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No, not tired at all. At least not yet.
I'd just rather not drive away all the others with our going back and forth about our differences of opinion and how we interpret things. Nor do I want Richard to have to come in moderate us.....
("No Dad! He started it!" "No he did!" "No, She did!")
*gets ready to run and hide from the mods*
Everyone have own view on things and see things differently as nobody run on the same wave length , sometimes we talk about the same things just with different words so thanks for having your own brain in this conversations as that is what I respect people for . I guess Richard;s radar kicks in thinking we going to lose it but not so fast .. we have still one month of speculations , who knows what tomorrow brings us again ..
@Richard , thank you for your services !
I watched those videos blew me away how fast your renders were, well those other two builds chronos and battlbox were around 8-$10,000 + area so from this other site and from what you say that is one hell of a massive saving which of course also means I can then afford to beef it up more how much guess really depends on the 850w power supply not sure if I can go to 1000-1050-1200w upgrades as said before on those 1500w not possible to use. Ok if went one titan would that be good enough for anything and everything? and if these 1080s turn out to be really good or 1080ti everyone is hinting at could I combine that with the titan or would it counter against titan and better having two titans? Ok so this build wanna be able to have the options to do anything with it be it daz/iraying, 3d creation, video, photo editing, and yeah if I want to high end gaming. Don't want to be restricted in what can do. So need a lot of hard drive space how many drives can I have how many ssd should have, for ssd drive largest is 1tb go for and the hdd 4tb how many of each? do not want to run out of space and I can and will fill up hard drives easily. I7 6900k or I7 6950k? thought 2 x 32gb ripjaws that would make it a 64gbsystem? going for bluray writer. Cooler Master MasterAir Maker 8 CPU Cooler or Corsair Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler only $6 difference know you all say water ones often want zero maintence both sound good. Corsair Obsidian 750D Air Flow Edition Full Tower Case this case sounds looks real good lots of fans and airflow and large. In motherboard the first one listed sounds arr may not be that great but 2 and 3 ASUS ROG STRIX X99 Gaming Intel LGA 2011-3 ATX Motherboard and MSI X99A Godlike Gaming Carbon LGA 2011-3 RGB Motherboard sound good but #2 the Strix sounds like has lot more usb ports which is handy and $200 cheaper. In W10 home or pro and dvd or usb guess that part don't matter. Oh and adding High Performance CPU Thermal Compound Application, Card Keeper Model CK08-1225 - Video Card Holder and CPU Cooler Upgrade Service ('Does not include CPU cooler Unit) as well as extra packaging for transport
all this with 2 ssd 4 hdd 2 titans motherboard option 2+ top wireless still works out under $10,000 with one titan just under $8,300 so all in all cheaper than the battlbox slightly more than chronos both with 2 1080s does the titan handle 4k stuff well? I read 1080 is really good for 4k so if go one titan then later when it's all fixed add 1080 for 4k if needed or wait and add 1080ti for 4k stuff?
and what I listed am able to have in a build with a 850w power supply? like said 1500w no go but don't know about the 1000, 1050 or 1200w
I think you getting too high with the 850W .. X99A Godlike use 12 pin CPU power supply and the processors are power hungry too , I think it is better for you to wait for the 1080 and then decide on the rest of the system , you pick good stuff but cost a lot too . You don't need that all for just 1 card or 2 it is more for 3 or 4 cards as I am using . If you want 2 cards in the future it is best to have it from the same mother . I purchased first 1 Titan X SC then later second one , and this year one more as my rig grow so I added more and better stuff at lower price , so make plan what you really want in the future, 2 cards and one for monitor or 1 for rendering and one for monitor , you can have best speed for half the price you mentioned and you don't need Godlike as it cost us $600 and you don't go to run 4 cards due to the power , you can go with Asus X99 Deluxe 3.1/USB what is very good too and you can run 3 cards , CPU you need 40 lanes for more than 2 cards , 26 lanes CPU is good for max 2 cards , I have older 26 lanes CPU but had troubles with 3 cards and had to shut down USB and some Sata ports so it was not exactly what I want , I also have i7820K what have 40 lanes but only 4 cores and then i74790K with 16 lanes but was great with 2 cards as my early mother board had chip to support extra lanes .
