NEW Pricing for 30x0 Series Sub $1000 3090 Sighting!
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I've held off on the Nvidia RTX 3xxx range so far cause I hate paying above MSPR for anything. I've half thought of getting a 3060 12TB card (which I probably will) to hold me off until the 4xxx drop (Sept) and become widely available at MSRP or below (Nov/Dec?)
Anyway, There look to be some nice GPU deals for prime day... Tons of RTX 3090s in the $1300 range. Even Saw a 3070Ti (8gb) for $440. Its not 'just' Amazon either... all the other online retailers are having to lower prices to stay competative.
Anyone else pulling the trigger?
Two nice tools to help price search
https://slickdeals.net/computer-deals/
https://camelcamelcamel.com/search?sq=RTX+3090
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..yeah, a 3090 would be nice and barely fit my case besides a new MB, which also means new CPU and new memory I'd also need a new PSU to handle a 350w card and no doubt some sort of aftermarket cooling solution for the 3090. .
However I already have a 12 GB 3060 which uses about 1/3 the power, so I'm content for now.
1,300 $ would also be more than the current system upgrade for W11 I'm already looking at.
Bugger, yet another 502 error , seems Daz has some upgrading to consider
I almost pulled the trigger yesterday (7/12/22) on an Asus RTX-3080, 12GB, OC for $1000 (Yeah, I know, one can now find an MSI RTX-3080 for ~$800, but I like Asus.)
But then I remembered that I could find more productive things to spend $1000 on, like ..., um..., perhaps..., one of those..., or a..., and I could really use a..., hmmm..., I'll get back to you.
Edited to add: I did however, finally order an Asus RTX-3060, 12GB, 2-fan graphics card for $425*. So now MommaBear can have a decent graphics card to go along with PoppaBear's 3-fan Asus RTX-3060, OC. And Momma's current GTX-1660 can be moved to BabyBear. And with that, the whole Bear family are "moving on up to the East Side ♫". Wheee...
* And since I ordered on "Prime Day" I've got 12 months to pay it off, and I get a whole 1% more bonus points on my Amazon Store Card, whoopti-do.
Edited again to add even more: And now this morning I see that Amazon has an Asus 3080 10GB card for ~$850.
@LeatherGryphon FWIW I think you made a good choice with the 3060 over the 3080. Now that I'm starting to understand how DAZ renders, I'm more inclined to optimize for RAM over speed and that extra 2GB of RAM makes me jealous.
Also not sold on the 4xxx cards yet. Specs I saw was 24GB RAM in the 4090, 16GB in the 4080, and 10GB in the 4070. Optimizing for RAM, I don't see the value of a 4xxx over a current gen 3090.. especially if my goal is to render my epic scenes on the GPU and not the CPU.
Thanks for the heads up.. wandering over to Amazon to "window shop"..
It mostly depends on your current hardware. Upgrading to 30x0 from a 10/16x0 is a huge improvement. Upgrading from say a 2080ti to anything but a 3090 would have been less dramatic, and even then unless you are rendering huge scenes, it's probably worth holding out. For folks who skipped the 30x0 cards, the 40x0 generation will be a more substantial upgrade, for about the same money.
I ended up gettin a 3070 ti not too long ago,so I am done until 5xx probably. 4xxx will have to bring something huge to the table, like triple the VRAM for non-scalper prices for me to even consider it.
Sometimes, the latest & greatest isn't the wisest until revision 2.
Good point and nice implied point about skipping GPU generations. Statistically, I love the idea of 24GB of VRAM; but it can wait till I need a 50x0 to render Victoria 10 with heartbeat and breathing dynamics in 5D
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The rumors are that the 4060,
For Comparison, the 3070 has about 5888 CUDA cores and the 3080 has and 8960.
I'd love to swing for the fences and get a 4090, but if I can get close to 3080 performance with 12gb of VRAM for a price of about $375, it'd be hard to pass up.
Sadly, the x060 cards are always the last to be produced and let loose on the market... so we are realistically talking 1st quarter of 2023 before they would arrive.
Sigh...
....I've skipped the last two..
Reading this today, it brings home again two issues for me:
1. I can't afford to buy any non-essentials at this time because of COLA and now my beloved American Eskimo is on his last few days of life (Vet bills).
2. I have a 1080ti card in my Dragon that a friend put together for me in 2017, and I paid for the components, but have no clue what would be needed to upgrade it for a better card, regardless of what level.
So, could someone list the components in a desktop that I would need to replace or upgrade at some point next year?
That way I can make a concerted effort to save for a upgrade and know what I really need before I walk into Micro Center and turn my Dragon over to them to do their thing and not have something added in that is not necessary.
