A Huge Regret

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  • Agreed, there is so much more flexibility is you manually install your content yourself, exactly where you want it. You can also organize it any way you want. DS is very flexible this way. 

     

     

  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152

    Richard Haseltine said:

    nemesis10 said:

    "I understand how to backup the content, and the scene files, but how do you backup the database, and how often do you have to back it up?"

    I back up my entire computer so the appdata folder is automatically backed up.  I can then go through my backups to a time where everything worked, restore the appdata and back in business.   

    The back up does need to be made while PostgrteSQL is closed, otherwise there is a risk of having some files either side of a change which would not work.

    Are you kidding?  What's  PostgrteSQL?

    When PostgrteSQL is closed?  Where is PostgrteSQL and how do you close it?

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited February 2022

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    if it is because of content and database issues, just wipe everything on your intended Library drive and start with a clean slate, redownload it all if you didn't keep the zips otherwise delete all the manifests and start over
    C:\Users\Public\Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\ManifestFiles

    I would avoid connect, just use DIM

    just grab your saved scenes first if they don't have dependencies outside of your bought content, they should still open

    I have two computers and send duf scenes from one to the other all the time, autoadapted files mostly rebuild, just stuff saved as a support asset can be an issue.

    DAZ will ask about missing files too and you actually can use the search function in the window for browsing to them

    +1, especially on the DIM; I'm not a fan of Daz Central either.

    @OP

    Personally, keep as much control over your installation as possible.

    I use DIM as it is a good way of managing a lot of content; it doesn't stop you having folders for specific items or groups.

    I have around 30 content Library that studio can see, only one of which DIM has access too - although I have had DIM install to many libraries previously but I changed that.

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  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,490

    Since I mentioned this, my backups are made at regular intervals and are granular so I can retrieve the copy of the database from a time when it worked and Daz Studio wasn't running.

    What is PostgrteSQL? https://www.postgresql.org/.  Like most programs, Daz Studio consists of various parts: a set of rendering engines such as Iray and 3dl, a database which keeps track of your library (3D assets), a framework that gives you menus (you will see people mention QT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software),a scripting library, a library of 3D translators that let you import things, and loads of other parts.  The database runs while you run the program and pauses when the program quits.  Daz Studio works best when it is allowed to shut  down and finish rather than being forced quit as it finishes tidying up the database.  Crashes also disrupt the database. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    FirstBastion said:

    Agreed, there is so much more flexibility is you manually install your content yourself, exactly where you want it. You can also organize it any way you want. DS is very flexible this way. 

     

     

    I had my libraries all customized, folders where I wanted, products where I wanted and it was all good - except I ran into a problem I couldn't live with. Some scripts and plugins (like UltraScenery) expect certain files to be in a certain place and if I wanted to use those scripts and plugins, I had to leave my libraries a complete and total mess (like they install by default with DIM). **sad face** 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    I love using daz studio . my system is getting rather dated too and buying a new one is not a option with the crazy prices on computer chips and Graphic Cards . I have learned to do other things that do not cost so much like drawing with charcoal pencil

    But it does not mean I stopped using my daz studio.   the last few years I have learned to be patient and wishlist the things i like and wait until they hit a ridiculous sale price of 70% of more off

    I know in my heart that it maybe not fair to the Pa's because of all their hard work they put in .  But during these times. I had to change my spending or not be able to spend at all.   Plus I have learn how to make things and do for my self with what I already have and wait for those 3d items i really want i have 4 on my wishlist  to go on that ridiculous sale.

  • rrwardrrward Posts: 556

    I've been at this for 15, 16 years now. Started with Poser 6, stayed with Poser until Studio 4. I've dealt with all kinds of issues (like Poser 6 not knowing how to interface with the latest Mac OS of the time), and the only real show-stopper problems I've ever had were hardware failures. A harddrive failure (and a lack of backup dilagence) erased three months of Poser assets from my system, and a IO error on my motherboard caused Studio to crash frequently (moving the video card on that PCI slot to another one fixed that). I've had artist burnout from time to time, but I've aleays come back to it. As for money spent, you don't even want to know how much I've spent on this hobby. Between the render assets, the new PCs (Mac Pros and PCs), best-in-class video cards, etc... But you know what? I don't regret it at all. I would have spent the money on a different hobby, say video games, or some such.

  • Fauvist said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    nemesis10 said:

    "I understand how to backup the content, and the scene files, but how do you backup the database, and how often do you have to back it up?"