one more month and we know exactly if 1080 are worth the purchase , if I build new rig and have nothing else I would wait , Titan X or 1080 both works fine with 4K , both works the same with video editions and other stuff the question only is iray if it is not fast as it should be, you know what to do and can build your system around the card of your choice , if you want gaming with your power issue you better wait for 1080 other way you will need to go with the 1000W to support all this stuff you want especially if you want run 2 cards and 8 core CPU and play games . Then first thing you need to choice the right case for best air flow as you will need good one , the Corsair Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler is very good , I used before but you can go with smaller radiator like 240mm what is enough for 8 core CPU as you don't going to over clock your CPU and how more we talk how more confused it will be , so let wait if you can and then you can decide and build your super rig that you will have long pleasure with for a long time
k thanks yes can wait bit longer just don't wanna limit myself and regret wasting money and thinking if spent little more could done better and vice versa this build is a one off never have this money again to get something good so it's gotta be something that'll last years and I'll never be able to replace it for anything anywhere as good it is a lot of money I still love the origin models I looked at and yeah maybe am overkilling shows how much I know and understand which is very little but at least I've learned a lot of models in our stores mostly harvey norman being our best are pretty poor admittly if didn't have a choice would probably buy from best think or at least dearest hp envy at $4000 with gtx 960a. There few local computer stores one has a graphic workstation with i5 and gt750 for $1500 -my laptop hasi7 and gtx 850m so thats a downgrade, their best computer is a gamer with i7 6700 SRock Z170-Pro4 ATX Motherboard, NZXT Kraken X61 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler and gtx 970 for $3000 on sale, then there's that predator could rent think will be $200 month for 3 years, Dells alienware ours different to us versions but they have bad rep with customer service and I did try to buy it too before talking to you and others but everytime went to checkout got a blank white screen in way lucky after seeing 1500w not an option for me. We did have sounded like a really good computer guy Taspro in my town was going to check out did some nice custom builds his website his biggest cards are 980ti and 980ti gold editions but he moved interstate which is pity would have liked to sat down with the guy and talked it out. This last place well seems to be cheapest and still have titans and they have the 1070s but not the 1080s but why go 70s 1080s better but as you and others said we do not know of the iray benifits yet but if they turn out good well the benifits may outweigh what it has less of compared to titan BUT I read some reviews of this site not all glowing yeah lots of good ones but I like to read the negatives gives an idea how good really are. And back to origin yes more expensive but they do do good builds and are really well built put together and they do have great service and apperently over service even after warrenty run out and how they ship and pack gotta be best out there. They no longer seem to offer titans best card offering is 2x gtx 1080s though think on the millenium and genesis models they offer 4x gtx 980ti but can't afford those models why picked their battlbox version (nice massive case)and chronos pro - that's their pc marked as a graphics workstation with 2 gtx 1080s and maxed out everything else choice of cases wasn't sure which better, cp also had more powerful cards in 1 and 2x quadro k6000 but these are way to much 1=$6843 and 2= $13686 And like said origin does have great reviews and I've looked for negatives can't really find any except about price still you do get good value for money they also have monthly deals offering discounts, bonus freebies or free upgrades on parts Yeah I'd still consider them even though cost more and didn't offer as much as the other on the grounds of their reputation, delivery and service-if you buy warrenty anything wrong they ship you crate and packaging and return post to-from all free of charge as well as free replacement parts during warrenty, and their reviews and how well built their systems are I'd be willing to pay that for that and even after ran out they still offer services though locally could get a fix for $100 not counting replacement parts of course
Next month is July and here in Australia we have this thing called Christmas in July and a lot of stores have huge sales on all kinds of things with heavily discounts on stuff and or bonuses offered so who knows may be something really good hopefully
Furryball GPU renderer added support for the GTX 10XX cards, they also have there own build in benchmark . Since i have a GTX 1070, ran it on my own system.
Benchmark result total ratio 1.14
A GTX titan is the refrence card. Not sure if this gives any indication of the iray performance but it is fun to do/see ;).
http://furryball.aaa-studio.eu/benchmark?cards[]=NVIDIA%20GeForce%20GTX%201070&score=1.14244
I'd view those numbers with suspicion, as the 1080 scores below the regular titan (0.85), and we know the 1080 has more cores and higher base clock than the 1070.
