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Any news on when the upgrade (and card support) is due? As I said, I MUST buy a new card in the next week, and there is no point buying an expensive, cutting edge card that isn't going to boost my rendering time until "sometime" in the future.
Now it is up to DAZ when they release upgrade .. they may working on it already who knows .. Nvidia did their job already , it would be better to ask in the DS Beta thread as here nobody will know
There is no other way .. it must be
Seems very bad advice given current conditions. RIGHT NOW he has ZERO CUDA support for iray since he took out his old card and put in the 1080. It makes PERFECT sense for him to put the old card back in and use for iray until the support for the 1080 is in place.
You misunderstand the subject .. everyone knows 1080 does not work with iray in DS yet , the question was about using 670 as monitor only and 1080 for rendering when iray is ready .. for now he need to use 670 with iray as it is only way ..and he know it , the question was for the future use of Pascal cards with iray, not now.
Umm, no. Actually, I was asking if I might as well pop the 670 back in alongside the 1080 in order to do CUDA processing until such time as the 1080 was supported. :) - then remove it again since not needed for additional monitors.
I do hope the 1080 gets support soon. Our game uses pre-rendered sprites made in Daz. I definitely need to upgrade from my 760. I've thought about just trying to get two 980ti cards or a Titan X but that's sadly not within my budget.
If it all revolves around cuda cores for rendering, would I just be better off with 1 or 2 980ti card(s) rather than a 1080? The cuda cores are higher in the 980ti it seems.
That’s an excellent question. I was trying to get some benchmarks but didn't found anything conclusive yet (still looking). GTX980ti has in fact a lot more cuda cores, but the core speed is lower, also in my country (Portugal) GTX980ti is the same price of GTX1070 but 200€ less than GTX1080. I'm still looking between GTX980ti or GTX1070... but even with lower cuda's I think GTX1070 is more future proof since it is significantly better in gaming.
you can get 2 used 980ti for the price of 1 1080. The interesting thing is that:
- used cards are really recent (less than 1y and most likely less than 6 month)
- some of them are reall fast (not at base clock). So, the clock gate between 1080 and 980ti seems closer.
Just 2*980ti eat way more power than 1080, but I bet you gat way faster results (2.5 times the number of CUDA)
Compare CUDA cores from the same generation.
Comparing them between generations is not reliable, and a similar number on the later generation will be better than the earlier one.
(There are those that claim the 780ti is better than the 980ti for example. I've not seen any reviews with the 780 is better; I've linked a number showing the 980 being the better card.)
Yes you need to go to NVIDIA's website and look up the stats on both cards to get an idea of which will look best.
I presume you can back up this claim; the reason I ask is that there are not any IRAY comparrisons as far as I am aware? As I say in my previous posts, you're making the mistake of comparing CUDA from different generations.
I'm not saying two 980ti wont actually be faster than one 1080, but 'way faster' suggests a lot. Personally I'd be reluctant to influence someone's purchase without evidence to back it up.
Well, I did just a really mesured and t=iny speculation. I considered the evolution of single core CUDA efficienty probable evolution, knowing what we got in the previous kepler/maxwell evolution. At same speed, the evolution in IRAY was not a big gap. Lets say between 10 and 20% AFTER driver optimisation (wich was not at first release, hence most of deception around there at this time).
Technically, 10% is really a BIG gap for architechture only. But we have also an increase of clock speed (thanks to the new 14/16nm process).. So, after all those data, it is all about math, multiplications and CUDA numbers. And you got easy results, reliables. The bad news according to some enthousisat pro renderers (thank you Cath/MEC4D!
) is that iray doesn't scale super nicely with cards numbers (you don't get twice efficiency for 2 cards).
I too am hoping the 1070 will be better than the 980ti; I'm expecting it to be about the same or slightly better, but I'm not prepared to put cash into that expection. Nor am I going to recommend anyone doing the same.
Sorry, my intention wasn't to offend; I was only being critical as it was buying advice you were offering.
