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Which, in turn, introduced a new set of problems. :lol:
Such is the nature of software. :-)
Kendall
Personally I always thought poser figures sucked. They were always mispositioned. Face it, of all the things DAZ is known for their figures basically set the bar.
Step back a generation and poser users were buying figures, morphs, skins, poses, clothes, and props. Now they are just buying props because most everything else has gone genesis and isn't Poser compatible. If most people using poser used DAZ figures and were regular customers how is them not purchasing figure, morphs, skins, poses, and clothes not lost DAZ a big chunk of sales?
Now I know Richards hates when I do this, but I would be willing to bet him DAZ has lost over 50% of there sales since the introduction of Genesis. So I am sure DAZ is well aware of the issue. The problem is there is no easy solution. DAZ has few options. Give up their weight mapping tech to SM so they can make Poser Genesis compatible. DAZ redesign studio 4 and genesis to use Poser's weight mapping; if SM wants to give up that tech. Which would mean scrapping a couple of years of work. Or some sort of plugin converter for front or back end; ether studio on export or Poser on import.
If as many people contend genesis is a system wouldn't converting it to Poser mean it wouldn't be genesis any more? I think everyone that knows me knows I'm a pessimist, but it just seems there would be a bunch of issues trying to convert genesis to a poser format. The time it would take to solve them all may make it financially nonviable; costing far more then it nets.
What do I think of genesis? I can weight paint in carrara. I have a good clothing converter. I have the mil4 figures, so a big selection of morphs. The only advantage for me to genesis is I don't have to do the leg work.
Now the PC anniversary will soon be upon on us. Every year I usually over spend, it was fall so I had money and DAZ had a lot of stuff I wanted. Not this year though. I honestly can't recall the last time I spent any money at DAZ; sorry Jack. Funds are tight and DAZ isn't selling anything I need.
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I had it a couple times while I was in San Diego in the military. I wasn't very crazy about it.
I'm not either, but it does make for a nice change of pace from time to time. The Mandarin Orange is okay.
Plus it's made with real sugar.
Just never ask for Malta... it is a VERY acquired taste. My wife who is Puerto Rican loves it when the family gets it shipped from the island but .... yeah.... acquired taste.
As myself and others have pointed out many times, arguments such as these to justify DS 4 or 4.5's system requirements do not hold water, as they are far beyond the system requirements of much more robust and powerful 3D software with features that far outstrip DS4 or 4.5. Yet people continue to trot these arguments out as if they are a defense or legitimate excuse.
More importantly it does not ddress the fact that Daz continues to fail to fix major and significant bugs in one version before rewriting the codebase and breaking compatibility to trot out the next version. Something other software companies do make a far better attempt at. I am not just talking about DS either, but Carrara and Bryce as well - all have major bugs in the various versions that were promised to be addressed and never were before the next version we are expected to pay for is trotted out. Some are features that were one of the selling points of the version I already paid for - where's the bug fix?
I will not pay for an update to fix a feature I already paid for that never worked! To suggest I do so is unreasonable, and anyone who defends that sort of business model needs a reality check.
I was only joking why my "only posers use poser" line. I read that on a dA group that's anti poser and it's stuck ever since. There are Poser/Daz users who create great art. End result is all that matters, whether you modeled the character or not doesn't mean anything unless your a modeler. If you're a digital artist you should use whatever tools are available to you. If people are selling resources that can help why not use em.
...letsee, Just looking at Daz's "latest and greatest"...
...frequent crashes during rendering,
...application crashes when merging scene elements,
...serious file bloat resulting in either of the above.
...texture/UV maps not loading properly.
...incredibly sluggish performance in OGL mode,
...lack of updated plugins (granted some of which is due to the plugin vendors).
...Genesis/Gen5's recent domination of the Daz store and little if any new Gen4 content.
I don't consider that "little".
It tends to put a damper on the enthusiasm for the whole thing when one finds themselves having to spend more time dealing with bugs, performance issues, crashes, and filing support tickets than creating scenes.
I deal with enough frustration in the day job, I don't need it to be part of something that is supposed to be a pastime.
I'm not leaving the media completely as I have other things in the toolbox that work better. Daz is losing me as an ongoing customer because the direction in which they are heading is something I cannot afford to keep up with anymore.
Well, I started out as a Poser user with Poser 4, and only reluctantly adopted D|S in order to import to Bryce. I've since dropped Bryce and Poser (only keep Poser 6 to bash .objs), and have gottne my best work out of D|S.... 2.3.3... the latest version that will work on my computer...
Anyone want to buy me a new comp so I can start appreciating Genesis?
It would have been a smart move to build up and test their weight mapping concepts in Carrara. We have weight mapping already. They could have even created a Weight Mapped V4 for Carrara. Tested their concepts there and done so at less expense.
I'm hopeful this sale picks up steam. I spent a few dollars, but not much.
Fingers crossed.
Maybe after I buy myself one.
No need for a new computer to appreciate Genesis. Just sit on a broom handle pointy end first. It's quite the same feeling.
No need for a new computer to appreciate Genesis. Just sit on a broom handle pointy end first. It's quite the same feeling.
I see this thread is barrelling for that lock again...
