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  • Maybe a late reaction to the original post, but oh well...  I'm a die-hard 'Ghost in the Shell' fan, I've seen the original anime in the cinema as a kid (which was pretty special because the movie was hardly mainstream, I have no idea how my parents pulled that off) and got immediately overwhelmed with both the awesome animation techniques as well as the overal atmosphere... oh dear.

    I stopped caring ever since it got turned into a "franchise" (never saw the live action movie because... eeew) but I did manage to collect quite a bit of the original stuff.

    Anyway, because of that I also took an interest in this genre; especially because of the amazing atmosphere that more than often gets automatically involved. And as the others mentioned above: there's already quite a bit available in the shop. Of course, on the downside there's so much available that it can be hard to separate the awesome from the generally good stuff.

    For what's it worth....  I'd like to mention some of my favorites.

    https://www.daz3d.com/cyberpunk-unlimited-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

    When the author mentioned "unlimited outfit" they weren't kidding here! The customization features of this critter are massive. It comes with a nice selection of material presets, morphs which you can use and if you want even more than the UV map provides plenty of options to do some geometry adding without suddenly causing crashes or incompatible textures.

    Next we have Niko 8...   I also became quite a fan of both the figure and the world which the authors created around him:

    https://www.daz3d.com/niko-8-cyber-funk-bundle
    https://www.daz3d.com/niko-8-supercharged-cyber-bundle

    It began with the cyberfunk bundle because that seemed to give me the most for my bucks. I took an immediate interest in Niko's "semi masked" appearance. And the nightclub scenery is simply gorgeous. Best part of that scenery is that it has many subections so it's very easy to re-use it for lots of different things. Despite the fact that it's mostly focussed on Iray I also got some really interesting results using 3Delight & Filament.

    So then I decided I wanted more and ended up with the supercharged bundle as well. Those cyber implants are pretty neat.

    And finally....  (I don't want to share yet another small essay ;))

    https://www.daz3d.com/cyber-dream-bundle

    I'm gonna be honest here: the best part of that bundle is the cyber core, that environment is just crazy! Iray only obviously, you can't really get the color effects otherwise. The outfits are very nice as well, but to be perfectly honest I always figured those were lacking a bit. Probably because I got spoiled from the 'unlimited outfit'. Even so...  using Substance Painter can apply some seriously good effects on those suits, making them very well worth it. 

    But yah, there's already a lot of good stuff available!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ...Biopunk? 

  • csaacsaa Posts: 824
    edited December 2022

    maikdecker said:

    So, no, I wouldn't expect the mostly american or for americans producing PAs to deliver some German Cyberpunk settings to me... but why not try to break the boundaries a bit?

     maikdecker,

    I can't help but agree whole heartedly. Apart from enjoying the Anglo take on sci-fi and cyberpunk, I also keep an eye on Japanese anime and manga sources. Could you recommend a few writers/illustrators active in this genre? I've only seen Jean-Claude Mézières graphic novels, a few sci-fi comics from Czechoslovakia ... probably not a wide enough of a reprsentative of European content.

    Cheers!

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    csaa said:

    Could you recommend a few writers/illustrators active in this genre?

    Sorry, I can't... I've been reading tons of SciFi & Fantasy in the 70's to the 90's, but after gathering about a thousand paperbacks I somehow got out of it a bit. Getting old and seeing that those visions of the near future manage to fail utterly to become reality 95% of the time proved just too depressing...

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ..yeah, according to those old predictions space travel was to be like getting on an aeroplane, we could take vacations on the moon, there would be free "clean" energy (atomic of course), we'd have gleaming new cities with mile high skyscrapers, all disease would be cured, war would be a thing of the past, and everyone would have a flying car.

    Only the latter seems to be on the verge of happening.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    kyoto kid said:

    Only the latter seems to be on the verge of happening.

    Flying cars? Nah.. way too many security problems. Just check how all those "Drone Deliveries" worked out right now. If the - limited - airspace above cities would get filled by automated flying vehicles, the risks for accident grow exponentially with the number of flying vehicles. And non-auotmated vehicles would offer no advantages.

    There is a limited use of transport drones possible which drop their load on the flat tops of skyscrapers, but who in his right mind would order stuff to be dropped on the sidewalk in front of their house, where everybody could just grab it... oh, wait... that's what happenening with quite a few delivery services who just do that with surface deliveries already... (not hereabouts though, where delivery has to be approved and signed for...)

