High heels everything
DarkElegance
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Hello,
Im curious, why are almost all female outfits, with high heels?
As someone that lives in a city that has plenty of cobblestone streets, trust me, you are not going to be running over cobblestones in stilettos. You will get hurt.(from experience)
(or for that matter steel grating)
I see some wonderful fantasy or sci-fi outfits and then the shoes/boots are all high heels. Why?
I have passed over several packages because of this. I know there are morphs to take a vicky to a mike. There are morphs to take a mike/vicky to a dragon(an many other fantasy creatures including a tortle) but, no shoes that can morph from low-heel to high heel as needed/desired?
This is really frustrating. Yes, I know, the sexy factor, but...is it really a requirement that all the female outfits be high-heeled?
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Only advice I can give, don't buy it.
I have skipped many outfit based on the high heels. I have also bought outfits where the footwear seemed practical.
But I also know that numerous people are buying it for the high heels, so I must assume people buying low heels (for female) are a minority.
High heels are better when fighting a dragon in a temple with a sword
Oh, you mean, if her sword brakes, she will take off one of her heels and stab the dragon with that
Moved to the Commons as it is not a Daz Studio topic, or a new topic - e.g. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/636891/believable-heels-on-medieval-fantasy-costumes-for-female-characters#latest
I'm willing to buy an outfit that has heels if the rest of the outfit is useful for the price - I can use other footwear.
There are couple of morphing heel shoes that I happen to own:
Amazing Morphing Pumps for Genesis 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D
Amazing Morphing Boots for Genesis 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D
But definitely, when buying poses, I have been known to avoid pose sets if they only have poses for heels. There are some PAs who accommodate both markets by supplying both flat-foot and high-heel poses, and I applaud that.
That or the dragon will be stunned by the shine of her boob plate.
I have also passed over many an outfit due to heels. If the rest of the outfit is spectacularly good and I can easily kitbash it, then I might still buy it and then just make my own outfit with pieces...which is what I normally do anyways.
THANK YOU!
It's frustrating! I seem many really cool outfits, then look at the feet, look at my library to see if I can sort other footware to fit the outfit. If I cant, I skip it.
I mean, one thing is the "glamour shot" outfits, great! Give me a nice set of pumps. But if she is out in the desert...those heels...are not going to work.
If she is in a dungeon(as someone who loves climbing in ruins) those heels, nope!
Running across steel grating? That heel is going to get stuck!
Those are good. Thank you for pointing them out!
But, why cant we get more like that? Or start offering that in some of the more "fantasy" outfits? Like the ones for medieval outfits, sci-fi, etc?
I would never skip on an outfit JUST because of the shoes, or another single part. I can't think of many outfits that don't have something about them I don't like, which is why kitbashing is so important IMO.
I like heels on my virtual women, 80% of my projects involve heels and I literally purchase every stand along heel product that comes out, but I do understand the arguement of how impractical they are in certain fantasy situations which is why I am always looking for shoes to use when everything else works but the shoes. I would even buy an outfit JUST for the shoes. Take the dForce Wood Warden for Genesis 8 Female outfit. The only thing in the set that is of any use for me is the shoes. They look like they would be perfect for lots of projects I have where heels will not work.
...I do the same and use footwear from other sets that closely matches the style.
I would definitely skip over the outfit precisely because of the shoes.
It's very hard to match the style of texturing. Sometimes it's near impossible to find matching shoes. Especially fantasy outfits are textured to look like organic materials and there can be a hell of a difference how different PAs approach leather or fabric textures.
Even if the outfit is supposed to be an eyecandy... Flat boots can be thigh highs too.
...there are a number of shader sets for items like cloth and leather that can work to closer approximate the materials used in the rest of the clothing.
The problem with tiled shader sets is that you can often end up losing things like stiching that are baked into the original materials...which can ruin the look of a piece (at least for me).
And none of them will actually match those very elaborate texturing styles with scratched leather and embroidery fabrics used on majority of those female rogue outfits that are the most notorious for coming with stilettos on an otherwise practical outfit.
Besides, I'm not spending on expensive clothing models to have to fix them after.
Oh dear, this topic has been discussed here for a very long time.... I don't know how many times I haven't bought outfits because they included - totally inappropriate - stiletto shoes or boots. Especially with fantasy, warrior or adventure outfits they look ridiculous. What's supposed to be sexy about such absurdities I still don't get...
Esha made nice shoes that can be morphed or combined from high to flat heels in a few variations, from sandals to all-season-shoes:
https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-for-genesis-8-females
https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-sandals-1-2-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-8-female-s
Fisty & Darc have also made such shoes:
https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females
https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females
It really depends... but I'd never pass on a good outfit JUST because of the shoes, and kitbahsing is always a way out. BTW, high heels with good quality are always worth buying for me ~
Yah. This question is as old as 3d graphics are. If you like the outfit buy it and then find some other shoes to replace the high heels with. Kit bashing is what you need to look into if you want a 3d closet full of cool options. Also, research surface areas, included and creating your own. Also look into the geometry tool...
