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"Boob window" has just been added to my vocabulary.
Andromeda outfit got to be my favorite Dazverse shizophrenia example. It's a full body covering scifi Mass Effect style armor. Except it comes with boob window, cutout at the back and a pair of heels, all of this clashing with the rest of the outfit.
https://www.daz3d.com/andromeda-sci-fi-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s
Knights Wind is another one. It's a passable swashbuckler outfit... Except she's soo not doing any fighting or running in those boots.
https://www.daz3d.com/knight-winds-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
Sometimes you can't tell what was purpose of the design when you look at the Daz store.
Swords Legacy for Genesis 9 was latest example of this schizophrenia.
I hate when you get a really nice suit of armour but it comes with big stompy boots.
This thread reminds me off:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKHc5rCno8
It is fine to differ on what you want in an outfit, it is fine to wish to avoid encouraging the production of content that makes - for you - the wronf decision. it is not fine to attack those who make or buy the stuff that doesn't suit you. Ultimately the best way to promote the styles you do want is to support those who make them, and if possible to bring in new users who share you taste so that the economics shift.
I just can't tell you how many times I've been in a short tight red dress and matching heels as I'm getting ready for a night out, only to find that my partner is in peril. So then I have to put on my armor and fight but I don't really have time to take the dress or the shoes off, plus I don't want us to be late for the affair afterward. And Bob's your uncle.
oddbob, this picture is just gorgeous! I laughed my head off and still do every time I look at it.
...my modelilng skills are certianly nothing to write home about (particularly when it comes to soft or organic forms that need to rect to posing) so creating clothing from scratch is not an option.
If I were to reject every outfit with what I consider "inapprpriate" high or spike heels, I'd have very little clothing content in my library from here or the other store. As is it is alreayd lean enough as I don't care much for sexy skimpwear. If the rest of an outfit is something I like, it's a small investment in time to substitute more "reasonable" footwear and work with shaders to get it to fit in as best with the clothing.
I'm perfectly fine to roll with something and take the time to make it work.
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Well, each to their own, but I'm no longer fine with doing it because I do not consider commercial products worth time spent for making them work. If I see from the promos it won't work, I'm not going to get because it'd be sending wrong message to the seller.
It's all purely commercial relationship, after all.
Unless it's an ancient product on a very very deep bargain bin discount or a freebie. Then I might.
I noted my position on this topic back earlier in the thread but have been watching the subsequent conversation.
I can see the problem when discussing something like a suit of armor - be it medieval or sci-fi, like the Andromeda example. You can't just grab any random other footwear to use with something like that. Otherwise, though, how is it a big deal to use a different shoe with an outfit? I don't see why it's such an onerous task to substitute, for example, practical and appropriate boots with an otherwise useful outfit that came with boots with absurd stilleto heels.
(My perspective may be different than the OP and some others in this thread. The general setting of my story series - the thing that led me to learn to use Daz - is such that there's a 0% chance that any PA is creating outfits that are a one-stop fit for my characters; I take for granted that I'm piecing outfits together from assorted separate ones and retexturing as needed to fit my world.)
Well, those who make content bear some responsibility for the choices they make although I would prefer criticise (or even "plead") rather than "attack". I do buy from vendors who provide a flat-foot option for shoes and/or poses and I do avoid those who don't so that is me voting with my wallet. However, I have not seen any increase in the availablity of those desireable products. Not that it makes much difference now as I don't have any G9 characters and all the new content is G9.
For poses, I have saved a foot "correction" pose somewhere prominent so that I can revert to flat feet for any commercial pose but it is not a perfect workaround - the flat foot option should be part of the full pose.
I fall into the "I'll pass if the footwear is wrong" camp. I do the same if the outfit makes no sense to me, but we're on the topic of footwear, so I'll confine my comments to that. I can overlook those (to me) shortcomings if the product is otherwise stellar or has something unique that I want/need and can't find elsewhere. While I'm no stranger to "kit-bashing", and generally do it anyway, I'm not fond of having to dig around in what I already own to find something suitable or being delayed because I've had to go on the hunt in the store for another product to fill my need. Since this is a hobby for me, I'll often just abandon that particular render and move on to something else. In the end, I usually spend less, not more.
