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...that's part of the plan with my upgrade to a point. I'm leaving room for an additional 64 GB for when for I can get my hands on an A6000 at a good price when the new generation is released.
Kyoto Kid, you should definitely pick one for me too!
And I am guessing you are not talking about the smart phone.
You should grab us both one these also.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+PRO+5995WX&id=4764
Did I mention craft beer? I could send you some if you buy us some of these fine components...
Additional thoghts on future proof:
If investing in a case, one that can support up to E-ATX might be nice.
Also there are some interesting "dual system" cases and dual system power supplies on the market. This allows a second system (ITX Motherboard) in the same case. That could be a nice reuse of CPU, RAM, cooler etc for the next round.
Might make a difference for folks who do not sell their computer to buy the next, they keep it.
Thus buying a monitor with multiple inputs helps for this additional ITX system.
And... Your old 8088? You are using it yes? I am sure you future proofed it.
Speaking of mind bending computational computing power...
I hope to reveal a build I did, fairly soon. I announce this to give you time, so you can fireproof your socks.
Sorry for the late reply, to tell the truth when I was rendering with the 2080ti I was still using poser. The flaky 30 series support in Poser was what prompted me to switch back to DS. Plus I wanted to try this new fangled genesis figure.
Case material doesn't matter for cooling. Cheiftec used to make a case in steel and aluminium versions, temps were the same. Might help with the weight though, mine weighs about the same as a washing machine...
Future proofing is something I tend not to worry about, I use a board and CPU for 5-8 years and then use it for something else for a while. When it's upgrade time most of the system is properly out of date. I've just freed up a Q6600 if you want it, I'll even throw in the Athlon 64 X2 from off the top of the cupboard. I do GPUs more often but I aim for twice the performance of what I'm currently using unless I drop on a deal.
...most definitely not the 7 year old Lenovo smartphone of the same name.
As to the Threadripper, a CPU that draws more power tha my Titan X, I'd need liquid nitrogen cooling for that.
Ah you are talking to someone living in the "Cradle of Craft Brewing" (Oregon) Here you can't swing a dead (or living) capybara around your head without hitting a brewpub.
However to even get an A6000 means hitting at least 5 numbers out of 6 on the Megabucks Lotto with the pari-mutuel amount up around 1,200$ and the 4x kicker.
BTW, my 12 year old P-193 has room to support and E-ATX MB. Before the new hardware requirements for W11 were posted, I was looking at going the route of dual 12 core Xeon CPUs and 128 GB of memory, (expandable to 256). Carrara rendering would have been entertaining to watch.
Normally I am not worried about buying used GPUs. In fact ALL of the previous GPUs I bought were from ebay. It was only last year when I bought my very first new GPU.
But things are different today, and while a "good" miner would take care of their hardware and undervolt, mining is still very harsh on the VRAM component. So the GPU chip can be totally fine but the memory might be leaning on the edge. It is certainly possible to get a good used GPU, but I don't think I want to take that chance. Besides that I would never want to help a miner by purchasing their used card...it is simply the principle of the matter here. Miners are the biggest reason for this mess, and I refuse to buy their sloppy seconds and potentially bail them out when the market is drying up for them.
However, there can be exceptions. Most people here are talking about used cards not having a warranty. This is not always true. EVGA will honor the warranty on a second hand GPU. They will even do so if the card was used for mining. Without a proof of purchase they will use the serial number's date of manufacture. Their warranty is the standard 3 years.
That means that every EVGA Ampere GPU in existence is still in fact under warranty, even if you buy it used. Even the day one 3090s still have over a year left.
I have used their warranty myself. As I said before, every GPU I bought previously was used. That includes the EVGA 1080ti I bought in 2018. At some point in 2019 a lightning strike killed this card. I contacted EVGA, they took the info and gave me no hassle whatsoever in setting up the RMA. All I had to do was pay to ship the card to them, which I felt was quite fair. They even paid to ship the replacement back to me! So I was only out the $20 it took to ship, and that was it.
This process took just under two weeks. Not bad for a GPU that I bought used off ebay. It certainly opened my eyes towards their stuff for future purchases. I would have bought the EVGA 3090, but given how insane the market was I had to get what I could. I wasn't going to pay a scalper, I managed to get lucky and score a Founder's 3090 at MSRP $1500. I added a 3060 later, and this time it was EVGA.
The 3060 released much later, too. If you buy a used EVGA 3060 today, well you still have over half of its warranty. However 3060s are still holding their value in the used market, so buying them used is still not a fantastic deal. But the option is there if by chance you find a good deal from a reputable seller.
That is another issue. Scams seem to be on the rise these days. This can be true for new cards as well. You may have some places that are repacking cards and selling them as "new" even when they are not. Or you may find sellers that are just straight up scams that take your money. So even buying new can have pitfalls. You need to be careful about who you buy from, new or used.
