The History of Daz 3D - Where We Have Been and Where We Are Going

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,569

    Of course, I somehow already have 74 pages of Daz stuff in my library. Not sure, but I think I might be ok.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,143

    Torquinox said:

    Of course, I somehow already have 74 pages of Daz stuff in my library. Not sure, but I think I might be ok.

    you made me look - 224 pages. I've been here since the beginning though.  A very long history. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,288

    As usual, I don't remember a single thing talked about in that video, but I did enjoy the sponteoneously spawned 3D models made out of paper look that they gave it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200
    edited December 2022

    ...so wondering if this foreshadows Daz going to the Cloud like other software has been heading.

    VR? Meh,  

    I still think they missed the boat when years ago they could have offered two way bridges with Carrara and Bryce.  They already had one with, Hexagon only that programme was so unstable at the time it turned me off from modelling (and to think back then I paid 74$ for it). They could have developed a nice suite of programmes, Daz for character building and morphing, Carrara/Bryce for large scale environmental creation, and (an improved) Hexagon for modelling.

    Instead they offer bridges to software many of us cannot afford (save for Blender which thankfuly rewworked it's UI a few years ago) 

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    I watched this video but whatever message it has is totally lost on me. So DAZ3D has evolved into Tafi? If so, so what? I saw nothing that would encourage me to follow where they are leading me - in fact, quite the opposite: I fear that the days of my interest in this hobby are numbered.

  • marble said:

    I watched this video but whatever message it has is totally lost on me. So DAZ3D has evolved into Tafi? If so, so what? I saw nothing that would encourage me to follow where they are leading me - in fact, quite the opposite: I fear that the days of my interest in this hobby are numbered.

    I don't see any implication that they will stop doing what they are doing in there, just that they intend to use some of it in other ways too.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016

    algovincian said:

    Interesting video showed up on youTube this morning about the history of DAZ, and where they see the future going (Virtual Identity / Ownership with Tafi):

    The paper animation is really cool! Is this sort of thing going to be available as assets in the store?

    - Greg

    Thanks for the link :) I like the video - I loved the paper animations . I don't seem to have the sound problem users here have. The models in the end I recognise as being from Tafi, I use one of the as an avatar in VRChat.

    The target audience is very much not the Daz users group, as reactions here show clearly :)

    FSMCDesigns said:

    Someone tell Tafi to bring their metaverse ideas to Daz Studio since VR integration would be amazing!!

    It would be great yea :) I already do a lot of modeling in VR and its fantastic to test scale and volume iwht. I think it would be awesome to be able jump into the viewport in DS and at least look around.
    The biggest drawback I see is Iray and realtime rendering - very likely not possible to use that - so another display option would have to programmed. Luke Ross is working on a VR mod that uses Alternate Eye Rendering and I'm playing Stray in VR with that and it looks amazing. I hope that is something that could then eventually be applied to Daz Studio.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Daz wants to be the bridge to Web3?

    Might want to rethink that one, guys.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016
    edited December 2022

    Lucky its a moot point in VR and the metaverse :) I just use my trusty jetpack. wink

    I feel so cheated that there's no flying cars in the real world - people are slacking there.

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    VR is fine. I like VR and hope it does become more mainstream. But it has very clear limitations to how many people can practically use it because of the headset itself. But aside from that, VR done right can be mindblowing. The first time I tried VR on a Galaxy phone of all things totally blew me away. That said, I don't see what Daz can do with VR that anybody else cannot do. It just feels like buzz marketing to me.

    The other stuff, though, is just...not. I believe Web3 is going to go down in history very poorly.

    And man, I really hate when marketing uses language like "empowering people". That is so over used in marketing today I just roll my eyes when I hear it. Please find some new buzz words!

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016
    edited December 2022

    There is actually a big need in VR for avatars. The Tafi avatars work very well in VRChat, and I'll hopefully get to play around with the Astra SDK in the near future - see how well the avatars perform and how easy it is to set up my own avatars. 

    No company should have all its eggs in one basket, and Daz is perfectly situated to at least venture into different fields in Web3. I don't get why it upsets people so much if Tafi expands into other fields if it doesn't affect the Daz store side.

    The company is growing and doing well and not just stagnant doing the same thing over and over.

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,569
    edited December 2022

    It's resources. Because when I look in the store, I see you are doing the same thing over and over again.

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  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016
    edited December 2022

    None of the resources goes away from Daz store, in fact the fields they're expanding into brings more resources to spend on improving the Daz side. Its brought in more programmers, and new development - some of which have been of benefit to the Daz store.

    If you mean me personally doing the same thing over and over as a vendor - I don't feel like I'm doing that. What kind of thing would make you feel like its not the same thing over and over again?

