There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 3

Charlie Judge

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

Also please clarify whether or not purchase of a gift card results in a punch the next day 

Richard Haseltine

Charlie Judge said:

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

Also please clarify whether or not purchase of a gift card results in a punch the next day 

Will ask, but I suspect most of them will be in a turkey-induced stupor (or a cooking-induced panic).

SilverGirl

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

AsuCafe

I purchased gift cards but there is no change in Punch Cards, So I bought another product and used the DO discount which was not very cost-effective, but still no change.

So I came here to seek answers, Now I know you may not see the changes until the next day.

Well, I should double check the article here before spending any money.

 

NorthOf45

SilverGirl said:

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

In previous incarnations, missing a day dropped you one punch, but you still had the other two. This tells me that I loose all three, starting over with zero punches. Doesn't sound fair.

Leana

NorthOf45 said:

SilverGirl said:

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

In previous incarnations, missing a day dropped you one punch, but you still had the other two. This tells me that I loose all three, starting over with zero punches. Doesn't sound fair.

IIRC you also did drop back to 0 last year, at least at the begining of the sale. I think they changed the rules during the sale.

CES3D

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

joanna

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

Oh, yes, I remember the issues with the advent calendar turnover last year. This might be a good question to ask in the reporting thread, and hopefully the mods can highlight it to Daz, so that the Daz team can put the time zone explicitly in the punch description. 

XiousDs

Richard Haseltine said:

Charlie Judge said:

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

Also please clarify whether or not purchase of a gift card results in a punch the next day 

Will ask, but I suspect most of them will be in a turkey-induced stupor (or a cooking-induced panic).

I would like to know about gift cards activating punch cards too. Last year, there was good daily deals on daz+ stuff in the $1-2 range and I used that for most of my punches when there was nothing big I wanted. It would be nice to know if buying a few dollars of gift card will keep the punches going. It seems in the last several years a lot of headache around punch cards is that you don't see an update until the next day. Seems they would be better off by showing you an indicator that your punch is pending or just make it that you get the punch (after) a qualifying purchase the same day. I know it would change the function, but it seems like that would simplify the system and reduce a massive number of support tickets and questions.

joanna

SilverGirl said:

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

Ah, so it is there, just not prominent. I admit to have only skimmed through the thing as I've been with Daz long enough to just go, "Oh. Punches." and know how they work, lol.

But I still anticipate the large volume of questions. 

XiousDs

NorthOf45 said:

SilverGirl said:

joanna said:

Richard Haseltine said:

It will update tomorrow - and you can earn only one punch per day.

I already feel sorry for the moderators... Judging by the last two years, from now on, for a month, the most common problems you'll be responding to ad nauseam will be "I purchased today, and I see no punches" and "I made purchases for three days in a row last week, and I have no punches". It seems to me that Daz did a good job this year trying to explain the punch system, but I think it's still missing the two disclaimers:

1. Punches only register on the next day.

2. Punches expire, so to have three punches, you have to have made purchases in the three consecutive days before "today", not three purchases any time during the month.

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

In previous incarnations, missing a day dropped you one punch, but you still had the other two. This tells me that I loose all three, starting over with zero punches. Doesn't sound fair.

It's hard to tell with Daz speak. Last year the punch worked so that 1 punch lasted 3 days. Day 1 got you a punch for the next 3 days. Day 2 would get you a second punch for the next 3 days with 2 days left on your first punch. Day 3 would get you a 3rd punch for the next 3 days with 2 days left on your second punch and 1 day left on your first punch. Then buying on the 4th day would give you a punch for the next 3 days to replace your first punch which would expire the next day. If at any point you missed a punch it would take you 3 days to stack them back up again. So I'd you missed 1 punch you would be stuck on 2 punches for like 2 days until the missed punch was worked out of the system. So is the system the same and this was just a very basic description of the same system, or will you legit just drop all punches to simplify the system, since how it worked was actually kind of complex last year and caused much confusion.

SilverGirl

joanna said:

SilverGirl said:

These are both in there, but I get how it's easy for brains to just not intake everything when there's so much about a sale you're trying to absorb at once. (Goodness knows I've missed tons of "obvious" stuff in the past)

#1 covered in the description: A purchase today will get you a punch tomorrow.

#2 covered in the fine print: When you miss 1 day of purchasing, the punch deal starts over. 