...with the Pro "A" Series not much worry about "abuse" as miners tended to shy away from them due to the high initial cost. a 3090 with 24GB of VRAM had an MSRP of 1,500$ which is about about 750$ less than an A5000 with the same VRAM. This is why the markup of the A series primarily reflected the effect of the chip shortage. For example The 16 GB A4000 was priced at an average of around 150$ - 175$ above MSRP while to the 12 GB 3060 in some cases had it's price inflated by a factor of 3 or more (I saw several selling for over 1,000$).
Granted these cards tend to hold their value a bit more but still see somewhat of a markdown among used ones when a new generation is released.
Yeah I pretty much stick with EVGA myself because of the warranty.
Oddbob, it really is hard to compare then and now like you mentioned - all things considered. I am on a yearly or every other year upgrade cycle on more than one computer so I have to be on it. Trying to lay the foundations of case and power supplies though for (who knows) hopefully ten years or so. I like aluminum as it is lighter and nice in various ways although I am not sure I am going that way as it is just one factor.
That's part of why I ended up going with an A5000 over a 3090, in addition to being absolutely unwilling to buy a 3-slot card.
Kyoto Kid, I thought it would be fun to pretend to buy one of those cards on an imaginary workstation - in this case a Lenovo.
See attached image - oddly it is moving around so it might be on my reply to Outrider42?
Wow, definitely ups the price. Passmark 3D score is just under a RTX 3070 which is interesting. Guessing for the right apps it really rocks it though. 300 watts (max) and one fan. It would be interesting to try one or two. E-ATX definitely opens up the rhelm of dual processor, Thread ripper and content creator level systems.
Outrider42, wow that was a lucky score, a founders addition at that price - like flying through the eye of the needle to find a needle in a haystack!
I am like you and am willing to buy used if it makes sense, particularly on eBay. I look occasionally yet the prices have not made sense for quite some time.
I have shopped eBay for a long time, you definitely have to sift and be careful on electronics.
I am glad you mentioned the EVGA warranty (I had not heard that or forgot) that is awesome.
Gordig and Kyoto Kid, I am not sure I really gave these cards a chance because of price and perhaps rumors they are not as fast for rendering for the "free" programs we use - compared to gamer cards. Plus in my old workstation days they were not that great it turned out. That was years ago though. I got the impression they "might" be faster for high end stuff. Although, the impression that stuck with me was they may or may not be faster, yet you could could get support for the card and the highend program - accountability. You could get answers if you got stuck and move forward. And that was built into the price.
Your take on this might be really really different and that would be fun to hear.
...my basic take is VRAM = speed and the more you have, the less a chance of a job falling to the CPU slow lane. Particularly when you work on high quality "epic" style scenes as I create that would take longer to optimise everything in them than the render process on a better card would take. About the only postwork I do is adding some effects, brushes, or filters. Actual "digital painting" is out as I no linger have steady hand for that.
Even so YMMV when it comes to rendering time based on the type and complexity of the scene. I have one scene which took about half the VRAM of my Titan X and was still under the system's memory limit, that took over an hour and a half to render because of all the ray bounces (as it was dimly lit an interior scene) as well as has a number of emissive sources. I even optimised what I could by removing items not in the camera's plane of view like walls and the ceiling to minimise the number of reflected rays.
EVGA are also the only manufacturer that have explicitly stated that fitting a water block or similar won't void the warranty unless you physically damage the card in the process. They no longer have a UK office though and returns have to go to Germany which can get expensive. In the UK there's a chain called CEX who buy and sell electronics and offer a 24 month warranty on used parts. A 3090 FE from there is currently 2/3 new MRSP. Ebay has become a nest of vipers on both sides, FB marketplace is safer now.
outrider42
The irony is... if you buy a used card directly from EVGA (their "b-stock"), you only get 1 year of warranty... hmmmm.....
All B-Stock products include a 1 Year Limited Warranty. Warranty Terms
Now of course, the cards they are selling "could" be 2 years old alread, thus just getting a solid year of warranty out of them... but I'm not sure the 3080ti cards are even two years old... and they too are limited to a 1 year warranty...
I mean, I am not complaining, per se' as its still a warranty...
The specs on the 3090 are better (more CUDA and RT cores), so their performance is better one-on-one, but the A series has a much lower power draw, is only two slots, and supposedly scale better, meaning that the performance difference diminishes and can even reverse as you add more cards.
Back last 01 Oct 2021 - 01 Jan 2022 about the only RTX 3000 series card thatr was regularly available was the PNY 12GB RTX 3060 model going for over $600 MRSP. The same card is now less than $400. And no doubt that's not the end of the price deflation for video cards.
PNY NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB Single Fan Graphics Card VCG306012SFXPPB - Best Buy