with that in are they happy with what they bought, with having the two cards in the system hopefully they have a beefy enough PSU.. As when I use my new 3060, according to GPU-Z the card draws around about 120 watts at full load..
If you are a **US/CA citizen you could have gotten a 3080ti at MSRP via BestBuy, as of last month, a 3080ti dropped 3 times as well as the 5th/11th/18th of this month, all you need to do is sign up for HotStock at both their website and app, that way you could have been alerted when a 3080ti dropped, I say 3080ti as that is much more of an upgrade than a crap-tiered 3060!
**(Europeans have Mindfactory and GPUTracker!)
The 1080ti more than outperforms the 3060 which is why it's such a crappy useless card as you will not be able to even push the card to take advantage of that 12Gb VRAM in gaming, all you needed was patience and vigilance and you would have gotten a 3080ti at MSRP instead of a crap-tiered worthless 3060...
EDIT: Yes, I hate the 3060 as it is not a powerful enough card to support its 12Gb VRAM, as the 3080 could have benefitted more with that 12 Gb than the 3060, so I am madder at NVidia rather than people that were duped in buying them!
RTX 3090s has 24 GB VRAM.
IMO I wouldn't buy any XX60 if I need real performance, not even if it comes with a "ti" attached to it. Take it as an expensive learning experience.
The funny thing here is that the 3090 here in Australia while expensive as heck $3150 to $4500 AUD, is more worth it because of the 24GB of vram.. Although here one could buy a somewhat decent car for that price.. lol
Which is relevant for gamers, but not for people whose main concern is rendering where the 12GB may well be very useful.
Kinda depends on where the OP lives, the going rate in that country, and the value of the local currency relative to the US$.? HK $1000 would be a bargian; LRD$1000 would be a steal.
What is real performance? Are we discussing gaming performance or rendering performance? If you buy an 8GB card and it won't hold your scene, your DS performance is whatever your CPU can provide. If you buy a 3090, you have to be sure the rest of your system can support it, and total cost goes up considerably. Info online suggests 3080ti is a waste of money, might as well buy the 3090 for rendering.
I've been shopping Alienware systems on the Dell site. If I spec a system with 12GB 3060 and 64GB RAM, the 3090 is a $1274 upgrade and must add another ~$500 to get RAM up to 128GB. I already selected cases with 750W or 1000W PSU, depending on processor generation and all that. So, it's an $1800 premium to add in the 3090 and get max value out of it.
You shouldn't buy anything which only offers a marginal improvement.
By Octane render benchmarks, your new GPU is only like 50% faster? You'll notice that its faster, but its not like it something which will actually improve your Daz experience. By comparison, a 3080 TI will blow them both away.
https://render.otoy.com/octanebench/
I have a 3080 TI, but I regret not getting the 3090. I'm hitting that 12GB RAM limit far too quickly and far too often. I truely miss Octane with its amazing out of core memory use. The one thing I never spent time on in Octane was memory management which is all you hear about with Iray.
...not being into gaming, not concerned with game performance.
The VRAM is what I am after to replace my old Titan-X (gimped in Daz 4.12) which will likely will be moved to obsolete status with the next update of Iray (Maxwell has been on depreciated status for over a year). Wasn't about to backtrack in VRAM to say a 3070.(which is still a bit out of budget). The specs are bit better than my Titan-X giving a bout a third better performance (game wise which again doesn't matter as All I am using it for is rendering). Right now any improvement that I can afford is worth it, particularly as I don't have to deal with a noticeable part of the VRAM taken up for the speed boost after Iray supported RTX. I also got it at a very reasonable price direct from the manufacturer, not a reseller.
While the 3080 Ti does have 12 GB is currently priced higher than the MSRP for the 3090 and is just as power hungry as it's 24 GB sibling which means needing a new PSU as well. Even at it's MSRP (1,200$) it is still out of my budget. Sometimes you just have to make do with the best you can afford.
...thank you Richard.
...I was interested in Octane 4 until Otoy moved to a subscription track which also requires you to be online during your work session. To work offline you need the more expensive Enterprise annual subscription at 336 USD which includes an option for a dongle that allows you to work offline, that costs an extra 55 USD, and needs to be renewed every 4 months which comes to an extra 165 USD a year (too much micromanagement there). There is an Enterprise Boxed" version which is a perpetual licence at 790 USD for the 12 month maintenance plan and 1,015 USD for 24 months.
As I understand Blender's Cycles also has out of core rendering.
For the OP is clearly rendering... for me is both as I'm a gamer as well (and throw in some video editing on the side). I jumped from my GTX970 to my RTX3090 precisely 'cause my GTX970 couldn't handle much. So perhaps I didn't choose the right word, I guess "real performance" was more of an overall performance. A gpu that can tackle most of things. Now my problem is that the rest of my PC components are falling apart, but I'm waiting on DDR5 to become more popular next year so I can drain my bank account and upgrade everything around my gpu.
But back to the topic, if I were the OP I wouldn't spent $1000 for just one extra 1GB. And again not on a XX60
Cheers.
110% *this* ^
...as i mentioned with older cards, Iray i Daz 4.12 an onward automatically turned OptiX prime on which take up a portion of VRAM. Been trying to track down the percentage but from what i understand having gone through forums (including here) it can be "significant. One person reported only getting 8 GB on a 1080 Ti. and others mentioning that with OptiX Prime Acceleration the process issue an out of memory warning when they should normally have had enough VRAM to handle the scene being rendered.
MSI Afterburner indicates only 8 GB available for my Titan-X while rendering in Daz 4.15.0.30. Only about 100 MB goes to driving the displays, leaving me with 11.9.GB.