Total BS ,
Plus the scores does not indicate if the cards are super clocked or stock cards and if my 1 x Titan X score is higher than 3 x Titan X score then it is clear ... stay away from that benchmark app , not to mention it show total different results each time I run the benchmark
Interested in real GPU benchmarks ? check this out https://unigine.com/products/benchmarks/heaven/
GTX 1080 Iray? yae, nay, still in the works? no word yet?
I presume that goes for the GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 as well.
Still in the works. They said it would be ready supposedly around SIGGRAPH, which is at the end of the month (July 24-28). Then expect a few bug-fixes within a few weeks after that.
It applies to ALL the 1000 series (the Pascal-based cards).
Finally got my new card , this time new and original sealed Titan X Hybrid , surprising huge difference in iray than with 3 cards only , the GPU scaling is great also reduced the clock speed to 1277Mhz for all cards to match as 2 of them are at 1277Mhz and 2 at 1377Mhz nice and cool when idle 23C using 9 Watts and on full load 37C using 160Watts while rendering so total 640Watts for 4 cards
also found out that when you use speed under Optimization the Optix need to be set Off , when using memory the Optix need to be On , the scaling is much better using this combinations.
also rendering small scenes with over 12000 cuda cores make no difference if I use 3 or 4 cards but the real boost is with bigger scenes or complex volumetric materials
My dream rig is done ! time for some test animation
When you get bored and pick up four Titan P's in a few months time, i'll swap you my first born for that glorious rig. Oh and I don't have a first born yet, so i'll need a heads up :)
LOL thanks , but not going for Titan P , to have above 12000 cuda cores I will need 4 Titan P and 1600Watts will be not enough for 4 Titan P + my CPU , only for that and CPU I need 1640Watts and where the power for the rest of the system that is more than double as I am using now , not efficient for me , I am waiting next 2 years until better stuff come out with more cudas and less power consumption in total less cards
Titan X are the last card that can be run in 4 way and be energy efficient and I am not going to settle for less Cudas , right now I set my msec to ZERO under DRAW it is fantastic , made some tests preview of the performance and putting together to show you . Stonemason sets flying around like a cube lol
So you're sticking with the Titan x's? I have a Titan x and was looking to get another but i thought the new 1080's might perform better. I suppose i'll probably just pick up another Titan x if that's the case. My Cpu needs an upgrade soon though, i'm running an FX8350 and it's starting to show its age now. It might even be worth swapping to intel at this point since i haven't seen anything exiting come from amd for a while.
May i ask - Do you get your titans new or second hand/refurbished? I live in the UK and we get awful rates on new cards, not quite as bad as australia, but still poor. Each new Titan x costs me around £1000. I can pick them up much cheaper second hand but i've never used second hand kit before ... should it be trusted?
I go with Titan X Hybrids as I had already 2 of them so I keep the 12GB VRAM intact for that reason I added 2 more , If I add slower card it will slower performance of my card and if I add faster my other cards will slow it down so you should keep the cards the same for best GPU scaling . 1080 will be not faster as my cards as I don't run stock Titan X , my boost clock is 1377Mhz and can be easy set to 1500Mhz but I keep it at lower core speed not need more actually with 4 cards as the render are almost instant so I am all good .
My cards are new and with 3 years warranty , I pay for the last one $1000 including tax and shipping water cooled Hybrid too the retails is around $1500 so it was good deal .
It is hard to trust the sellers as I purchased last week for half price and was fake Hybrid but I got refund and purchased new one sealed after , so you never know until you open the box , make sure your purchase is protected just in case .
BTW here is Performance test I just made this evening , the bigger scenes performed better and faster
check the video below
EVGA have crazy sales on 980TI cards some only $399
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+900+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+980+Ti
Not just the 980Ti cards. 970's, 960's are also on huge discounts. 970 SSC w/ACX2.0+ is $250 with a $30 MIR. The Plain 970 ACX 2.0 is $230 with a $30 MIR. The plain 960 Gaming is $140 with a $20 MIR. The 960 SSC ACX2.0+ is $170 with a $20 MIR.
