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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    jrlaudio said:

    You guys are arguing about benchmarks, software, drivers, and API's that are irrelevent to DAZ's Iray, which in itself is a only a specific version of Iray. To compare this product to anything else (i.e. game benchmarks, cycles finally working properly, Octane) or anything other than Daz's Iray is a pointless discussion. Each engine is different, along with each specific application of CUDA and Pascal. They are unique and not mutually exclusive in terms of relative performance. You're comparing apples to oranges; and apples to cantelopes in some cases.

    We have to wait for Cuda 8 SDK and the Iray SDK update in their final release, then all the development and testing of those SDK's as applied at DAZ. This takes time, so cool your cherries and stop speculating on performance. We will not know what improvements are in store for DAZ's Iray on Pascal until the final DAZ Iray update is released.

    I agree that comparing render engines is a tough one, but I'll defend their right to have that discussion. It is pointless to you, then don't get involved, others have a right to also make their own choice.

     

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,505

    really the same as any other discussion we have on here speculating about things and seeing who guesses right and it's kinda fun and interesting plus those that haven't gotten the new cards are probably interested in those of us that do as to what benifits we're seeing in other areas of use of these cards as some do use their computers for other interests and applications too and of course once they work in iray many here will be interested in our results. Well for me I'm loving my new computer with my 2 1080s and games been playing yes been at maxed out settings and running smoothly and everything else is fast too whether on my main ssd drive or my secondry 2 raid hhd drives. Another on here zkuro who is a pa here has been saying they've seen alot of benifits too with them doing 4k painting speed quality massive improvement and been talking about various editing creation programs for our hobby and said should work extremely well and fast

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,588

    We have a possible specification for the 1080 ti, possibly expected in January 2017:

    http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx_1080ti_specifications_leak/1

    ...an additional 4GB memory

    ...an additional 768 cores

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Good one, now only question what is the price $1.100 ?  but seriously for me it make not sense it is too close in specification to Titan X Pascal so it is not going to be much cheaper if the leak is even true . You will be ending with better rendering power by going for 2 x 1080 for the same price if you ok with 8GB Vram .

    prixat said:

    We have a possible specification for the 1080 ti, possibly expected in January 2017:

    http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx_1080ti_specifications_leak/1

    ...an additional 4GB memory

    ...an additional 768 cores

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    prixat said:

    We have a possible specification for the 1080 ti, possibly expected in January 2017:

    http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx_1080ti_specifications_leak/1

    ...an additional 4GB memory

    ...an additional 768 cores

    But GDDR5, not 5X.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    edited September 2016
    prixat said:

    We have a possible specification for the 1080 ti, possibly expected in January 2017:

    http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx_1080ti_specifications_leak/1

    ...an additional 4GB memory

    ...an additional 768 cores

    Guru3d.com has confirmed the 'leak' on the supposed 1080Ti is faked.  That doesn't mean that nVidia isn't planning a 1080Ti, just that we still don't know what it will have.

    Personally, I'd expect it to be GP102 based, GDDR5X memory (unlike the fake leak), more cores (probably right in the middle between the TitanXP and the 1080, so 512 cores less than TitanXP and 512 more than 1080), and the same quantity of memory as a 1080.  Anything else would tend to kill the market for either the TitanXP or the 1080.  They won't risk that anytime soon.  I expect the cost to be pretty much in the middle between them as well.

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    +1 The speed may be closer to Titan X Pascal just with 8GB  of vram other way it make no sense for the business  

    hphoenix said:
    prixat said:

    We have a possible specification for the 1080 ti, possibly expected in January 2017:

    http://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx_1080ti_specifications_leak/1

    ...an additional 4GB memory

    ...an additional 768 cores

    Guru3d.com has confirmed the 'leak' on the supposed 1080Ti is faked.  That doesn't mean that nVidia isn't planning a 1080Ti, just that we still don't know what it will have.

    Personally, I'd expect it to be GP102 based, GDDR5X memory (unlike the fake leak), more cores (probably right in the middle between the TitanXP and the 1080, so 512 cores less than TitanXP and 512 more than 1080), and the same quantity of memory as a 1080.  Anything else would tend to kill the market for either the TitanXP or the 1080.  They won't risk that anytime soon.  I expect the cost to be pretty much in the middle between them as well.

     

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,382
    edited September 2016

    0.o

    @ reserved VRAM with windows 10

    Every card that offers more than 8 GB of VRAM is a welcome upgrade for most people.

    As long as microsoft is not changing how windows 10 reserves 20 to 25 % of available VRAM those 8 GB are pretty much the same as the 6 GB we had in Summer 2015 when everything was still working with windows 7 or 8.

    @ Pascal Titan X

    In many countries the Pascal Titan X was not even available to be ordered because they have no Nvidia online store.

    In those few countries were you could actually order it was repeatedly said to be out of stock.