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,432
    edited December 2022

    If Daz is funneling profits into Web3, I won't be willfully contributing to it.

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,569

    Mada said:

    None of the resources goes away from Daz store, in fact the fields they're expanding into brings more resources to spend on improving the Daz side. Its brought in more programmers, and new development - some of which have been of benefit to the Daz store.

    If you mean me personally doing the same thing over and over as a vendor - I don't feel like I'm doing that. What kind of thing would make you feel like its not the same thing over and over again?

    If you can't answer that for yourself, I'm sure not going to explain it to you.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016

    Torquinox said:

    Mada said:

    None of the resources goes away from Daz store, in fact the fields they're expanding into brings more resources to spend on improving the Daz side. Its brought in more programmers, and new development - some of which have been of benefit to the Daz store.

    If you mean me personally doing the same thing over and over as a vendor - I don't feel like I'm doing that. What kind of thing would make you feel like its not the same thing over and over again?

    If you can't answer that for yourself, I'm sure not going to explain it to you.

    Its up to you - but making statements and then saying I'm not going to explain what I mean helps no one.

  • With all that talk, you'd think Daz Studio could speak USD.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    With all that talk, you'd think Daz Studio could speak USD.

    I would love that too yes. I would also like to see a bridge to Marvelous Designer, and Omniverse.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200
    edited December 2022

    Mada said:

    Lucky its a moot point in VR and the metaverse :) I just use my trusty jetpack. wink

    I feel so cheated that there's no flying cars in the real world - people are slacking there.

    ...with how challenged people attempting to drive on the ground are, I'm glad there aren't flying cars.  Last thing I want is a Buick coming through my 5th floor window.

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  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,018

    Daz can Web3, VR, & Metaverse all they want. But they can't organise/categorise their own products in their own store?

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,432
    edited December 2022

    Yeah, they really have lost the plot. Not sure I can buy Daz3D products, knowing my money is gonna be funding crap like that.

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,143

    xyer0 said:

    Daz can Web3, VR, & Metaverse all they want. But they can't organise/categorise their own products in their own store?

    wouldn\'t it be great to have a workable store? With all the new people working on Web3 and all that, they surely can figure out how to get the sales working, create a working search in the forums and store, and cayegorize the store offerings so when I want a hair for g8 i can find it right now. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    daveso said:

    Torquinox said:

    Of course, I somehow already have 74 pages of Daz stuff in my library. Not sure, but I think I might be ok.

    you made me look - 224 pages. I've been here since the beginning though.  A very long history. 

    Impressive. I only have 167 and I've been here since this place was still Zygote. But then, took off a few years to be sick before I came back. LOL 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    outrider42 said:

    VR is fine. I like VR and hope it does become more mainstream. But it has very clear limitations to how many people can practically use it because of the headset itself. But aside from that, VR done right can be mindblowing. The first time I tried VR on a Galaxy phone of all things totally blew me away. That said, I don't see what Daz can do with VR that anybody else cannot do. It just feels like buzz marketing to me.

    The other stuff, though, is just...not. I believe Web3 is going to go down in history very poorly.

    And man, I really hate when marketing uses language like "empowering people". That is so over used in marketing today I just roll my eyes when I hear it. Please find some new buzz words!

    But then we can't play Bullsh*t Bingo! We're still missing "Win-Win" "Paradigm Shift" "Fast Track" and "Synergy", among other choice corporate-speak buzzwords. laugh 

  • for some reason this song popped into my head

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ...yeah, feels like that.

  • andrushuk1andrushuk1 Posts: 342
    edited December 2022

    If Metavers and Blockchain , Web3 , crypto currancy , data collecting is the way Daz is heading I will be out as well these are just ways of getting more money for nothing that is needed.

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  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,379

    Mada said:

    Lucky its a moot point in VR and the metaverse :) I just use my trusty jetpack. wink

    I feel so cheated that there's no flying cars in the real world - people are slacking there.

    Jetpacks, super cool; flying cars? Almost there...

    https://indianexpress.com/article/world/chinese-firm-tests-electric-flying-taxi-in-dubai-8202179/ 

  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,068

    Mada said:

     

    No company should have all its eggs in one basket, and Daz is perfectly situated to at least venture into different fields in Web3. I don't get why it upsets people so much if Tafi expands into other fields if it doesn't affect the Daz store side.

    Well, if one (hypothetically!) were to view web3 as yet another grift that makes rich folks richer on the backs of common folks, then it feels icky to be a customer of a company that is involved in web3.

    Even if the arm of the company that is involved in web3 is separate from the arm of the company that this hypothetical customer directly interacts with, it still would feel gross because it's still the same company.

    I'm not super interested in discussing the merits of web3 right now... just explaining why one might be upset by DAZ' continued involvement in web3.

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