Shouldn't both sex promos for G9 become standard?
Rod Wise Driggo
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Was just wondering. There have been two hairs released just recently which might work well on the female side of G9:
https://www.daz3d.com/marty-mane-hair-for-genesis-8-male-and-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/tico-male-bun-hair-for-genesis-9-males
Was wondering why the Tico hair has "G9M" in the name. Just an old habit maybe?
But more important I see both hairstyles absolutely suitable for females as well but did not find female promos.
Therefore, shouldn't it become a standard to feature unisex products on both male and femal at least once in G9 promos?
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probably the hairline but I am one of those unfortunate women with a sparse forehead and sides, not balding just always has been
Sure but exactly for that reason it would be helpful to see how the particular hair/cloth/whatever might look on the opposite sex.
Not necessarily helpful to the seller if it doesn't look good... if i was selling it and it did look good on both sexes i wouldn't be allowing such a oversight.
It would help sales quite a lot for male characters certainly, and female characters too, though not nearly as much.
well I am already dressing all Genesis 9 genders in mostly G2M clothing because it's what I have a lot of
did some Genesis 1, G3 and 8 male too
may crossdress some robes but tend to be a bit less kinky in my renders these days
(used to go full Rocky Horror)
Don't hold your breath waiting for a standard.
There's a couple things to keep in mind here :)
PAs don't have to support both genders if they don't want to. As long as it fits on the gender they designed it for and advertise for - that's good enough.
The morph projections works pretty well for the opposite gender on the G9 mesh, so as a rule if it fits on the base shape it will fit reasonably well on both genders
BUT if the product wasn't designed with the other gender in mind there's no reason to expect the PA to support all the shapes.
So if there HAS to be a standard then I would say yes - have one promo on the base shape, and a promo to show off the gender it was created for. If it works on the other gender, great - that's a bonus - show it off by all means, but its not required.
Hi Mada, looking forward to see your work for G9
I doubt any PA would want to blatantly label any item as 'G9F' / 'G9M' exclusive, as it kills the whole purpose of advertising G9 as a unisex base.
I know it's not fair to say that a lot of G9 clothes released before M9 are clearly (or should I say mainly) for the female base of G9, so I won't. I still look forward to see how clothes and hair look on both sexes though. Some may find it odd / outrageous / absurd but as a customer being advertised that G9 is unisex base I sure want to see for myself before buying
It's worth reiterating that it's my personal focus that obsesses about the Unisex base. It's what I'm super excited about.
Like, the Michael 9 promos don't show feminine versions of Michael 9... that's not the product.
Some products are going to be focused on a single gender. It's not wrong, it's the style of that product.
But I'm thrilled that I can grab that product and run for the hills cackling to make it into all sorts of things, and I'm thrilled about the much greater ability to do so.
But there's two promos showing feminine versions of Michael 9 though.
Yes - but its up to the PA if they want to render it or not - its not a standard feature. The hair mentioned in this article is a great example - its clearly not a female hairstyle even though it would fit on the female base. Its extra hours work to set up a promo render which imo is a waste of time, same as setting up a render with one of the males in a bikini. Can it be done? yes... Should it? that's debatable, its really not serving a purpose other than showing it fits on the shape.
Spending more time adds to the price, especially if you keep track of how much you're getting paid per hour spent on a product.
I'm going to toss another thought into the pile. Its a unisex base yes - which you can make anything you want on. M9 has none of the masculine morph in it. V9 has none of the feminine morph in. They're sculpted from scratch. The feminine and masculine morphs are there as a starter base morph - but they're not a base figure like Genesis 8 male and Genesis 8 Female. So which female and which male are you going to show it on? the starter genders? M9? V9? What if the PA doesn't own them.
With the base shape set up the way it is, its very easy for something to fit on pretty much anything, including the corgi. In the end its going to be up to the PA to show the vision they had when creating the item.
I think this advertises a message of gender identity confusion to buyers. A unibase geometry is a purely technical thing, and that is as far is it goes for me. If you're going to promo a male character, please advertise as male.