Thank you.
Mary
If your current computer was built in 2017, I don't think you need anything more than a RTX 3060 12GB, and 32-64GB's of RAM, the 3060 and 32GB's of RAM you could have under 500 USD. If you went with 64GB's of RAM it would add another hundred,
Day after prime day and the Gigabyte and EVGA RTX-3090's are still at $1300.
@memcneil70 I agree with @PerttiA but don't be surprised if you end up needing a new power supply for that card.
Funny enough, I was just customizing a new computer and found that adding 64GB of RAM to the 64 GB it already had would only cost an extra $150. Boy, that's a no brainer.
Thank you @PerttiA, @Kwerkx, and @frank0314.
I was in Micro Center earlier today to scoop up four WD 4Tb external hard drives for $79.99 and then spent the rest of the afternoon getting one to install on my MBP M1. I am now backing up my DAZ content onto that. The other three will be portioned out amongst the other computers.
The Dragon is a 64gb RAM already, and when we were picking out components I did insist on extra cooling. Another customer thought the sales guy was trying to pad my purchase, until I told him what I planned to do on the computer. Then he understood. And that is the source of the name, it roars like a dragon when on.
Mary
I'm not. Because I need a Apple laptop that takes priority.
Looks like the Prime Day "SALES" was just the precurser to NVIDIA dropping the price of the upper end of the 30x0 line in preps for the 40x0 Line up coming in the fall...
More here
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-30-price-cuts
Just be careful if you buy anything with the M1 chip, it won't work with UltraScenery XT products at this time.
And I have found the MacBookPro M1 is very sensitive to DIM and D|S crashing, if you are going to store content in external drives. I have had one WD 5Tb completely destroyed, and another one 8Tb desk hard drive, I have had to nurse back with Disk Utility. That is why I bought the 4Tb My Passports, to split backups onto separate drives for safety. And that is only with a small portion of my content installed. Downloading products by DIM is one item at a time for safety now. Then installing one at a time. And then overnight making the backups.
Actually I believe the price free fall is just starting. Because while a number of small time crypto miners are selling to cut their costs, the really big crypto farms still have a lot of inventory that have yet to sell.
When those cards hit the market, a real crash will hit like we have never seen before.
Just a couple days ago Nvidia "quietly" gave several cards new lower MSRPs, meaning that the prices you guys are seeing right now are a direct result of that.
Unless somebody NEEDS a GPU right now, I would pass on these "deals". If you have waited this long...why not wait a little longer?
Watch for the 4000 series announcement. When that happens, we should see a big sell off that will knock prices down even more. This happened when the 3000 series was announced. Remember that? When they announced the 3000 series people started selling 2080tis for as little as $500. Things were going as normal until the crypto boom exploded, which just so happened to be right after the 3000 launch.
In my opinion, that is the time to strike if you want them at their cheapest.
Unless the cards are brand new and can be verified as such, I would refrain from purchasing them and wait. No sense in getting ripped off or buying a card that most likely has a shortened lifespan just to save money. I'm fairly certain that the 4000 series cards will at least be slightly cheaper than the 3000 series were when they were first released. Nvidia made a killing with the 3000 series cards, so I'm willing to bet that they're going to drop the prices a little in order to sell those cards over the mining cards that are going to be hitting the market.
There is one computer-tech video channel I watch that said you may not be ABLE to wait until the 40-series cards launch to get a good deal on 30-series, because Nvidia want to clear all the 30-series cards out of stock so you HAVE to buy 40-series cards. In the very least, the 30-series cards might get very, very scarse well before then, so he recommended not waiting that long. 0o
Somewhat off-topic, it's still weird to me that the next generation will purportedly be "Ada Lovelace". None of the previous generations had full names: the current generation isn't Andre-Marie Ampere, nor the previous Alan Turing, and so on. Also, Ada and Ampere both start with an A, so there's potential for confusion as well.
Originally they were just "Lovelace", but they realized that there was a very famous "adult entertainment" star named Linda Lovelace, so they made the name a bit more specific.
Thanks for the heads up. I won't be using it with DAZ Studio. Just Unity, UE, and maybe other game engines. There'll be exported DAZ content. And generic computer programs. It'll be my only Apple computer (not counting iPhones, Apple TV, Apple Watch) I buy unless Apple does something like make 64 bit hardware and software obsolete soon like they did with their 32 bit hardware & software. I think that is a long ways off. I've read the reviews on the M1 chip and it's midways fast, CPU wise not GPU wise, of the AMD Ryzen 7 2700 that I had last year and the AMD Ryzen 7 5700G I have now, so it's more than enough.