Dont limit yourself over some high heels, tacky as they may be.
To those saying they wouldn't pass over an outfit over the shoes, as PixelSploiting
stated, getting some textures to match some shoes/boots is not easy all the time(I do make textures at times if the outfit is something truly WOW). But that means buying more textures/shaders. Or trying to match intricate patters, styles, details.
Its not just the inconvenience, btw. I came back to doing 3d work, happy to see so much inclusivity. We have things for Trans, for just about -every- ethnicity, we even have older skin textures now, yet women are still being based down to….being sexy.
It's impractical, it's illogical, it's frustrating that if I am going to spend my money…I have to just "accept that it is how it is". As a woman it is irksom that, my options are high heels and boobs out.(a military set has the woman with huge boobs half out while in tactical gear!).
Daz is one of the biggest sites for readily available 3d content. You are telling me, the artists that make products are interested in filling the "consideration" needs of the noted above topics…but not in the utter frustrating aspect of illogical high heels? And that if you complain, well "just kit bash it, buy more shaders" is the answer?
(BTW, I do "kitbash". I even use mikes things on vicki. But seriously? Women are still being based down to "sexy vicki"?)
This may be why I have started to put more money to places like Renderhub.
(And yes, good high heels are something every library should have. Its not that there isnt a need for them. You are doing a "glamour shot" and you want that arch of the calf, the way it elongates the leg. But not on -everything-. Options for outfits are great. I noted some artists even sell singular items from outfits, which is amazing and has been a boon to my library and bank balance. But, yet, we still cant see woman as -just- sexy?)
I've been shopping so selectively for flat shoed outfits that I ended up lacking heeled option, well that was solved easily
I think a lot of this simply comes down to supply and demand. A lot of work goes into creating the content and our PA's like to see some money in return (very few of them own their own island or fly around in business jets). High heels sell better and therefore that is what they produce most of. Personally, I think a few more medium wedges wouldn't go amiss.
...well it always seems to come down to the matter of the "one thing" that sells the most, no matter how impractical it may seem.
...that said.
True, when there is unique stitching or other details that are baked into the texture rather than part of the mesh, yes that is a bother. However even retexturing such items is not impossible it just takes a bit more effort.
I have an example of what I did to retexture Meshitup's Seljuk Turkish Princess Outfit (which had no optional textures wither with the core product or as an add on) which preserved the ornamental stitching in the skirt, however apparently the image attachment bug is back again.
"More effort" to salvage a costume set should be unacceptable on paid items or should be a privilege depending entirely on a goodwill of the customer, just saying. ;]
If someone's doing poor job on a outfit that is not intentionally designed to be pinup or glamour I'm not going to reward it with a sale. Apparently enough of other customers will buy it anyway.
A high heel can be an effective weapon. I often don't render the feet anyway. I only have 4 gigabytes of video ram and don't want to fill it with shoes.
...I .remember the character American Maid from The 1990's Tick animated series. She was dangerous with them.
...I beg to differ, but then I've been kitbashing clothing & such ever since I started in this 15 years ago.
I daresay I'm better at kitbashing than half of the people here who use kitbashing as excuses for rewarding PAs weird ideas because I'm capable of building and texturing my things completely from the scratch so it's not a matter of skill.
Paid products should never be excused in such ways. They are not free. If the PA executes badly conceived idea I'm certainly not going to reward it with money just so I can also earn dubious privilege of having to fix it myself. It'd be enabling.
I kitbash and build from the scratch when I want to, not when I'm forced.
There have been quite a few outfits/suits of armor that have come out and had high heels, and I have just skipped them because I don't want to try to match other parts with them to make a practical outfit. I don't care if high heels sell. Some outfits don't need them. And begin to look ridiculous with them.
Question for anyone who makes/has made shoes, are high heels easier to make than flats, low heeled?
With you, OP. One of the things I like about G9 - and I banged on about it in the 'Getting on the G9 train' thread - is that I can buy male outfits that come with sensible footwear and actually have a chance of making use of the rest of the outfit on my ladies without too much work.
Add boob windows and plunging necklines to my complaints too. In fact, woe betide we show a nipple here within the context of something innocent like breast-feeding, but it's completely okay to portray every other part of the female body in a suggestive manner? What message does that set? That's not me having a pop at sexy outfits, btw. That's me having a pop at the overall editorial tone of the store. It's ridiculous in 2023.
If warrior or adventure outfits with high heels actually sell better, then that is unfortunately the case... For me, such an outfit is a joke at best; others just find it sexy. But like some others here, I don't see why I should spend extra money or waste hours looking for matching shoes or shaders to be able to use a product I pay for. I don't buy it; that's it.
@ainm.sloinneadh: +1!