Ah, so it is there, just not prominent. I admit to have only skimmed through the thing as I've been with Daz long enough to just go, "Oh. Punches." and know how they work, lol.

But I still anticipate the large volume of questions. 

Oh no doubt. And it being Daz, they probably won't function as advertised anyway, at least for the first few days.and especially because they started it on a holiday when the support team is probably focusing on their families.

tsroemi

gfdamron1 said:

tsroemi said:

So holiday punch cards are already starting I see. If anyone's buying the deal of the day - here: https://www.daz3d.com/kaity-hd-for-genesis-9-feminine - could you maybe let me know whether there's a version without that red nose and without eyebrows? That'd be great. I like the character's skin (the morph not so much), but the info on the page is a bit scarce, and the red nose looks really very prominent. 

I don't see any seperate eyebrows options nor any version without the red nose. 

Thanks for the reply, so you bought her and don't see these options in the library files, am I getting this right? 

gfdamron1

That's correct. There is only one folder under her character name that has anything in it: Iray materials for skintone and make-up. Her body and head morphs are in the Parameters pane. That's all the included content I could find. It's kind of a strange way to set up a character from DAZ.

Richard Haseltine

joanna said:

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

Oh, yes, I remember the issues with the advent calendar turnover last year. This might be a good question to ask in the reporting thread, and hopefully the mods can highlight it to Daz, so that the Daz team can put the time zone explicitly in the punch description. 

They shouild work on daz time, in synchrony with the switching in of new Debut releases, though as you say there were issues last year.

The answer on Gift Crads wasn't clear - they will probably, but not certainly, work today, but since it would then be possible to get a punch for buying the GC and punch fopr spending it they may look at changing that.

Wonderland

Ugh, I always seem to be like 6 cents away from the next token and have to buy something super cheap I don't want that I'll never find because it's so old, it's not in smart content. 

Cam Fox

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

I would guess the punches are coordinated to match the time that sales have been switching over - that's 1am Central from my POV, and I think it's always the same moment (in your respective time zone) for all customers.

If you're planning to maximize the punch promotion, from past experience there's usually some in-between days where you'll have to compromise your price target, or buy a product you wouldn't normally buy, to stay in the game. If you ever skip a day, there'll typically be a stronger day soon after, where you'll wish you had filled all the punches. :) No way to know in advance, so consider your budget and find a strategy that works for you.

The disappearing/reappearing punch sounds like a glitch to me.

tsroemi

gfdamron1 said:

That's correct. There is only one folder under her character name that has anything in it: Iray materials for skintone and make-up. Her body and head morphs are in the Parameters pane. That's all the included content I could find. It's kind of a strange way to set up a character from DAZ.

Thanks again! Yeah that does sound a little unusual. 

SilverGirl

Last year the daily free DO kept me interested in the required daily buy-ins, and the punch card discount and my near non-existent inventory meant there were lots of useful low-cost options. This year, with my inventory pleasantly plump and with it just being a discount... probably a better strategy for me to wait for one of the bigger sales later in the year rather than gambling that tomorrow will be worth it... and tomorrow, and tomorrow... 

Cam Fox

SilverGirl said:

Last year the daily free DO kept me interested in the required daily buy-ins, and the punch card discount and my near non-existent inventory meant there were lots of useful low-cost options. This year, with my inventory pleasantly plump and with it just being a discount... probably a better strategy for me to wait for one of the bigger sales later in the year rather than gambling that tomorrow will be worth it... and tomorrow, and tomorrow... 

This is the "Holiday Sale" so there could indeed be 34 or more days of tomorrow!

rokkr

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

GMT -7 (I guess it's because the offices of DAZ Productions, Inc. are located in West Jordan, Utah, as one can see in the footer of this page).

 

SilverGirl

Cam Fox said:

SilverGirl said:

Last year the daily free DO kept me interested in the required daily buy-ins, and the punch card discount and my near non-existent inventory meant there were lots of useful low-cost options. This year, with my inventory pleasantly plump and with it just being a discount... probably a better strategy for me to wait for one of the bigger sales later in the year rather than gambling that tomorrow will be worth it... and tomorrow, and tomorrow... 

This is the "Holiday Sale" so there could indeed be 34 or more days of tomorrow!

Yup, exactly. Especially when one missed day knocks you back to zero, I don't want to feel like I have to keep going to maintain it even if it isn't a good deal.

