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  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    With a $214.99 price tag, this is not being marketed toward the hobbyist. Yes, I got the orange banner, but sales and promos don't last
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,781

    mwokee said:

    With a $214.99 price tag, this is not being marketed toward the hobbyist. Yes, I got the orange banner, but sales and promos don't last

    Hobbyist generally buy at discounts, discounts are a given (their depth and nature vary).

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,009

    I got it at 90% off. (Banner coupon, Tempesta, and 8 tokens)

     

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,726
    edited July 18

    Oso3D said:

    I got it at 90% off. (Banner coupon, Tempesta, and 8 tokens)

     

    Yes, but you may be getting an extra discount as a PA. The best I could do with that combo was 88% off 

    Post edited by Charlie Judge on
  • lou_harperlou_harper Posts: 1,163

    Zatetic said:

    Monkeys have tails; primates do not have tails.  Where is Wukong's tail?

    Correction: monkeys have tails, apes–gorillas, chimps, oranguntans–don't.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,310

    Charlie Judge said:

    Yes, but you may be getting an extra discount as a PA. The best I could do with that combo was 88% off 

    The coupon is good 'til the 23rd, Perhaps it will still turn out to your advantage. smiley

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,009

    Charlie Judge said:

    Oso3D said:

    I got it at 90% off. (Banner coupon, Tempesta, and 8 tokens)

     

    Yes, but you may be getting an extra discount as a PA. The best I could do with that combo was 88% off 

     Heh, ok, sure, 88% is still pretty good!!

     

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,726

    Torquinox said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    Yes, but you may be getting an extra discount as a PA. The best I could do with that combo was 88% off 

    The coupon is good 'til the 23rd, Perhaps it will still turn out to your advantage. smiley

    Yes, but my tokens expire tomorrow. So, I'm only waiting until then. 

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,402

    lou_harper said:

    Zatetic said:

    Monkeys have tails; primates do not have tails.  Where is Wukong's tail?

    Correction: monkeys have tails, apes–gorillas, chimps, oranguntans–don't.

    SUn Wukong has a tail in almost all depictions. In fact his shapeshifting power explicitly does not transform his tail in the stories.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,053

    If we're talking about likenesses to other products, it's a close ringer to the classic PLANET OF THE APES designs back when they used makeup instead of CG... and knock-offs of those prosthetic designs are commonly sold now on etsy with "monkey king" being one of the suggested costume uses.    As for me, I'll probably never use the morph as intended, but since I could pick up the pro bundle for $26 and I already wanted the hair set and the John Wick suit enough to buy them seperately, it was an easy item to put in the cart.   

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,049

    TesseractSpace said:

    lou_harper said:

    Zatetic said:

    Monkeys have tails; primates do not have tails.  Where is Wukong's tail?

    Correction: monkeys have tails, apes–gorillas, chimps, oranguntans–don't.

    SUn Wukong has a tail in almost all depictions. In fact his shapeshifting power explicitly does not transform his tail in the stories.

    lou_harper was correcting Zatetic (apes and monkeys are both primates, so saying "monkeys have tails but primates don't" is contradictory), not arguing against Wu Kong 9 having a tail.

  • midgard229midgard229 Posts: 38
    Gordig said:

    To reiterate, yes the CHARACTER of Sun Wukong is in the public domain, but that's not how copyright/trademark works. For example, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein novel is in the public domain, but Universal's depiction of the monster is not. In the case of 3D products, the work of creating the specific Sun Wukong character in the upcoming game is subject to copyright. That's why you're free to sell a character for G9 that moves the vertices around, but you're not allowed to sell G9 itself: the base mesh and rigging are the property of Daz.

    This is Daz's Wukong character:

    And this is Wukong as depicted in the upcoming game:

    They're not just similar designs, they might literally be the same mesh, as it's not unheard of for Daz to license products from their creators. There are three possibilities here:

    1. Daz licensed the character from the upcoming game, in which case the creator(s) and/or studio may or may not want an Editorial License attached
    2. Somebody recreated the Wukong from the upcoming game, and Daz released it as a character, ideally not being aware of the figure's origin
    3. It's all an extraordinary coincidence
    It's not the same mesh, for that to happen daz would need to get their hands on the actual files somehow before the game is out, still a month ahead of release, rip it and sell it..... Which is not what daz does. Secondly, daz's iteration much more resembles Monkey Magic's version from 1978 than it does the black myth game.
  • SolitarySandpiperSolitarySandpiper Posts: 566
    edited July 19

    midgard229 said:

    Gordig said:

    To reiterate, yes the CHARACTER of Sun Wukong is in the public domain, but that's not how copyright/trademark works. For example, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein novel is in the public domain, but Universal's depiction of the monster is not. In the case of 3D products, the work of creating the specific Sun Wukong character in the upcoming game is subject to copyright. That's why you're free to sell a character for G9 that moves the vertices around, but you're not allowed to sell G9 itself: the base mesh and rigging are the property of Daz.

