Anyone else going back to G3?

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  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700

    Drogo Nazhur said:

    I have a lot invested in G8 because of the realism of the characters, but I can't render more than 2-3 characters in a scene. Doing digital comics, I often need 3-4 or more chracters in a scene. So I find myself using G3 more & more AND buying more & more stuff for G3.

    Maybe dial down the subD level on the characters? If you have subD set too high, it will use more resources.

    SubDivision Level 1

     Render SubD Level (Minimum) 2

    That is the default. If you set it higher it increases render time and slows down the preview window.

     

  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700

    Another thing you can do is to get this product:

    https://www.daz3d.com/render-throttle-for-iray

    It reduces the drag on the preview window for Iray Drawstyle considerably.

    And there are several options for final render.

     

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    von Hobo said:

    Drogo Nazhur said:

    I have a lot invested in G8 because of the realism of the characters, but I can't render more than 2-3 characters in a scene. Doing digital comics, I often need 3-4 or more chracters in a scene. So I find myself using G3 more & more AND buying more & more stuff for G3.

    Maybe dial down the subD level on the characters? If you have subD set too high, it will use more resources.

    SubDivision Level 1

     Render SubD Level (Minimum) 2

    That is the default. If you set it higher it increases render time and slows down the preview window.

    There really isn't any reason to go higher if rendering people from shin to top of head, you cannot see the minor details that would be produced with higher SubD's - If in doubt, try and see.
    The only exeption is when rendering huge pixel images to be printed and put on a wall at larger than life scale.

    If you want to make dermatological studies of the nose pores with high SubD's, there is no point in having multiple characters in the scene (unless they are rubbing noses together...)

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Subtropic Pixel said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    ...It is no secret celebrities often have cellulite, a bit of a bump here and there and other faults the parapatzi love to capture that get airbrushed out in photos.

    I am not saying it's wrong...

    I'll say it's wrong, especially when they airbrush a woman in her 40s to the extent that she has no skin wrinkles where her knees and elbows are, or they airbrush a woman in her 50s so it looks like she has no crows-feet around her eyes and you can't tell where her finger joints are.

    I've seen photoshopped women in their 20s with no lines of any kind on their knees.  It's really kind of creepy looking, because skin is so amazing and beautiful in what it does, which is to cover our wet and icky parts, not only to help keep things from drying out, but by doing that while still allowing for movement!

    Those manufactured images are exactly what a brand new clone would look like if it was made of wax and had just freshly popped out of the molding pod!  surpriselaugh

    Exactly. Completely agree. I wish that PAs would give us more figures with realistic creases and bumps - cellulite and all. And I DON'T mean painted in lines. I mean geometry or Normal maps.  I can start with realistic and leave off the bumps and creases if I like but I can't add HD details (nor normal maps, for that matter) if I don't have them. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited January 2022

    PerttiA said:

    BlueFingers said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Art is stylised.

    Just not photorealistic.

    More Photoshop realistic.wink

    Yes! I think most people really don't want real photorealism.

    While I can understand (to an extent) that someone posting their own images on social media, want to make themselves looking best they can, when I'm making renders, I want to see real people in real everyday situations, something I could see with my own eyes around me. No billionaires, princesses, movie divas, high society and/or parties. 

    ...as I tend to work on stories that take place in the near future (often in a dystopic cyber world setting) what passes for "everyday situations" may seem a bit out of place for today, but is consistent within the genre. 

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213

    von Hobo said:

    Another thing you can do is to get this product:

    https://www.daz3d.com/render-throttle-for-iray

    It reduces the drag on the preview window for Iray Drawstyle considerably.

    And there are several options for final render.

     

    ...another good product for people and other scene elements that will be more in the backgound are these:

    https://www.daz3d.com/resource-saver-shaders-collection-for-iray

    https://www.daz3d.com/mmx-resource-saver-shaders-collection-2-for-iray

    https://www.daz3d.com/mmx-resource-saver-shaders-collection-3-for-iray_Mattymanx

    https://www.daz3d.com/mmx-resource-saver-shaders-collection-4-for-iray

    https://www.daz3d.com/mmx-resource-saver-shaders-collection-5-for-iray

     

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

  • watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700

    Richard Haseltine said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

    And it looks like it's only Genesis 2 base characters. So it's kind of disappointing ... 

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,113

    I am still using mostly Genesis and G2.

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,470

    von Hobo said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

    And it looks like it's only Genesis 2 base characters. So it's kind of disappointing ... 

    Actually there are 37 Genesis 3 base characters there - maybe (like me) you just own them all?! 

  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700

    MelanieL said:

    von Hobo said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

    And it looks like it's only Genesis 2 base characters. So it's kind of disappointing ... 