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited December 2022

     Biggest problem with flying cars is that the look like ground cars. An airship can't be built like this. You need clear visibility for the pilot. If any kind of flying device were to ever become as common as are cars, it'd be built more like a helicopter with a fully transparent cockpit instead of like a car with a big hood/trunk obstructing visibility.

    Like this, minus the rotor:

     

     

    Airplanes have protruding noses because you have to put propellers and radars somewhere, also they fly very fast so aerodynamics are huge concern. Also, they don't fly in tight spaces. Sci-fi and cyberpunk flightcars are built like road vehicles, though. Except they fly.

     

    It's absolutely unlikely to ever see a flying "car" built as they are built in fiction even if flying is going to be a primary way of transportation.

     

    The Orville commuter pods are great design for this. You can see where are you flying.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200
    edited December 2022

    maikdecker said:

    kyoto kid said:

    Only the latter seems to be on the verge of happening.

    Flying cars? Nah.. way too many security problems. Just check how all those "Drone Deliveries" worked out right now. If the - limited - airspace above cities would get filled by automated flying vehicles, the risks for accident grow exponentially with the number of flying vehicles. And non-auotmated vehicles would offer no advantages.

    There is a limited use of transport drones possible which drop their load on the flat tops of skyscrapers, but who in his right mind would order stuff to be dropped on the sidewalk in front of their house, where everybody could just grab it... oh, wait... that's what happenening with quite a few delivery services who just do that with surface deliveries already... (not hereabouts though, where delivery has to be approved and signed for...)

    ...oh I wholeheartedly agree about flying cars given the difficulty i see people having just tryng to control them on the ground..   

    ...and don't get me going about autonomous systems like the Tesla™ autopilot, we've seen how that's worked.

    However, there are still people and even companies working on personal flying vehicles.

    PixelSploiting said:

     Biggest problem with flying cars is that the look like ground cars. An airship can't be built like this. You need clear visibility for the pilot. If any kind of flying device were to ever become as common as are cars, it'd be built more like a helicopter with a fully transparent cockpit instead of like a car with a big hood/trunk obstructing visibility.

    Like this, minus the rotor:

    Airplanes have protruding noses because you have to put propellers and radars somewhere, also they fly very fast so aerodynamics are huge concern. Also, they don't fly in tight spaces. Sci-fi and cyberpunk flightcars are built like road vehicles, though. Except they fly.

    It's absolutely unlikely to ever see a flying "car" built as they are built in fiction even if flying is going to be a primary way of transportation.

    The Orville commuter pods are great design for this. You can see where are you flying.

    ...actually the design ofpersonal flying vehicles (which some refer to as "flying cars") are being developed along similar lines to quad and hexa rotor drones only larger and more powerful.  . 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495
    edited December 2022

    if it were just a matter of personal transport you wouldn't need a flying car just a suit with propulsion and/or wings

    (and parachute)

     

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    kyoto kid said:

    ...oh I wholeheartedly agree about flying cars given the difficulty i see people having just tryng to control them on the ground..   

    ...and don't get me going about autonomous systems like the Tesla™ autopilot, we've seen how that's worked.

    However, there are still people and even companies working on personal flying vehicles.

    There's also people working on short trips into Earth's low orbit, but still it won't become "a thing" for 99.9% of humankind, just because of the lack of money. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to put all the energy and money developing such playthings for the rich into other fields of research, like how to keep humans from multiplying at a pace, that makes feeding them all a worldwide problem...

    ...actually the design of personal flying vehicles (which some refer to as "flying cars") are being developed along similar lines to quad and hexa rotor drones only larger and more powerful.  . 

    So.. a toy for those of "us" who have too much money to spend and no ordinary life... because... just imagine a young mother trying to fit her baby, the stroller and all the extras (diapers and whatnots..) into this tight carriage to go for a walk in the park wink

    I don't expect to see something like that on german streets anywhen soon, just because of safety regulations.. those open rotors are an accident in the making, when one of those things comes down in an area filled with pedestrians...

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited December 2022

    Yeah. In general it's not allowed to fly too often over urban zones, unless necessary.

    Aircraft have this unnerving ability to fall down onto things and people, hence airports have designated air corridors and other flyers are heavily regulated too.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    maikdecker said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...oh I wholeheartedly agree about flying cars given the difficulty i see people having just tryng to control them on the ground..   

    ...and don't get me going about autonomous systems like the Tesla™ autopilot, we've seen how that's worked.

    However, there are still people and even companies working on personal flying vehicles.