In the end that's why PAs are doing this - to earn money. Extra promos are extra hours setting up - and at some point you have to decide if the return is worth the time spent on doing them :)
If that is the case, I'd rather have promos that show the poly counts or UVs or clay renders or even list the morphs included in case something is left out of the product description, than those "artistic renders" as promo images. But I know DAZ has its rules when it comes to presentation, and many customers tend to buy art rather than assets to make art.
when g9 was first announced, i was fairly enthusiastic. but now i don't see the point for the reason this thread has been created.
if clothes or characters are going to be made for "feminine" or "masculine", it's the same thing as having the separate genders. it's just now more confusing.
some g8f clothes don't fit g8f when they have small breasts, and some don't fit properly when they have large breasts. i can see with g9 that male clothing might look warped on feminine g9 and female clothing might warp on masculine g9. correct me if i'm wrong, because i haven't used it much as there's not many clothes out strictly made for g9 so i'll give it the benefit of the dout. i'm not trying to be judgy, but i'd still be a bit surprised if this got "fixed" for g9 (i know it's often the result of PA morphs).
but if things ARE made separately (masculine vs feminine) - well, i just don't see the point of making things confusing by having one "figure" when you still buy clothing for the different genders anyway.
it feels like when tablets were released and they had SIM cards in them so you could use them to make calls. you COULD use it as a phone. or you COULD use it as a tablet. but in the end, you never carried it around with you because your phone fit in your pocket easier so it became more of a gimmick in the house than anything. and then collected dust.
i bought the g9 stuff, but i tend to slide back to g8.1 at the moment. i feel like it'll collect dust for a while.
Clothing fit just fine no matter which gender it is - that is the advantage of using G9. Nobody said that it won't fit on the other gender. What I AM saying is that making it a requirement to render both when its really doesn't work for the other gender is a waste of time.
Plus there are a number of threads where people can ask for the renders they would like to see and someone will accomodate.
I know, but when I experamented with a female version of M9, ya lost me with the hair on the chest of the female chest skin. Hairy legs maybe but hairy chest and a 5 oclock shadow, not so much
I someone makes a shirt for the G9 female shape and provides a chequer texture with, say, six squares of the texture from the top to the bottom of the breast, and then fits that shirt onto a flat chested shape, those six squares of texture still have to fit from the top to the bottom of the breast area, so they are going to get squashed . I guess an alternative chequer texture could be created which has fewer squares from top to bottom of the breast, so that the sqares even out on a flat chest but that's clearly extra work. I don't see any way to avoid this.
I think it's the same as when poses are showcased for "Victoria 8.1" it doesn't mean you can't use those poses on any Genesis 8.1 female. It just means that they were designed with that character in mind. Likewise with new 9.0 hairstyles and clothing. They might (and probably do) work on both male and female characters, but they were probably designed with a certain body and head shape in mind.
Really? I don't see that on those promos.
This, I think to some people it will just be darn confusing. "I want a dude... what in the heck is it they are selling?"
Also the promos of what appears to be a male with breasts in a bikini top - I think Daz might want to re-evaluate what they deem as professionally work safe.
Some of us have no interest in that. I rarely render males and don't purchase male clothing much either, so when I am looking for something to purchase, I am usually looking for something for females and as such want to see the promos for females only. I am NOT a fan on the unisex figure that G9 is, so I have yet to jump on the G9 bandwagon, but I know I will eventually and hopefully when I do I will be able to filter out just female or male when I am looking for contant and will support PAs that do this also
It's only confusing if you view DAZ characters as individuals, rather than just another 3D asset that you can use to suit your needs. I'm glad I've always seen them as a mix of as-is characters or salvageable parts.
I tend to be one of those people who take a skin from a "character" and combine a couple of morphs to make my own characters that are close to whatever I imagine. Not sure about you guys, but there were occasionally really cool/interesting skins for characters of the opposite gender that I would've liked to use. (Like that Fi for Daisy 8, for a male.) Fortunately, there are UV swap products that helped, but when I wanted the character to be "complete" I had to make do with GIMP. So yeah, I appreciate having already made male and female options available. Even though, most of my characters are either clearly meant to be cis males or cis females.
Uh, you can't do a toplrss promo. Pull up a G9 female shape in daz and put the Michael 9 SKIN with the female chest skin and there is hair on that chest. Not much b ut it still appears to be there.