I have no objection to high heels. I personally own several dozen, everything from stilettos to thigh-high lace-ups to platforms, and have worn them all. But there's a time and place for them. It most certainly isn't out adventuring or fighting. or riding horses or on the motorcycle. I wear sensible, practical, and safe footwear according to the activities I'm doing. I've lived many adventures and misadventures, and I can tell you from experience, high heels are NOT functional for most things, period. I've been that stubborn person who insisted on wearing heels when I was told it was a bad idea, more than once. And guess what ...it was a bad idea each time. Lessons learned.
Realistically, high heels are terrible for the body and do all kinds of damage, including throwing the whole body out of alignment and shifting the center of gravity. Admittedly, that shift in alignment does tend to accentuate a woman's curves. That doesn't change the fact that high heels are very prone to sinking into mud, and getting caught in metal grating, manhole covers, cobblestones, etc., thereby causing one to lose balance and potentially sustain serious injury. Heels can also snap due to the tremendous amount of pressure bearing down on them, another recipe for disaster. To prevent that, many high heels have a steel rod in them which has zero give or shock absorption. The shock of every step travels up the body. Additionally, the pointy toe boxes cram your toes together in an unnatural way that compromises balance, leads to ingrown toenails, heel spurs, callouses, and bunions, and is painful.
In women who have regularly worn high heels long-term, the feet often end up grotesquely deformed. Hammer toes are common, as are issues with the ankles, Achilles tendons, and plantar fascia due to the shortening of said tendons. Problems with the knees, hips, and spine are also common. So are stress fractures and pinched nerves. Those are only some of the issues the wearing of high heels has been linked to.
Watch very closely when women walk in high heels. Often you'll notice a slight jarring with each step, or sliding forward of the foot, or wobble of the heel. If the clothing is fitted enough, you may even notice that jarring in the hips, spine, shoulders, and/or neck/head.
High heels are simply not something a smart adventurer or brawler would be likely to wear if they wanted to do those activities for any length of time.
I'm ok with outfits that have low to medium height (.5 to 2 inches) chunky heels with wide, rounded toe boxes. I've personally gone for days adventuring in that type of footwear and suffered no ill effects. A bit of a heel can definitely be beneficial as it can secure the feet, for example in stirrups or on motorcycle foot pegs, but they need to be wider for stability and to avoid slipping into cracks.
I get it. Perhaps someone else's heroine/villainess is invincible and impervious to the effects of her footwear. Mine, however, is not. Mine wants practical, non-crippling footwear (and clothing). Attention to realism in clothing seems to be lagging behind the attention given to realism in materials and lighting. Thankfully, things have improved a lot in that area since I started this hobby, but they still have a way to go.
If the footwear doesn't make sense the rest of the outfit needs to be of exceptionable quality or have smth that I can't find anywhere else, to get a buy from me.
High Heels in general are not good-looking, IMO. So an outfit with High Heels is more often than not a hard pass, for me.
The same goes for unreasonable armour, no the bikini-mail doesn't work so it doesn't go into my shopping cart either. I would prefer historically correct armour and clothing, and those are really hard to find, so I have to deal with "close enough" and a lot of kit bashing.
Right!
@sazzyazzca:
Thank you for taking so much time to provide this detailed and accurate information about what high heels do to women's health.
As a teenager I was shocked to see the crippled feet of a school friend. Her stupid parents had been buying the girl the then fashionable pointed shoes with higher heels for years. Since then, I have felt a certain disgust especially towards pointed shoes.
Today, when we shake our heads at the historical Chinese cruelty of 'lily feet', we like to forget that we are not too far away from it with stilettos and the like.