I was planning on getting 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD but if you've even used Unity or UE then you know a 512GB SSD is laughably too small if you mess around with a lot of those free sample Unity and UE sample projects. I have a WD 5TB HDD I was going to use on one of the USB-C ports, eventually upgrading to a 4TB USB-C SSD. That combo should do me 10 years easily really.
It depends on the situation though. Every GPU I bought up until my 3090 was used, and never had an issue. You just to look at who you are buying from. TALK to them and ask them questions. Use your judgement. Not every seller has owned the cards for 2 years, in fact no 3000 card is even 2 years old yet. Remember how hard to get they were. It is very possible the seller only got the card less than a year ago. And if they did get at launch, then they are probably just a high roller gamer who pays any price to have the best. Also, no miner in their right mind would use a 3090 at full power, that would be absurdly stupid and not make any money. A miner is going to undervolt a 3090 a lot.
Though of course there is also the simple morality of not buying from a miner. I personally would have a hard time justifying buying from a miner. The only thing I would want to give a miner is a punch to the face. But that is me.
I think you will be unhappy with 4000 series pricing. We might get a $2000 price on the 4090. The 4080 might push past $1000. I would love to be wrong, but what if I am not? While the 4000 series might be very fast, people are going to be asking themselves if it is worth the price. The 4090 might be twice as fast as a 3090. The 4070 might be as fast as the 3090, and having the x70 match the previous flagship is not a new thing. That is great...unless the prices are not so great.
So if the 4070 does match the 3090, that will certainly cause the value of the 3090 to drop to near 4070 pricing in secondary markets. I would not think twice about buying a used 3090 for $600. Not at all. The 4070 might match it in speed, but it sure will not match the VRAM. Reports are suggesting the 4070 will only have 10gb. not even 12. Gamers don't really care, though some claim they do, the 3000 cards outsold AMD by absolutely silly numbers even though AMD had 3 performance tiers that offered 16gb VRAM. But of course Iray is a different beast, and that 24gb makes a difference for most of us.
If the 3090 drops to $600, and you can grab two for $1200, while the 4090 is asking $2000, why not do the 3090s? Plus the 4090 is supposedly cranking up the power even more than the 3090, so having two 3090s wouldn't use that much more power than the Hungry Hungry Hippo that is the 4090. And you match the VRAM. So about 4090 performance for $800 less...I don't see the issue here, other than potentially giving a miner a dime. (You might get the idea that I don't like miners. You would be wrong. I hate miners.)
Besides that, like I have said before, some brands still honor warranties on second hand cards. Every 3000 series card from EVGA still has over a year on its warranty, even if it was used for mining. There are other brands that honor warranties second hand as well.
I am not saying go run out and buy something, in fact I would suggest waiting for prices to drop more at the very least. I am saying do your research, look at the market, your card, your seller, everything. Then you can make your own informed decision that could potentially save you a lot of money.
Looks like the old double post thing hit me.
So how about I edit this and pop a looping video in.
https://i.imgur.com/7NJKJ1T.mp4
I think the 4000 series comes in at the same MSRP or less than the 3000 series now that the gamers are mostly satisfied and the miners are spinning their bust as something other than what it is. a huge bust. That leaves a much smaller potential pool of buyers for the new 4000 series HW unless the initial year of release has purposely greatly throttled production to make demand seem greater than it actually is for those that want to buy one.
In a perfect world where everyone was honest and all consumers are tech savvy, I would agree with you. However, this is not the case. A seller is going to "google" and tell you everything you want to hear in response to your questions just to get that card sold; especially if they are trying to exit the mining market. There's really no way of knowing what was done to the card by the previous owner.
Sure, they can be undervolted safely and have memory overclocks, but again, we would be assuming they all knew what they were doing with the settings & using cooling solutions that kept the temperatures within a reasonable range for 24/7.
The cards may still be under warranty, but if the manufacturer sees something they don't like after you send it in, you'll be SOL.
No doubt there will be good deals, but I wouldn't be willing to pin my hopes on a warranty that may have already been voided & risk $600 on a card that could potentially die a few months later.
Just know that the rumors / leaks surrounding the RTX 40xx series, is that the 4070 will come with only 10GB of vram, and the 4080 will come with 16GB of vram.. The other is the supposed power requirements of the new cards are supposed to be crazy..
One issue I had with buying a GPU is I bypassed the 20xx series, and waiting on the 30xx series.. Had to wait quite a while due to the ridiculous costs of the GPU's, before I got my 3060..