Cheyenne 9

sidsid Posts: 436
edited April 18 in The Commons

https://www.daz3d.com/cheyenne-9

Thought she deserved her own thread. Hopefully some renders to come.

Some nice looking pieces in the bundle. I'll probably pick up her, the HD, the braids and maybe the jewellery set.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,053

    As I posted in a different thread, I quite like the character, especially with the Kinship morphs. I would have liked more authentic clothing, but what's included in the bundle isn't the worst I've seen, and there does appear to be more attention to detail and authenticity than the standard Spirit Halloween store Sexy Indian costume that's all too common. Daz really should have tapped Meshitup for some outfits.

  • OrangeFalconOrangeFalcon Posts: 178
    edited April 18

    I picked up the pro bundle today and I quite like it.  Here are a few renders I did and posted in the other thread:

    This is her with default HD shape, the curvy shape for the business suit and the athletic shape for the portrait (no makeup).

    The Cheyenne braids gave me problems with moving them to the front in the first pose, but I had viking braids that worked even better and looked just like them.

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  • sidsid Posts: 436

    That PA's hair always takes a while to pose, but worth it if you have something very exact in mind. - I like they've put the 'bones' on a quick utility action for this set.

     

    Looking foward to trying the kinship faces

  • OrangeFalconOrangeFalcon Posts: 178

    Here's a couple more with her thin shape:

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  • jd641jd641 Posts: 458

    She reminds me of Alawa, who I always thought could pass as indigineous if I did a bit of dial spinning, and Alawa was one of my favorite figures of any generation. I definintely want to buy the figure before the sale ends but I'm trying to figure out how to get the price at a certain point. I used to be able to get a g9 DO figure with HD for $20 or less now the base price for just the morph without HD is almost 20. I definitely want to HD as well so I've been doing a bit of cart juggling but I'm not getting to where I want it.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,053

    jd641 said:

    She reminds me of Alawa, who I always thought could pass as indigineous if I did a bit of dial spinning, and Alawa was one of my favorite figures of any generation. I definintely want to buy the figure before the sale ends but I'm trying to figure out how to get the price at a certain point. I used to be able to get a g9 DO figure with HD for $20 or less now the base price for just the morph without HD is almost 20. I definitely want to HD as well so I've been doing a bit of cart juggling but I'm not getting to where I want it.

    I assumed that Alawa was intended to be indigenous, as she was released as the counterpart to Dasan with the same retrofuturistic theme.

  • sidsid Posts: 436
    edited April 19

    Some test renders with the HD - I think here I might have used Natural Bends or simlar to get the wrinkles on the ankle but left the other joints unmodified. There's minimal corrects on the bends, so you get the standard G9 thighs and calfs.

    I realy like the hands!

    Skin on a boy - no compliants. The male chest material isn't bad. The headdress has some posing options for the individual parts, but you're still going to have to be creative with getting hair to lay flat underneath it.

    I picked up the alternative shapes but I'll probably return them. Her face is very difficult for me to pose convincingly and the alternative shapes I found exacabated that, even with the lip texture correction utility.  She's shown here with one of the alt shapes and the lip 'fix' applied. They'd probably be ok if you like neutral poses or are cleverer at posing than I am.

    In the end I purchased the base figure, the breads, and the headress outfit and the HD.

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,003

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

  • gfdamron1gfdamron1 Posts: 269

    What a beautiful character- thanks for sharing these renders! I see the base figure is for 65% off- $17.49 now. I'm going to use her as a modern character so the base figure works for me.

  • FPFP Posts: 117

    Looks androgynous

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,692

    daveso said:

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

    AFAIK traditionally Plains-style war bonnets were not worn by women, though there have been some women who earned the right to wear one.

    Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnie_Hollow_Wood

  • I wish they had leaned more heavily into the features of Native American women. I would like to see shapes really start to stand out and be distinct.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,003

    Leana said:

    daveso said:

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

    AFAIK traditionally Plains-style war bonnets were not worn by women, though there have been some women who earned the right to wear one.

    Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnie_Hollow_Wood

    thank you 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,640

    I picked up the character and HD morphs. I'll use the hair, but probably only on elves. 

    Any comment on the Sexy costume Garb would probably be removed, but needless to say, can't use stuff like that. 

  • I really like her, but this indigenous outfit is a bit much. Because it looks more like modern Hollywood outfit that is only supposed to look sort of idigenous. Skirt+bra.

  • DecoyboyDecoyboy Posts: 511
    edited April 20
    First, nice character. Only did some test renders, but didn't save any. But I did buy the pro bundle. Not happy with the high price tags of gen9, but I liked 99% of the bundle So i bought it. 2nd, the indigenous outfit is 4 files? 2.7 gb! Heck no. Wanted to install it, but decided to wait. 3rd, i thought the big ordeal with Gen9 was the single base figure again AND built in HD as standard. Pretty sure the first few gen9 releases had HD as part of the figure. Victoria, Michael, Joan, Lawrence, Van Helsing, Mira, Ally, Zack, Olympia,Jennie, Wang, and many more are just HD and not 2 separate files. Why has Daz started to go back to having the standard file and a HD file? Anyhow, the playing around I did she turned out nicely. I had an error when loading her though. Something about an omishader file missing. Figure it is because I am still using 4.21 and her brows might use that new shader? Another hair I just bought gave me the same problem, but I was still able to use the hairs.
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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,053

    Decoyboy said:

    3rd, i thought the big ordeal with Gen9 was the single base figure again AND built in HD as standard. Pretty sure the first few gen9 releases had HD as part of the figure. Victoria, Michael, Joan, Lawrence, Van Helsing, Mira, Ally, Zack, Olympia,Jennie, Wang, and many more are just HD and not 2 separate files. Why has Daz started to go back to having the standard file and a HD file?