    I back up my entire computer so the appdata folder is automatically backed up.  I can then go through my backups to a time where everything worked, restore the appdata and back in business.   

    The back up does need to be made while PostgrteSQL is closed, otherwise there is a risk of having some files either side of a change which would not work.

    Are you kidding?  What's  PostgrteSQL?

    When PostgrteSQL is closed?  Where is PostgrteSQL and how do you close it?

    PostgreSQL is the actual database engine, it is closed - at least as far as the Content Managemnt System goes - when Daz Studio, Dac central. Install manager, and I think Carrara are all closed.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    AllenArt said:

    FirstBastion said:

    Agreed, there is so much more flexibility is you manually install your content yourself, exactly where you want it. You can also organize it any way you want. DS is very flexible this way. 

    I had my libraries all customized, folders where I wanted, products where I wanted and it was all good - except I ran into a problem I couldn't live with. Some scripts and plugins (like UltraScenery) expect certain files to be in a certain place and if I wanted to use those scripts and plugins, I had to leave my libraries a complete and total mess (like they install by default with DIM). **sad face** 

    You could make another Content Library for those products 

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,263

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    PerttiA said:

    AllenArt said:

    FirstBastion said:

    Agreed, there is so much more flexibility is you manually install your content yourself, exactly where you want it. You can also organize it any way you want. DS is very flexible this way. 

    I had my libraries all customized, folders where I wanted, products where I wanted and it was all good - except I ran into a problem I couldn't live with. Some scripts and plugins (like UltraScenery) expect certain files to be in a certain place and if I wanted to use those scripts and plugins, I had to leave my libraries a complete and total mess (like they install by default with DIM). **sad face** 

    You could make another Content Library for those products 

    I have two Content Libraries - the old one is all the pre-Genesis content which is stored on a mechanical HDD and not used much. The later stuff is on my recent NVMe SSD for faster loading. The load delays are, however, mostly to do with all the G8F morphs I have bought so my scenes take a while to load and even longer to close down so I come and read the forum while waiting ... and waiting. 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    PerttiA said:

    AllenArt said:

    FirstBastion said:

    Agreed, there is so much more flexibility is you manually install your content yourself, exactly where you want it. You can also organize it any way you want. DS is very flexible this way. 

    I had my libraries all customized, folders where I wanted, products where I wanted and it was all good - except I ran into a problem I couldn't live with. Some scripts and plugins (like UltraScenery) expect certain files to be in a certain place and if I wanted to use those scripts and plugins, I had to leave my libraries a complete and total mess (like they install by default with DIM). **sad face** 

    You could make another Content Library for those products 

    There were a LOT of products to figure out what US was using and what it wasn't. I just installed everything thru DIM again and let it be. It was easier. LOL 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    PerttiA said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Smart Content? No thanks - it is a hidden tab for me too. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,150

    marble said:

    PerttiA said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Smart Content? No thanks - it is a hidden tab for me too. 

    interesting in that I totally dislike using Content Library, especially the way everything loads all over the place..probably my technique though.  3rd party stuff I usually extract the zip and then just copy it into My DAZ 3D Library or whatever that's called. Simple enough, but then it goes wherver the PA has named the folders in the product. I use only DIM for DAZ stuff.  I leave DS offline always so nothing gets in to screw up the works. 

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,776

    PerttiA said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Exactly

  • FSMCDesigns said:

    PerttiA said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Exactly

    No, I have had a number of non-metadata bugs fixed fairly recently.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    daveso said:

    its more than just a mess, its the overall vibe.  I used to enjoy this as a hobby, but not much anymore.
     

    Well, if you are totally fed up, you could start collecting NFTs... I hear DAZ might be getting into that soon...

    I'M KIDDING! Oh god I'm kidding! Totally kidding! DO NOT take that seriously! 

  • frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    Correct. It also leaves me with a fairly short list of vendors who take care to get things absolutely right first time - as each and every one should - and thus are safe to buy from a second, third or fourth time. The ones who don't - well, why would I want anything else from them?

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,394

    richardandtracy said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    Correct. It also leaves me with a fairly short list of vendors who take care to get things absolutely right first time - as each and every one should - and thus are safe to buy from a second, third or fourth time. The ones who don't - well, why would I want anything else from them?

    Some of the PAs update their products with enhancements, so it would be unfair to taint them with the "did not get it right first time" brush.

    An example is Mclean, who has updated a lot of his prop products with Iray shaders. Since Iray was not around when he first created the products, you can not blame him for not adding the Iray shaders in the first place.