    Distribution was controlled by only allowing shipments to customers with the same country code as the store and limited quantity of only two per customers.

    I contacted Nvidia Germany and USA multiple times. They were not able to help.

    The Pascal Titan X is a limited edition exclusive to Nvidia stores and is not even supported by the usual board partners. If you were legally able to get one or two, you are among the lucky few.

    @ 1080 Ti

    This means for most people the best hope is that the 1080 Ti is released rather sooner than later.

    They can release the 1080 Ti with either 10 or 12 GB of VRAM at the speed of  non overclocked standard 1080 and this will still be a very valuable upgrade for most people.

    - - -

     

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  • deleted userdeleted user Posts: 1,204
    edited September 2016

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

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  • jnwggsjnwggs Posts: 89
    Angel - Wings said:

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

    Does crossfiring double the Vram capacity? Won't you still only have 8 gigs with 2 cards? Won't your scene still be limited to 8 gigs? I know Sli doesn't double it.

  • nakamuram002nakamuram002 Posts: 788
    Angel - Wings said:

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

    A GTX 1070 for $340!!  Where!!

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

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    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Doesn't make sense to release it atm.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    edited September 2016
    Angel - Wings said:

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

    Crossfire is the multi-card linking protocol used by AMD cards.  SLI is what nVidia cards use.

    SLI does not produce additive memory.  SLI two 8GB 1070 cards, and you still have 8GB available.  You just have twice the cores of a single 1070 (each 1070 gets the same copy of the scene for it's own memory, and the scene to render must fit on each card.)

    Also, Iray does not use SLI....in fact, it can cause problems in Iray.

     

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  • PiscesdreamsPiscesdreams Posts: 91

    Is there another thread I may have overlooked where Daz staff may have posted regarding Pascal support?  I'm starting to get a bit antsy to know if I should take the plunge for a 1080 or another card.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583

    All that's been posted officially is the Change Log which states:

       Update to NVIDIA Iray 2016.2 beta (272800.3649)

    is in the Private Beta channel.  If and when it will show up in the Public Beta would depend on whether the Private testers find major bugs with it.

  • PiscesdreamsPiscesdreams Posts: 91

    Hear's to hoping for good news soon.  Thanks!

  • deleted userdeleted user Posts: 1,204

    nakamuram002 said:

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

    A GTX 1070 for $340!!  Where!!

     I got it though a friend of mine who works for Apple PC. He can get good deals on almost anything.

  • deleted userdeleted user Posts: 1,204
    edited September 2016
    hphoenix said:
    Angel - Wings said:

    Well I just ordered the 1070. I hope both are updated on the launch day. The 1080 looked so nice, but... I couldnt afford $650.00 up front. I got my 1070 for $340.00. Not a bad trade especially considering I'll be crossfiing (x2) 1070's in the future. 16 Gigs is more then enough and for a little more then 700.00 . I'm out performing a 1080 by a whole lot. but I suppose without the support. I wont be able to make much with iray, if anything at all. Lucky for me, I know my way around in Reality 4. I'll be using that until launch day.

    Crossfire is the multi-card linking protocol used by AMD cards.  SLI is what nVidia cards use.

    SLI does not produce additive memory.  SLI two 8GB 1070 cards, and you still have 8GB available.  You just have twice the cores of a single 1070 (each 1070 gets the same copy of the scene for it's own memory, and the scene to render must fit on each card.)

    Also, Iray does not use SLI....in fact, it can cause problems in Iray.

     

    I'll keep that in mind. Thank you. Maybe in the future I'll be lucky and to pick up a used 1070 for cheap, just for scene support. Still worth it IMHO.

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  • GatorGator Posts: 1,294
    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Since it's aimed at gamers, I doubt it will have more than 8GB.

     

    Battlefront, which is one of the most demanding graphically, is supposedly using about 5.5GB or RAM at 4K everything at Ultra on my system.  The extra RAM won't do anything for gamers, which is the audience the card is targeted at.  More RAM will just make it cost more.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    That is what I am saying for a long time , make no sense to make TI at all with Pascal series , Evga and other manfuacturers pushed it already to the max with better cooling than Nvidia  stock cards

    scott762_948aec318a said:
    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Since it's aimed at gamers, I doubt it will have more than 8GB.

     

    Battlefront, which is one of the most demanding graphically, is supposedly using about 5.5GB or RAM at 4K everything at Ultra on my system.  The extra RAM won't do anything for gamers, which is the audience the card is targeted at.  More RAM will just make it cost more.

     

  • JoelLovellJoelLovell Posts: 114
    MEC4D said:

    That is what I am saying for a long time , make no sense to make TI at all with Pascal series , Evga and other manfuacturers pushed it already to the max with better cooling than Nvidia  stock cards

    scott762_948aec318a said:
    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Since it's aimed at gamers, I doubt it will have more than 8GB.