    There was a lot of backlash to the price increase necessitated by including the HD in the base figure, so it's possible that Daz decided to separate them so that people who didn't want the HD didn't have to pay for it.

    I had an error when loading her though. Something about an omishader file missing. Figure it is because I am still using 4.21 and her brows might use that new shader?

    I'm not sure if using the OmniHair shader requires updating to 4.22 or simply updating your default resources, but I'd definitely try the latter if you're wary about upgrading to 4.22.

  • stelaristelari Posts: 80
    edited April 20

    Really liking how Cheyenne mixes with other shapes, great DNA to have available, she makes some great realistic/interesting characters.

    Here's 100% Cheyenne:


    And a bunch of mixes (Hanako, Nexara, Aury, Helena, Mia, Mira):

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  • gfdamron1gfdamron1 Posts: 269

    Awesome renders! Really cool to see how you've blended her with other characters.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,286

    Well, it's certainly been a while. The gen4 Cheyenne sets were in what, about 2010?

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,003

    JOdel said:

    Well, it's certainly been a while. The gen4 Cheyenne sets were in what, about 2010?

    yep...doesn't seem that far back until you think about it...14 years is a pretty long time, especially has many advances have ben made in rendering engines, etc.  

  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    I had to think about it for a while, but eventually I bought the base figure, HD, one of the alternate shapes, the braids, and the alternate faces. I have little to no use for anything in the rest of the release besides maybe the warbonnet, which I may buy if I decide that I need it, but the clothing was such a mishmash, being a sexified version of  North American and then  what looks like maybe Azttec or Myan, neither of which do I need, so passed on the big bundles, got a better deal on what I DID want anyway.

    NOW I just need to get my library set back up so I can start rendering again now that I got a video card upgrade that can actuially get something done...

  • nabob21nabob21 Posts: 993

    sid,

    What is the lip texture correction utility that you mentioned?

  • sidsid Posts: 436

    nabob21 said:

    sid,

    What is the lip texture correction utility that you mentioned?

    https://www.daz3d.com/cheyenne-9-kinship-alternate-face-morphs - It was in option included in this set "Because of Cheyenne's unique lip texture, there is a lip shape adjustment for using the head shapes with Cheyenne skin. For other skins, don't need to use it (or you can remove it with the included preset if you previously added it). The head shape presets do not adjust this." 

    In practice the most obvious effect it seemed to have when I applied it was to change the cupid's bow

  • sidsid Posts: 436

    Those are some really nice mixes, stelari. Particularly like that second one, amazed that's with Nexara.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,286

    Malandar said:

    I had to think about it for a while, but eventually I bought the base figure, HD, one of the alternate shapes, the braids, and the alternate faces. I have little to no use for anything in the rest of the release besides maybe the warbonnet, which I may buy if I decide that I need it, but the clothing was such a mishmash, being a sexified version of  North American and then  what looks like maybe Azttec or Myan, neither of which do I need, so passed on the big bundles, got a better deal on what I DID want anyway.

    NOW I just need to get my library set back up so I can start rendering again now that I got a video card upgrade that can actuially get something done...

    Yeah. The gen4 clothing was Platnum Club, and while it was rather ornate and ceremonial, it wasn't just pin-up fodder. 

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,456

    daveso said:

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

    Oh yes! In Hollywood, in Las Vegas, and of course in the 'Crazy Horse' shows in Paris...

  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    JOdel said:

    Malandar said:

    I had to think about it for a while, but eventually I bought the base figure, HD, one of the alternate shapes, the braids, and the alternate faces. I have little to no use for anything in the rest of the release besides maybe the warbonnet, which I may buy if I decide that I need it, but the clothing was such a mishmash, being a sexified version of  North American and then  what looks like maybe Azttec or Myan, neither of which do I need, so passed on the big bundles, got a better deal on what I DID want anyway.

    NOW I just need to get my library set back up so I can start rendering again now that I got a video card upgrade that can actuially get something done...

    Yeah. The gen4 clothing was Platnum Club, and while it was rather ornate and ceremonial, it wasn't just pin-up fodder. 

    Yeah I have that stuff, it is ptrtty much unusable these days unless you  are using it for something to paint over or something like that. And I have no problem with skimpwear personally, a lot of what I do it linup style renders, but I just don't  care for how  most of that clothing looks, mainly because I was never into the whole Aztec/Myan thing. Also about the only thing made how it probably looked is the warbonnet so until i need a Genesis 9 warbonnet i'll be waiting on that particular product.

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,437

    caravelle said:

    daveso said:

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

    Oh yes! In Hollywood, in Las Vegas, and of course in the 'Crazy Horse' shows in Paris...

    Native American women who wore headdresses were often of high social status and were respected members of their communities. Men typically wore headdresses, but in some tribes, women were also allowed to wear them to symbolize their leadership and spiritual connections. The headdresses worn by women were often smaller and less elaborate than those worn by men but were still considered a significant and honored part of their attire. 

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,456

    AgitatedRiot said:

    caravelle said:

    daveso said:

    did Cheyenne women, or any Native women, wear the big headdress?

    Oh yes! In Hollywood, in Las Vegas, and of course in the 'Crazy Horse' shows in Paris...

    Native American women who wore headdresses were often of high social status and were respected members of their communities. Men typically wore headdresses, but in some tribes, women were also allowed to wear them to symbolize their leadership and spiritual connections. The headdresses worn by women were often smaller and less elaborate than those worn by men but were still considered a significant and honored part of their attire. 

    Oh, I didn't know that. Which peoples were they? Magnificent headdresses like that of Cheyenne 9 were not worn by women, according to my information. 

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