    I happen to install everything with DIM, and I do not touch them afterwards. What I do sort out is all the installation zips (for both DAZ and other stores) and place them with the promo shots. This is what I use to locate a product I need, and since I have the zip file I can always locate where everything has been installed, no matter how poorly they were placed by the PA. The problem with a user sorted runtime is when the person forgets where they actually placed something when they rearranged the installed files. In this case the original zips only help to give the file names to seach for in the runtime.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Havos said:

    The problem with a user sorted runtime is when the person forgets where they actually placed something when they rearranged the installed files. In this case the original zips only help to give the file names to seach for in the runtime.

    No such problem, as the product is located there where I go looking for it.

    Logical folder structure is the key. 

  • PerttiA said:

    richardandtracy said:

    I have been convinced by a number of events over the years to rely on my programs or my memory, and never rely on other people's programs for database collation. This thread, and similar ones, has done nothing to convince me I'm wrong to only do manual downloads for DS. Regards, Richard.

    Same.

    Also, when doing manual installations, you don't have to care about the installers or the database to be informed about what you have done with the Content Libraries. 
    Need to move one to another drive - Just move it and change the location in DS = Done 

    Manual downloads are the way to go for me as well. I install them into my installation folder and cut and paste from there to where I want things to go (my content is organised the way I want it) (barring the data, geometry and texture folders of course) on an external SSD. I use the content tree in DS and Everything to find what I forget I own. I don't copy the manifest or supplement files...I've no idea what they're for but they don't even make it to the installation folder. The only time I've used DIM is to download a couple of scripts that were not made available for manual download. Installed DIM, got the scripts, uninstalled DIM. I've just upgraded to a new mobo with an m.2 c drive and my content sat safe and well in their drive dock waiting to get plugged in. The mere thought of having to download and reinstall all my content, just from Daz, is enough to make me want to go and lie down in a dark room. That also makes me wonder what people do with content from other places...do they just not buy anywhere else, nor get freebies? That's a massive part of my content and I comb for more everyday (Hello, my name is Lorraine and I am a freebie junkie...no shame). I'm constantly reorganising and making my content easier to find, catagorising things into logical folder trees and renaming as I see fit. If I could just get my real life as organised as my folders I'd be the most efficient person on the planet cheeky

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,150

    McGyver said:

    daveso said:

    its more than just a mess, its the overall vibe.  I used to enjoy this as a hobby, but not much anymore.
     

    Well, if you are totally fed up, you could start collecting NFTs... I hear DAZ might be getting into that soon...

    I'M KIDDING! Oh god I'm kidding! Totally kidding! DO NOT take that seriously! 

    laugh 

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,150

    i stand by the title of this thread. now the discounts have decreased on new products. i do feel, if it were not for the amount of money I've spent here, I would be long gone. does anyone really care? Doubtful. 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    cridgit said:

    PerttiA said:

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Definitely not the metadata. I've filed hundreds of metadata tickets, most of which just get closed after a long period of inactivity. Heck there's even still that Genesis bodysuit in the root Default folder which was the very first metadata ticket I filed back in 2011-2012 or something!

    No ma'am/sir its definitely NOT the metadata.

    You do know what updating means?

    It means that while fixing a problem, two new ones are created wink 

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    edited May 2022

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    cridgit said:

    Maybe they should call that "downdating". I had one today: filed a ticket a few days ago and it was fixed today (which I'm happy about, don't get me wrong). But the DIM downdate came throught empty. It's Industrial Pneumatic Tools in case you see the update: don't download until they put some files inside it :-)

    So the problem was eliminated completely laugh 

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,263

    marble said:

    PerttiA said:

    frank0314 said:

    The only downfall to manual installs is you will never get nor know when an update is available for any products. There are a lot of updates on a continuing basis to a lot of packs. I've never opened DIM and not had at least 2-3 updates to different things.

    True, but then again what is being updated? 

    From what can be read here in the forums, it's mostly metadata for 'Smart' content, which I don't use or non-zero default values that I can fix myself.

    Smart Content? No thanks - it is a hidden tab for me too. 

    Me three. Never used it never will. I'll stick with my good old reliable content library.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,263
    edited February 2022

    cridgit said:

    Maybe they should call that "downdating". I had one today: filed a ticket a few days ago and it was fixed today (which I'm happy about, don't get me wrong). But the DIM downdate came throught empty. It's Industrial Pneumatic Tools in case you see the update: don't download until they put some files inside it :-)

    Did you happen to report it so they can fix it? If not we can.

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