    Actually there are 37 Genesis 3 base characters there - maybe (like me) you just own them all?! 

    I didn't click the button to see all of them, so that's why I missed them. Oops :) 

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    too many choices.  I can't decide who to buy. lol  cheeky 

  • csaacsaa Posts: 824

    @WendyLuvsCatz, @BlueFingers:

    I think we're caught between the yin and the yang of realism and the abstract, between the literal and the symbolic. After starting out with G8 line, admiring its realism, I spent the last year exploring non photorealistic rendering (NPR) and mixing it with hand-drawn elements. Don't get me wrong -- I'm a big fan of G8 and I salute Daz for continuing to push the technological envelope further. But for me the bottom line comes down to the humanity in the image ... or "humanism" to reach for a loftier term. Real or not, I'd like to come away with some sense of the human condition -- external context plus inner state of mind -- expressed in the render. A story.

    Prior to 3D art, I dabbled in photography. My arc started out with glamor and the larger-than-life shots, but eventually I trained my lens on the prosaic, trying to find the simple beauty in it. Eventually I found myself admiring the street photography of Vivian Maier or Cartier-Besson. (Sabin Weiss's passing, reported in today's newspapers, reminded me of this fascination.) I see the same arc in my 3D work.

    Maybe this is me just growing old while continuing to dabble in imaging technology that's constantly reinventing itself.

    Cheers!

    BlueFingers said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Art is stylised.

    Just not photorealistic.

    More Photoshop realistic.wink

    Yes! I think most people really don't want real photorealism.

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670

    i forgot to mention that some of the Generation 3 characters that I own include materials for 3Delight and Iray render engines.

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    Richard Haseltine said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

    A pity I had to wait until after work, then. Oh well...

    Anyway, I was inspired by this thread to create a scene using Genesis 3 figures and outfits. Let none say those are irrelevant in 2022. Some excellent outfits have not been updated from Genesis 3 and are best used on the figures they were made for.

    Here is a Gallery link with a list of products used.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,534

    Richard Haseltine said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Any Genesis 3 (or Genesis/Genesis 2) fans, be sure to check today's store page. There is a very nice offer of one figure/Pro Bundle from a large selection for USD 5, with no additional conditions.

    This was not correct, it was meant to be the base characters only. It was corrected fairly quickly.

     

    oh, I would not have had any to choose from then either

    I did grab Michael 7 Pro as only had starter one or at least base and some outfits and gained a hair and a few other things still making $5 a good deal

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited January 2022

    after rendering some characters for Genesis 8, I prefer Genesis 3.  I bought a whole bunch of characters during the big sales during the past 34+ days.  The faces of some Genesis 8 characters look odd on my computer even after I tried to adust the materials and lights.  I have better luck with Genesis 3 characters looking decent on my screen.  Hmm.

    Post edited by starionwolf on
  • charlescharles Posts: 849

    I prefer the 8.1 because you can get such more realistic facial expressions. And as far as the body you can get it to whatever you want through morphs or blender.  But the lag and load times are crap for sure.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,065

    While I have a lot of G8 content, I like using G3 more due to the Creature Creator product for it.. Unfortunately G8 does not have a version of Creature Creator, the other annoying thing with G8 is that some of the cooler looking fantasy being products are only for either G8F or G8M.. Such as the Werebat HD product, it looks great but is only for G8.1M would love a version for G8.1F but not holding any hopes..

    And as such why I tend to use G3 more because of the Creature Creator product, depending on what I am working on..

  • I have barely used G8.1 as the characters seem to have all sorts of resource intensive things dialled up to the limit, and if I forget, my GTX1060 drops to CPU. Very annoying.

    Arguments for G3: There is a particular style common in the G3F characters which I think is prettier than on the V8/G8F based characters. V7 being much prettier than V8. Unfortunately that's all I can think of.

    With G8, the inclusion of a twist dial in the shoulder bend bone, and front/back and bend dial in the shoulder twist bone saves so much time when posing I simply don't like living without it. The expressions are easier to create, but as my images are rarely close-ups so subtle expressions are lost by distance, I can live with either.

    So, for me, it's G8, but not a strong preference.

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited January 2022

    charles said:

    I prefer the 8.1 because you can get such more realistic facial expressions. And as far as the body you can get it to whatever you want through morphs or blender.  But the lag and load times are crap for sure.

    I have an Intel core i5  processor with 8 GB of memory but no discreet video card.  I'm too scared to load Genesis 8 characters that have d-Force fur now.  I'll try loading the cat and the wolf ladies after I add 16 GB of RAM to my computer.  Computer is slow when 8GB of system RAM is shared between Windows and the graphics chip (Intel Iris 655 HD).

    Post edited by starionwolf on
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