    This is Daz's Wukong character:

    And this is Wukong as depicted in the upcoming game:

    They're not just similar designs, they might literally be the same mesh, as it's not unheard of for Daz to license products from their creators. There are three possibilities here:

    1. Daz licensed the character from the upcoming game, in which case the creator(s) and/or studio may or may not want an Editorial License attached
    2. Somebody recreated the Wukong from the upcoming game, and Daz released it as a character, ideally not being aware of the figure's origin
    3. It's all an extraordinary coincidence
    It's not the same mesh, for that to happen daz would need to get their hands on the actual files somehow before the game is out, still a month ahead of release, rip it and sell it..... Which is not what daz does. Secondly, daz's iteration much more resembles Monkey Magic's version from 1978 than it does the black myth game.

    Don't see it myself... 

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,049

    midgard229 said:

    It's not the same mesh, for that to happen daz would need to get their hands on the actual files somehow before the game is out, still a month ahead of release, rip it and sell it..... Which is not what daz does. Secondly, daz's iteration much more resembles Monkey Magic's version from 1978 than it does the black myth game.

    I'm making no statement whatsoever about what happened, because I don't know. I also don't spend my time looking for assets ripped from video games, so I don't know if anything got leaked. Like I said, one of the possibilities is that Daz licensed the character from the studio, which would be completely above-board; another possibility is that it was inspired by the character from the upcoming game. Either way, a mod is currently investigating whether the character should have an Editorial License, which wouldn't even be a question if the character were a wholly original work, and it would be a pretty wild coincidence for this character to be released slightly over a month ahead of the most highly anticipated game of the summer.

  • oddboboddbob Posts: 394

    I think the head looks more vampire bat than monkey.

    Wu Kong head, Mercilus body and teeths, Death textures. Underwear because I don't know if vampire nipples are against the TOS.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,781

    Gordig said:

    midgard229 said:

    It's not the same mesh, for that to happen daz would need to get their hands on the actual files somehow before the game is out, still a month ahead of release, rip it and sell it..... Which is not what daz does. Secondly, daz's iteration much more resembles Monkey Magic's version from 1978 than it does the black myth game.

    I'm making no statement whatsoever about what happened, because I don't know. I also don't spend my time looking for assets ripped from video games, so I don't know if anything got leaked. Like I said, one of the possibilities is that Daz licensed the character from the studio, which would be completely above-board; another possibility is that it was inspired by the character from the upcoming game. Either way, a mod is currently investigating whether the character should have an Editorial License, which wouldn't even be a question if the character were a wholly original work, and it would be a pretty wild coincidence for this character to be released slightly over a month ahead of the most highly anticipated game of the summer.

    It shouldn't, and it isn't even that close to the game design (within the range of "Monkey King" designs). Choosing to do one now might owe a bit to the game, I don't know, but we had pigsy a while back - it may be that was successful enough to prompt them, or to prompt them to buy this from the PA who already had it in train.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455

    So you say, it is ok to use Wu Kong in renders to post in forums or even sell such renders?

     

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,402

    Artini said:

    So you say, it is ok to use Wu Kong in renders to post in forums or even sell such renders?

    It's not an editorial license, and given that in the past when an item released on a standard license and got an editorial later, it was usually later the same day. Wukong 9 still doesn't have one. So it's the standard license terms.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,781

    I see no reason to think otherwise, and certainly we have been told that the product was not meant to have an Editorial License.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,204
    edited July 19

    I have been using https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/paragon-wukong for free for years in several of my videos along with other free content in Unreal Engine

    so I doubt DAZ's version is going to attract any issues

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,601

    For a truly "tongue in cheek" retelling of the Chinese myths, might I recommend "Overly Sarcastic Productions" version narrated and illustrated (in a casual "manga" style) by "Red"?

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDb22nlVXGgdg_NR_-GtTrMnbMVmtSSXa

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455

    Great to know and Wu Kong bundle looks great.

    I hope that Daz 3D will create even more such interesting characters.

     

  • ZateticZatetic Posts: 286

    Thank you Charlie Judge and lou_harper for catching my primate error. I should have said monkeys have tales but apes (Hominidae) don't. Sun Wukong is an interesting literary and religious character. All of the historical depictions I have seem of him show him with a tale but I suppose that it is easier to remove it when developing a 3d version of him.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,009

    I will note that many of my anthro figures include a prop tail that is easy to adjust and move around, so it'd be trivial to add it in.

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,781

    Zatetic said:

    Thank you Charlie Judge and lou_harper for catching my primate error. I should have said monkeys have tales but apes (Hominidae) don't. Sun Wukong is an interesting literary and religious character. All of the historical depictions I have seem of him show him with a tale but I suppose that it is easier to remove it when developing a 3d version of him.

    He has a very long tale, but King kong has a tale too - it is in the possession of tails that they differ.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,009

    Here's an attempt with Oso Perrito tail:

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