Dell precision or Alienware?

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  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,800
    edited December 1969

    Jonstark said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...If you require mobility, then yes going the build it yourself route is not an option.

    There are still custom builds available for notebooks and most gaming notebooks don't come with all the other bloatware that a big box store/site bought one does. Unfortunately you will most likely have to settle for Windows 8.1 unless a Win7 downgrade is offered.

    Did a bit of digging and still find it hard to believe that the 880M has 8 GB dedicated GDDR5 when the newer 980M only has 4 GB..

    That's crazy to me and yet from everything I can find it's true. Seems like a step backwards to me.
    Actally the 980M does come with 8Gb, but not from Alienware, and possibly not Asus either. MSI has models with 8gb, as do all the Clevo/Sager builders. While researching for my new laptop I was also quite suprised to learn that Alienware laptops max out at 16gb of RAM. I almost went with Alienware until I figured out the low max RAM (I even called them to verify it). Ended up getting a Prostar (Clevo) with a 960M with 6gb for about $600 less than the Alienware. So far I'm very happy with it, but have only had it a few days.

  • JonstarkJonstark Posts: 2,738
    edited December 1969

    R25S said:
    I hated to go for Windows 8.1.... but after 5 month of working with Windows 8.1 I must say it is not as bad as expected. To tell the truth; it is the fastest and most stable running PC/Laptop I ever had... and so far their are no Blue-Screens or similar Problems - any other PC (Windows 95/98/2000/XP) and any Laptop (Windows XP and 7 Professional) had from 3 up to 10 Blue-Screens or similar System-Chrash in the first 3 month... and many more after that...

    With Alienware (and some other DELL Laptops and PC`s) you can choose between Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 - they build it the way you like.

    I didn't like the way the desktop was arranged, and the control panel and the layout so much (more like I was working on a smart phone then a computer, and I certainly don't think working on a smart phone is better/easier than using a freaking mouse and keyboard by any stretch) but I was able to adjust to it relatively quickly, and like you said it works fine, it certainly isn't a disaster or the Vista-part-2 that some doomsayers make it out to be. :)

  • JonstarkJonstark Posts: 2,738
    edited December 1969

    dustrider said:
    Jonstark said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...If you require mobility, then yes going the build it yourself route is not an option.

    There are still custom builds available for notebooks and most gaming notebooks don't come with all the other bloatware that a big box store/site bought one does. Unfortunately you will most likely have to settle for Windows 8.1 unless a Win7 downgrade is offered.

    Did a bit of digging and still find it hard to believe that the 880M has 8 GB dedicated GDDR5 when the newer 980M only has 4 GB..

    That's crazy to me and yet from everything I can find it's true. Seems like a step backwards to me.


    Actally the 980M does come with 8Gb, but not from Alienware, and possibly not Asus either. MSI has models with 8gb, as do all the Clevo/Sager builders. While researching for my new laptop I was also quite suprised to learn that Alienware laptops max out at 16gb of RAM. I almost went with Alienware until I figured out the low max RAM (I even called them to verify it). Ended up getting a Prostar (Clevo) with a 960M with 6gb for about $600 less than the Alienware. So far I'm very happy with it, but have only had it a few days.

    To be honest all of it is much better than my little bitty 740M :) I only wonder what I should look for when the next cycle of upgrading my rig comes.

    And I know I should buy/build a tower, but I seem to always end up going for a laptop. Weirdly nowadays I find I can get similar power and features for less money in a laptop than a tower (although the downside to the laptop is having no ability to swap out/upgrade components). Oh and I can take my laptop anywhere (and often do).

  • R25SR25S Posts: 595
    edited December 1969

    R25S said:
    I hated to go for Windows 8.1.... but after 5 month of working with Windows 8.1 I must say it is not as bad as expected. To tell the truth; it is the fastest and most stable running PC/Laptop I ever had... and so far their are no Blue-Screens or similar Problems - any other PC (Windows 95/98/2000/XP) and any Laptop (Windows XP and 7 Professional) had from 3 up to 10 Blue-Screens or similar System-Chrash in the first 3 month... and many more after that...

    With Alienware (and some other DELL Laptops and PC`s) you can choose between Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 - they build it the way you like.

    Never had any issue building my own. Back in the years of Win 95/98 main problem was with IRQ sharing if you had many PCI cards. That disappeared starting with Win 2000. The other was that along the years, Microsoft tried to keep compatibility. Win 95 was the first half 16 bit and half 32 bit system and the dos compatibility was more or less kept untill Win 7. That is one of the source of the BSOD

    The other source is drivers. That is why MS began to enforce driver certification with Win 7. It is now more strict with Win 8. Back then it was possible for users to use uncertified drivers. Now with Win 8, it is not possible without deactivating certifications enforcement. So the OS is more stable

    The only thing left that can now provoke BSOD is bad component. And in this field, MS can't do much unless they do like Apple and only accept hardware with some kind of certificate but that would end up being more expensive. Sometimes it's just an insignificant hardware : I recently replaced a defective SATA cable on a friend's computer that was making problems. Searched a few hours before finding the culprit. Your former notebook may only had a little defective component, who knows


    I know exactly what it was, in fact it was "little" defective component.... but this is a long Story (and I´m not sure I can explain it very clearly).