CES3D

Richard Haseltine said:

joanna said:

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

Oh, yes, I remember the issues with the advent calendar turnover last year. This might be a good question to ask in the reporting thread, and hopefully the mods can highlight it to Daz, so that the Daz team can put the time zone explicitly in the punch description. 

They shouild work on daz time, in synchrony with the switching in of new Debut releases, though as you say there were issues last year.

The answer on Gift Crads wasn't clear - they will probably, but not certainly, work today, but since it would then be possible to get a punch for buying the GC and punch fopr spending it they may look at changing that.

Thank you.
So you're saying that right now, the punch card follows MST (UTC-0700)?
Then, on that premise, I will try to shop "every day" to maintain the punch holes. 

CES3D

Cam Fox said:

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

I would guess the punches are coordinated to match the time that sales have been switching over - that's 1am Central from my POV, and I think it's always the same moment (in your respective time zone) for all customers.

If you're planning to maximize the punch promotion, from past experience there's usually some in-between days where you'll have to compromise your price target, or buy a product you wouldn't normally buy, to stay in the game. If you ever skip a day, there'll typically be a stronger day soon after, where you'll wish you had filled all the punches. :) No way to know in advance, so consider your budget and find a strategy that works for you.

The disappearing/reappearing punch sounds like a glitch to me.

Yes, I also thought the punch card followed the timing of DAZ's sales switchover, which means it should be MST now.
However, last year's punch card showed some behavior that made me unsure if it was actually following MST, so I had some doubts.
Richard says it should be in sync with the Debut release switchover, so I'll believe that.
Last year's strange behavior was probably just a glitch, as you said. 

CES3D

rokkr said:

CES3D said:

I have a query regarding the time zones used in punch card systems.
Specifically, when punch card rules mention terms like "a day", "daily" or "the next day," which time zone are they referring to? Is it Mountain Standard Time (MST), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), or the user's local time?

I encountered a strange occurrence last year. A hole that had been closed on my card was inexplicably reopened on the same day, according to MST.
I'm uncertain whether this indicates that the system operates on a time zone different from MST or if it was simply a technical glitch.

Without a clear understanding of the time zone used by the punch card system, it's difficult to maintain punched holes consistently on a daily basis.

GMT -7 (I guess it's because the offices of DAZ Productions, Inc. are located in West Jordan, Utah, as one can see in the footer of this page).

 

Yes.
I understand that DAZ's calendar generally follows MST/MDT. However, there are some parts that seem to be handled in time zones other than MST/MDT, so I wanted to be sure which time zone the punch card follows.

For example, the Daz+ coupon display changes to the next month's coupon when the user's local time changes to the next month (although the coupon doesn't actually become usable until the month changes in MST/MDT).
Looking at the My Orders page, you can see that the date assigned to "Order #" and the date displayed in the "Date" column follow different time zones.
During daylight saving time, the token expiration date display is one hour off from the actual expiration time.  Even though the display shows that there should be one hour left before expiration, that remaining one hour becomes invalid the moment the date changes in MDT.

Regarding the punch card, Richard says it should be in sync with the Debut release switchover, so I'll take his word for it.

 

kyoto kid

....so do items not on the sale page (lke Daz+ items) unlock a punch?

tombraider4ever

Just a quick complaint, sorry. Daz is NOT getting my money this holliday season, why? stamps that require me to buy EVERY single day to keep my discount at all, and make it higher???? And the LOUSY cookie settings, cl no to cookies again and again and again...... For every page. Logg out and in and it's still the same shit. So no money from me. Thanks in advance for possible holliday freebies  though, but those are from the people making them, aren't they.  Sorry to sound annoyed, but I'm in the worst time of my life. 

DasTri

gfdamron1 said:

That's correct. There is only one folder under her character name that has anything in it: Iray materials for skintone and make-up. Her body and head morphs are in the Parameters pane. That's all the included content I could find. It's kind of a strange way to set up a character from DAZ.

I have two "actors" for her, normal and HD, in the general character list (so in the character folder). In addition to parameters and her Material folder.
If she does not show up something is weired.

colcurve

So black friday is a 2.99$ shader item this time?

Elor

kyoto kid said:

....so do items not on the sale page (lke Daz+ items) unlock a punch?

As long as your spending at least $1, you'll get a punch in your card the next day.