As long as nobody is attacking each other it should be fine
No need for a new computer to appreciate Genesis. Just sit on a broom handle pointy end first. It's quite the same feeling.
OUCH! Sounds painful.
Put some ointment on there will ya?
They already did that, over a year before Genesis was released, according to Dan Farr.
No need for a new computer to appreciate Genesis. Just sit on a broom handle pointy end first. It's quite the same feeling.
Maybe for you.
Coldrake
Ideally, in normal times. But economic times were weighing on the market. The thing holding skeptic potential customers back was the ridiculous shoulders in clothes, and the goofy bodies in nudie pix. There were fixes, but they were somewhat pose-specific at that time.
Weight mapping was the top of a lot of wishlists, its something people could get elsewhere.
Seems to have worked. Anecdotal evidence from a few vendors is that Genesis and Poser are doing well.
Daz brought in new people (who spend the most), and sent a lot of money to the other vendors.
On the other hand, I'd say they rushed it out at least 6 months early. It hurt them when they slammed into a slew of programming roadblocks.
Suddenly, a mess of very capable Generation 4 shoulder, hip, and leg morphs appeared.
But the Gen4 utility came out, too.
And, yeah, it would've been a good idea to have taken things as far as they might've gone with Poser, first. (It's likely that their hasty debut lowered Poser's opinion of Genesis's value).
"It's all good", for a vendor-rich niche market, in a crappy economy.
For Daz's irregular course, I'd love to watch the inevitable factions go at it in the meetings.
I see your point, but the fact that Genesis is such a radical departure, an intermediate step should have been taken. A new figure that included some of the fixes to Gen 4 would have been accepted by Poser and Daz fans and generated the money they needed. I know I was ready to pick up Genesis until I found out it wouldn't work in Carrara natively.
The radical departure left tem no choices and made it a do or die move.
Carrara has weight mapping already. That could have proven a good testing ground for a weight mapped figure.
Oh well, spilled milk
I was only joking why my "only posers use poser" line. I read that on a dA group that's anti poser and it's stuck ever since. There are Poser/Daz users who create great art. End result is all that matters, whether you modeled the character or not doesn't mean anything unless your a modeler. If you're a digital artist you should use whatever tools are available to you. If people are selling resources that can help why not use em. Also, I do agree with you with ]
That all good :) After all, you are here aren't you? That tells me you weren't entirely true to that line lol ;-P
Stan, sound negative is not always bad! there is a lesson to be pulled, how it otherwise might be.
There are various ways that one can follow...
What about daz vs iclone? it doesn't sound silly.
What about some genesis game platform with unity or other...?
all the changes in technology we see today, or what we shall see soon...
think about GPU rendering (octane), dynamics like the clothbuilder (Marvelousdesigner), 3d sculpt & texture (Zbrush), and a still missing tool to animate and physics let's call it tool X & Y and what's possible with with the new upcoming kinects)
daz still have a great future to go not only with content but software too, if they can make above features true..., Oh boy that sounds fun...
another problem is daz has several programs (bryce, studio, hex, carrara)
and we have the competition from poser, iclone, 3dhuman, blender,...
with the crisis in the world today, it seems wise to only magnify 1 and make it big and fun to play with.
about the hardware part
some people have to invest into new systems (included me!).
but hey, isn't that normal? a computer you buy today is old in 3years and GPU rendering is the future to go,
watch out for Maxwell 2015! %-P
People that still run 32 bit, better can upgrade to some 64bit system or just be happy with what they have on 32bit and just play with it.
about 1 thing we all agree, we can not think of another major version without some well explained manual and tutorials!
Such is the nature of software. :-)
Oh, yeah. Makes it interesting. Of course, that depends on the definition of "interesting" that one's using. ;-)
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I don't know, to be honest. It may be my machine (3.2 GHz Pentium 4D w/ 2 Gig of RAM) or it may be because my renders are pretty simplistic by comparison but a number of the problems people are talking about haven't happened to me. Or maybe it's just dumb luck.
En Garde! ;-)
Doesn't make sense to me that so many keep saying the OP said he was leaving the hobby when that's not what was said in the OP. The OP said he was leaving Daz because it is predominentyl Genesis now, the PC has less and less he finds useful, and he is not a DS user. That's world's different than leaving the hobby.
Hmmm ... Going back, you're right. Not sure how I got the idea he was leaving the hobby. Or was it someone else that started that line of thought? Dunno now. Apologies to all for that blorf on my part.
It's ok, and I am sorry to single out your post, you are not the only one who's made that misthought. I believe it was started by another, and has been perpetuated, which is why I wanted to try to correct it. I can only speculate why it was begun (and base that at looking at early posts it happened in and see a pattern) but will avoid doing so, as despite what some may think I am not just trying to add to negativity.
It's ok, and I am sorry to single out your post, you are not the only one who's made that misthought. I believe it was started by another, and has been perpetuated, which is why I wanted to try to correct it. I can only speculate why it was begun (and base that at looking at early posts it happened in and see a pattern) but will avoid doing so, as despite what some may think I am not just trying to add to negativity.
No worries, brah. As long as it all came out peaceful like it's all good.
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