    It was back in November; I was going to working on my Laptop (it was a DELL Inspiron) but while starting it I get the message that I did not use a certificatet Version of Windows and I have to Register with Microsoft. I worked with this Laptop for more than 3 Years and never had that issue. It was bought new from DELL with pre-installed Windows 7 Home wich I update online to Windows 7 Professional when I useed it the first time.
    First I thought that it was only a Problem of connecting the Microsoft Server so I try several times but the failure remain.

    Second I try to reactivate the Registration through the DELL Software, wich tells me that they can not find the needed Registration Key`s because the Part of the Hard Drive wich contains this Key is defectiv. DELL Support can´t (or don`t want) to help me to solve that Problem.

    Third I try to Register. It was a registered Version but maybe somehow the Registration is gone so I go trough the Registration process.
    When I enter the Windows 7 Professional Key I get the message that I can`t Register this Version because it is a update Version wich only can be registered after the Registration of a Windows Version wich can be updated to Windows 7 Professional.
    OK; I thought, and enter the Registration Key of Windows 7 Home (from wich I update) but to my surprise I get the message that I can`t Register this Version because it is a update Version wich only can be registered after the Registration of a Windows Version wich can be updated to Windows 7 Home.
    So I searched trough all the documents of the Laptop and find out that it was updated from Windows XP to Windows 7 Home by DELL during the pre-installation.
    I enter the Key for Windows XP and another surprise... I think you know what comes next... I got a message wich is telling me that I can`t Register this Version because it is a update Version wich only can be registered after the Registration of a Windows Version wich can be updated to Windows XP.
    Digging deeper inside the document I found that originally the whole System was build, by DELL, on a Windows Vista Version.
    After finding the Number for this Version I enter the Registration Key and get another message... no; it was not the one I had several times before it was a new one... wich is telling me that this Registration Key belongs to a System-Builder-Version of Windows Vista and can`t be registered because it is used by comapanys for a huge number of Laptops/PC´s and Microsoft did not give any Support for System Builder Windows.
    So what next... I remember that the first message wich say that is not a official registered Version of Windows offers the ability to by one from Microsoft.
    I return to this message and bought a Full Version of Windows 7 Professional. After recieving the Key I get to the Registration and enter the Key... and wonder what comes... this is not a orignal Version of Windows... (remember I bought it directly from Microsoft a few minutes before).
    I try it several times but always the same message.
    Next I try to register trouth phone... and I get happy because they tell me it was a official number and get me a code wich I have to enter in the next step....
    In the next step I enter that code and get the message this code is not matching the code you recieved...
    Try it several times alwáys the same Problem.
    Microsoft Support can`t (or don`t want) help me

    Fourth I thought about of doing a new Windows Partition on the Laptop and installing one of my older Windows Versions but this doesn`t work, too because it needs a defragmentation of the Hard Drive and it always stops because of the defective Part of the Hard Drive.

    The End of this sad Song... I went to the Store and bought a new Laptop.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,257
    edited April 2015

    Maybe I missunderstand but I think your wrong...
    the DAZ Plug In cost only 99€ (108.65$) when you already own a Stand Alone
    Licence.
    If I understand it correctly you have to buy a Combo of Standalone and DAZ
    Studio Beta Edition

    OctaneRender™ for DAZ Studio v2.x Beta + Standalone Combo v2.x License
    (379.00 €)
    This is both a Standalone Edition license and a DAZ® Studio plugin license.
    Choose this if you do not already own a standalone license.

    The below are DAZ® Studio plugin license(s) ONLY.
    Choose one of these if you already own the required Standalone Edition
    license(s).

    OctaneRender™ for DAZ Studio v2.x Beta License (99.00 €)

    OctaneRender™ for DAZ Studio v2.x Beta License 3-pack (279.00 €)


    If you are lucky and be a Student you can gat a Octane Standalone (v1.20
    only) Student License for FREE!

    OctaneRender™ for DAZ Studio v2.x Beta License 5-pack (459.00 €)

    OctaneRender™ for DAZ Studio v2.x Beta License 10-pack (899.00 €)


    ...but again, why should a Beta even have a price on it?


    ....and who can afford the tuition to get the"free" student version?

    (finally had to do some major "surgery" to get the correct quoting to work)

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • R25SR25S Posts: 595
    edited December 1969

    ...I misunderstand that you are pointing to the additional cost of the plug in... I thought you mean that the whole thing cost around 100$ (not only the plug in)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,257
    edited December 1969

    ....the full package with the render engine with the Daz (beta) plugin costs379€ 416USD

    My issue is that the plugin should have no price as it is still in development. so one should only have to pay for the Octane render engine itself and not the plugin.

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