I'm suffering the exact reverse: I see many awesome sleek and sexy outfits here which then feature flats, or even worse, clunky combat boots beneath them. Especially sci-fi outfits often suffer from this, but BOTH outfits in the Olympia bundle sadly had flat shoes as well. It definitely wouldn't have hurt anyone if either one of those shoes had had some high heels, the styles are fairly interchangable between the two outfits, and there would've been something to mix and match for everybody. Such styles with heels have featured in previous generations of Olympia, but shoes are the one thing that are a major headache to convert between generations, so using those old shoes simply isn't an option, and I haven't seen tools for converting G9 outfits to G3 or G8 yet either, so matching these new outfits with those shoes sadly isn't an possible in either direction.
Overall, I'd like to see way more outfits with heels, but I guess flats are simply much easier to make.
I've had the opposite effect on my feet. I work from home, and because of that spend most of my days in flip flops or barefoot. Having my feet in the default "bare" state for so long...has widened them to the point where I can no longer wear narrow, pointy shoes. No, I don't have monkey feet (LOL), but I definitely can't get into any sort of spike heel or anything deemed "narrow". I can wear what you would consider a motorcycle or stirrup heel, which are very practical...and I can wear a moderate wedge...but that's about it. Try to put me in a stilleto or pretty much anything with a teeny tiny widdle heel or a pointy toe box? I would fall over...if I could even stand up at all.
The reason for my story is that it's very interesting to see just how much shoes can change the shape of the human foot...and how easily the human foot can go back to the default state without them.
That being said...it is super frustrating for me to buy shoes because I see so many cute shoes and I have to be very careful...and I'm pretty much limited to what would be considered "wide" sizing...simply because my feet are no longer all scrinched up from wearing death-grip shoes to work every day. Sure, I could go through the pain of forcing them back into a shape that could wear them again...but why?
This part of coment raises another point to the debate. There is an endless suply of 4 inch plus heals in the DAZ store and a reasonable suply of flats. However, finding anything in the 0.5 to 2 inch category is pretty much impossible (except for the incredible morphing pumps). As there are currently so few in this category it is hard to even judge how well that they would sell.
Yes, one of the Victorias had a set of shoes that included differnt heel heihgts but there has been very little since. This is actually soemthing I watch for with hope and frequent disappointment.
Oh, you need to let me know where those flats can be found. I've got loads of variations on sandals and flat Mary Janes and brogues, but elegant flats - the type that can be worn out to a restaurant or with a fancy gown - elude me. There are so many killer heels to choose from. Killer in all meanings of that word
. Personally, I've seen more flats on the Cannes red carpet! I dream of the day more artists say, "Do you know what, I think I'll do some lovely flats for this outfit".
I'm definitely critical of heels as default with outfits, but I don't want anyone to think that asking for more flats and laughing at the number of heels in the store is an anti-heel stance. And I echo the comments on needing more low heels too.
Don't anybody get me starting on having to buy heels and a skimpy outfit if I want a lovely handbag/purse.
...granted, I don't do a lot of "historical medieval", high fantasy, or "canon" scifi fan art, so it's not much of a bother to substitute footwear. In certain occasions where heels are perfectly relevant I don't shy away from using them, but not on the battlefield, slinking around the shadows of the local sprawl, .or running away from some B.E.M. that just boarded he spaceship.
For those looking for sensible female Sci-Fi and Battlefield footwear:
https://www.daz3d.com/interstellar-uniform-outfit-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/interstellar-uniform-outfit-texture-add-on
https://www.daz3d.com/cyberpunk-enforcer-for-genesis-9
https://www.daz3d.com/cyberpunk-enforcer-for-genesis-8-and-81-females
https://www.daz3d.com/sci-fi-guard-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-female
https://www.daz3d.com/survival-instinct-for-genesis-8-and-81-females
https://www.daz3d.com/urban-battle-outfit-for-genesis-81-females
https://www.daz3d.com/urban-battle-outfit-boots-for-genesis-81-females
https://www.daz3d.com/streetwear-for-genesis-8-and-genesis-81-female
This was just a quick search so there will be many more available.
+1000
For those of us who want to replace unrealistic footwear on some outfits: https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-boots-for-genesis-8-females is on sale today.