    There's also people working on short trips into Earth's low orbit, but still it won't become "a thing" for 99.9% of humankind, just because of the lack of money. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to put all the energy and money developing such playthings for the rich into other fields of research, like how to keep humans from multiplying at a pace, that makes feeding them all a worldwide problem...

    ...actually the design of personal flying vehicles (which some refer to as "flying cars") are being developed along similar lines to quad and hexa rotor drones only larger and more powerful.  . 

    So.. a toy for those of "us" who have too much money to spend and no ordinary life... because... just imagine a young mother trying to fit her baby, the stroller and all the extras (diapers and whatnots..) into this tight carriage to go for a walk in the park wink

    I don't expect to see something like that on german streets anywhen soon, just because of safety regulations.. those open rotors are an accident in the making, when one of those things comes down in an area filled with pedestrians...

    ..again I agree, but the States where I live is known for its excesses  Ther are a number of designs being worked on paricularly for "flying taxis" that include each of the rotors being housed within a ring. I wold place these in the categor of ultralight aircraft which while not requiring a pilot's licence do have a number of restrictions on operations.  

    • Fly in daytime VFR conditions only
    • Must remain in uncontrolled airspace
    • Comply with all FAA NOTAMs*
    • Cannot fly over cities, towns or large groups of people
    • Cannot create a hazard to other people or property
    • Must yield the right-of-way to all other aircraft

    " notice containing information essential to personnel concerned with flight operations

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited December 2022

    Not being able to fly over cities and only fly in clear daylight conditions alone is going to axe the idea of selling this as an aerial equivalent of cars.

    I wonder why no one tried going the dirigible/blimp route for any kind of modern aerial busses. They are far more safe than heavier than air aircraft. They no longer have to use hydrogen, you can even use electrically heated air for them.

     

    I suppose the idea wasn't hight tech enough.

     

     

    I can't imagine routinely using anything light and flyable anywhere around the North Sea and Northen Atlantic with the usual weather.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    PixelSploiting said:

    I suppose the idea wasn't hight tech enough.

    Yeah.. to simple, probably... the same reason why people rather go for a shiny Tesla than an more "basic" but more cost effcient E car... And maybe the lack of education leading to the "Blimp = Zeppelin = Hindenburg =  BOOOOM!" idea wink

    I can't imagine routinely using anything light and flyable anywhere around the North Sea and Northen Atlantic with the usual weather.

    Well, by definition a Zeppelin/Blimp is light... lighter than air in fact, which makes it fly wink and they managed to cross the Atlantic a couple times without problems, apart from the travel time... faster than a ship, but not to be compared with modern planes..

    But going on that trip with something like that maxi-drone would be quite risky, I agree..

  • csaacsaa Posts: 824
    edited December 2022

    MimicMolly,

    Your term "SOLARPUNK" caught my attention after I read an article about videogames:

    There's potential, however, for game developers to introduce a new genre into their repertoire: solarpunk, a literary and artistic movement that defies the dystopian leanings of cyberpunk and other "punk" settings in favor of depicting decentralized, eco-friendly, and beautiful societies of the future. Designers looking to build games around the solarpunk genre have a rich array of visuals to draw from - communities with colorful, retro architecture, advanced technology co-mingling with greenery, and plausibly utopian-leaning social systems.

    ... the movement's true beginnings to a 2012 Brazilian short story anthology titled Solarpunk: Ecological and Fantastical Stories in a Sustainable World. Solarpunk stories consciously reject the neon grime of classic cyberpunk and the white sterile corridors of classic sci-fi settings in favor of futures that are vibrant and hopeful, while still feeling tantalizingly plausible.

    ... Additionally, many Afrofuturist creatives have adopted trappings of the solarpunk genre to build hypothetical worlds where futuristic technology mingles with traditional African architecture, artwork, and fashion, as is seen in the fictional country of Wakanda from Black Panther.

    Certainy solarpunk sounds like something different! I'd be interested in a Daz asset set like that. In fact, looking around, I saw a request for such a while back.

    Cheers!

     

    MimicMolly said:

     

    I'm more interested in similar ones like solarpunk, when it comes to DAZ renders. (The mix of nature and futurism is way more versatile when you add or remove elements.) DAZ Cyberpunk tends to be dark, gritty, and neon, and that usually takes way too long to render. Of course, I don't like the fashion the humanoid characters tend to wear in this genre. There's other things I personally dislike, but I feel it would be nitpicking at this point.

    I don't like Steampunk either. The overuse of browns is boring. I feel this way towards "Gothic" too with its overuse of black.

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