     

    Battlefront, which is one of the most demanding graphically, is supposedly using about 5.5GB or RAM at 4K everything at Ultra on my system.  The extra RAM won't do anything for gamers, which is the audience the card is targeted at.  More RAM will just make it cost more.

     

    I'm keenly interested in how the GTX1080 stacks up vs Titan X P. Think I could push it with 5 hybrids in this motherboard? :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132838&ignorebbr=1

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,294
    MoNeart said:
    MEC4D said:

    That is what I am saying for a long time , make no sense to make TI at all with Pascal series , Evga and other manfuacturers pushed it already to the max with better cooling than Nvidia  stock cards

    scott762_948aec318a said:
    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Since it's aimed at gamers, I doubt it will have more than 8GB.

     

    Battlefront, which is one of the most demanding graphically, is supposedly using about 5.5GB or RAM at 4K everything at Ultra on my system.  The extra RAM won't do anything for gamers, which is the audience the card is targeted at.  More RAM will just make it cost more.

     

    I'm keenly interested in how the GTX1080 stacks up vs Titan X P. Think I could push it with 5 hybrids in this motherboard? :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132838&ignorebbr=1

    I'm confused.  4-way SLI/4 PCIe slots - where you get 5? 

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,974

     

     

    Fixmypcmike said:

    All that's been posted officially is the Change Log which states:

       Update to NVIDIA Iray 2016.2 beta (272800.3649)

    is in the Private Beta channel.  If and when it will show up in the Public Beta would depend on whether the Private testers find major bugs with it.

    Me and my 1080 thanks you for this info, and looking forward to an update as it seems that the SDK is finally out!

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    You can with 4 hybrids and 40 lanes CPU , there is additional 4 pin power supply to support better the graphic cards and 12GB Vram would be my choice if the budged allow 

    MoNeart said:
    MEC4D said:

    That is what I am saying for a long time , make no sense to make TI at all with Pascal series , Evga and other manfuacturers pushed it already to the max with better cooling than Nvidia  stock cards

    scott762_948aec318a said:
    MEC4D said:

    They are both so closer to each other that when you see the % of the performance it make not even sense to make 1080Ti , for what 10% faster than 1080 and 10% slower than Titan X P ?  other manufacturers boosted 1080  already to the level of TI just with 8GB, additional 2GB still will not make it worth the price as you will end better with Titan X P in this case than waste money on Ti on steroids 

    nicstt said:

    I'd expect it to have more memory; it has always had more than the x80 it superseded. Doesn't mean it will, only that I'm expecting it; 10GB is a possible, but that takes it awefully close to the titan.

    Nvidia are just greedy.

     

    Since it's aimed at gamers, I doubt it will have more than 8GB.

     

    Battlefront, which is one of the most demanding graphically, is supposedly using about 5.5GB or RAM at 4K everything at Ultra on my system.  The extra RAM won't do anything for gamers, which is the audience the card is targeted at.  More RAM will just make it cost more.

     

    I'm keenly interested in how the GTX1080 stacks up vs Titan X P. Think I could push it with 5 hybrids in this motherboard? :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132838&ignorebbr=1

     

  • PoisenedLilyPoisenedLily Posts: 280

    So does anyone know if there is any new news on the Iray drivers for Pascal? Last I heard they said end of September. Well here we are and no news yet lol At least not that I can find!

  • k99goran_b6e9fcc378k99goran_b6e9fcc378 Posts: 10

    Just downloaded Geforce drivers version 372.90, which comes with support for Cuda 8.0.
    Cuda 8.0 in turn comes with support for Pascal.

    It didn't do anything for the performance in Daz Studio, but I think it might be necessary when the next version of Iray reaches the public beta.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    things like iray drivers for Pascal don't exist ,  the engine support the new architecture or not and it is not yet ready for the public as I am waiting for the new features as well, you can follow the DS beta thread in Daz Studio Forum for news and updates of the new beta releases , it is already in private build so will be here soon by the next beta build I hope . The new iray engine build that support Pascal architecture  is # 2016.2 so look for the LOGs on the first page .

    PoisenedLily said:

    So does anyone know if there is any new news on the Iray drivers for Pascal? Last I heard they said end of September. Well here we are and no news yet lol At least not that I can find!

     

  • jnwggsjnwggs Posts: 89
    k99goran_b6e9fcc378 said:

    Just downloaded Geforce drivers version 372.90, which comes with support for Cuda 8.0.
    Cuda 8.0 in turn comes with support for Pascal.

    It didn't do anything for the performance in Daz Studio, but I think it might be necessary when the next version of Iray reaches the public beta.

    I just upgraded my driver to that too. Where do you see that it comes with support for Cuda 8.0? I was looking for something like that but didn't see it mentioned.

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