That's as low as $120 for a 960 GTX, and as low as $200 for a 970 GTX.
Around 30% - 40% off.....direct from the manufacturer. And the few b-stock they have are pretty well priced too. The 970 SSC is only $200 from eVGA b-stock.
Yeah! I know
MEC4D,
I want to marry your computer
sorry we are very much in love at THIS moment
lol
after reading that the images that popped into my head
I'm just curious what's so great about Quadro M5000 saw a build with one card very expensive but looking at the specs the new gtx 1080 has more of everything and is way cheaper
It's quite a controversial topic, but you'll often get different answers depending on where you ask anyway. Some say gaming cards are gimped, some say it's more focused driver solutions, and some say the quadro range are just more geared for straight up compute operations. I've never owned, nor needed to own a pro-grade card since the benefits aren't really clear.
The official company line is - Workstation cards are optimized for for specific purposes, such as CAD and physics simulations, But under the hood, they're not much different. The flipside to this is that workstation cards do not perform very well in terms of gaming, which obviously isn't a problem if these things are racked and used for farm processing. In my opinion, the price just isn't justified.
Here are GPUs and CPU usage while rendering image sequences using just 4 GPUs, as you see CPU 8 cores are used as well even if not selected under rendering setting , only when using 4 GPUs
GPUs use only around 180W downclocked to 1277Mhz stock speed 1377Mhz , temp around 37C
CPU use around 100W slightly overclocked to 3.7 Ghz stock max speed 3.5Mhz
not too bad at all , I am only very much surprised by the CPU core usage as other programs running iray don't use more than 4 cores with 4 GPUs but also are less fast than iray in DS .
The system fans are quiet not hearing fans at all and the air is not even warm behind radiators
Chip manufacturers opperate a binning process.
Intel as an example will select wafers (silicon) and decide if each section is suitable for an i3, i7 or a xeon. If it is an i3, then all the unused cores/sections will be disabled. The better they are the higher the processor they are set asside for; it is a way for them to cut down on wastage.
Nvidia will do likewise; the lower ones are 1060 material, and the higher will be 1080 - or whatever.
Quadro M6 have the same chip as Titan X and run at much slower core clock so I don;t see it this way , all people that use quadro card are very disapointed as for rendering there is nothing better about than gtx , for deep learnung and other stuff yes , card run slower living longer and for us there is nothing that will improve our workflow than simple gtx , we are not in the sector for need any of the quadro it is waste of money
so it's more of a bragging name type thing than anything another plus for the 1080 then, even though said wouldn't really be gaming there are some coming out after many years been a fan of so that's change things for me the main thing still my art but these games I'm interested in and by the time I get around to ordering this computer got all this month for this deal looking at it wont arrive till August which by then we'll have the drivers for iray the 1080s may not have as many cores as titans but still nothing to really complain about and it does have other things going for it. Seen a few workstations, so called professional pcs built for video, photo, cad, 3d creation not as many as gaming machines of course which offer more, but these so call professional high end machines are pretty unimpressive with very low end cards for the most part my laptop has a better card than most of them and better in other areas admittedly I don't really know much of anything and if I hadn't taken my time looking researching and following these threads here too I probably would have been easily talked into buying or renting something from our local stores a waste of money pc and again would've had to settle for that too if hadn't been left some money which is allowed me to get something decent that will I really hope will last me many years
1080 stock card is not worthy purchase for iray , you need to go with faster version to begin with and better cooling than the stock card or you reduce the GPU life-spam very quick, but 2 more weeks and we see how it perform in iray , and what for games is for games total different thing , if you want to invest for something good for iray wait for Titan P , more memory, more cuda cores faster rendering and definitely great workstation card that will be fast in any programs and games .
The today Nvidia new display driver 368.81 improved a lot the GPU scaling while rendering in iray , I left the setting as default under Nvidia Panel , the CPU usage is now max 55% with iray still 8 cores less Power usage and lower temp while GPU rendering, very nice and stable GPU scaling with multiple GPUs , I guess the new driver addition they made to the VR helping a lot some how , rendering also much faster now than this morning , very smooth frame by frame .
I wonder if 1080 working in iray with this new driver