As I've said, I'm inclined to agree with you, although I'm not sure what 'way faster' equates too. :)
Nvidia have hobbled the silicon used in the consumer cards, and while I think that is related to the deep-learning processes: I'm waiting to see IRAY results. (In affect, some folks that might have paid 2000 to 6000 for a pro card, were buying Titans.)
Just tried running Daz Studio BETA version 4.9.3.56 with my EVGA NVidia GTX 1080, and it doesn't seem to work yet.
The software detects the graphics card, but the editor is slow (rotating the view results in a low framerate), and I cannot render in IRAY using only the GPU. It just stops.
I built a new computer around a GTX 1070 graphics card. My old computer was 12 years old, and was pretty basic to begin with. I choose the GTX 1070 based upon the recommendations in this DAZ3d instructional...
https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/207530513-System-Recommendations-for-DAZ-Studio-4-
In this instructional, he tells me that Iray can only use Cuda cores, and that more are better than less. He talks about using older cards with Cuda cores and he talks about the Titan X being the best. I bought the GTX 1070 because it was the best I could afford. It has 8 gigs of video ram, so it can handle a large scene, and 1980 Cuda cores, which should make a significant difference in render times compared to what my motherboard video card and the I5 CPU can do.
Nowhere in his instructional does he mention that the GTX 1970 isn't supported by Daz3d and cannot be used for rendering in Iray. I think this instructional should be ammended to reflect that fact so that others don't get screwed like I did. I would have bought a couple of older cards if I'd been told that the GTX 1070 doesn't work. I found out the hard way that the card doesn't work with Daz3d. As k99goran_b6e9fcc378 just wrote, even the editor is slow. The work space drags when I move things around. As I mentioned, I have an I5. I also have 16 gigs of system ram and a solid state hard drive, so things should be working smoothly with a high end GPU like this included with all that. When I try to render with just the GPU ( unchecking the CPU box), it renders for two seconds, and then tells me to close, without any image being formed. I don't play games, so I don't have any to give the card a workout, and I've never heard my GPU working (making noise). The fan turns, Daz3d won't start if I remove the card from the computer because the Open Gl is too low on my motherboard, and Geforce recognizes it and updates the drivers no problem, so I know that the card is functioning. I've found out that the fastest way to render is with the GPU box unchecked and only the CPU checked.
I find it disturbing that Daz3d would put a "System Recommendation" article in their instructionals that misleads people into investing in the wrong equipment. I am new to Daz3d, coming from Blender, and MakeHuman, and I've bought a number of items from their stores and most of it can't be used. I want to make some animations in Iray but at 30 frames per second, and 45 minutes to render a single frame with only one character standing alone in a scene that contains no other objects or elements (just loading the basic Genesis 3 model and hitting "render" in Iray mode), that is not possible. It would take the next decade to make a simple 40 minute animation.
Jon
This is a new card architecture, we have every reason to expect that it will be supported by Iray though as yet we have been given no firm dates. The pascal cards were not available when the technical note was written.
I can appreciate all that. The technical note was "still there", and was the "only one" from Daz Studios regarding what to invest my money in computer equipment wise, when I was scouring the web looking for information on what my best purchase choices were regarding Daz3d and my hardware upgrade. If the technical note had been amended or updated, or even had a side note, when I make my decision, I would have known, and perhaps made a different decision regarding my GPU.
It does have a date.
The 1070 may turn out to have about the same or better performance than the Titan or 980ti; but until the IRAY drivers are available, it is speculation. September seems to be the estimations floating around, although Daz personnel have not given any real idea when.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Don't the drivers come from Nvidia? Why would Daz personnel know when Nvidia is going to release them any more than the rest of us?
I'm sure I'll be happy with my 1070 once it is actually usable with Daz3d, and Blender for that matter, since they are in the same boat. But I paid high dollars for my card because it is cutting edge (or so I figured) and I bought it over Radeon etc because that technical article said that I needed Cuda cores to make Daz3d work well. But, there was no mention about drivers not being ready and no true date when they will be working. It's like having a dealer recommend a certain kind of vehicle for work and finding out after you've bought it that it has to stay in the garage for some undeterminable length of time because the dealer didn't mention that the manufacturer hasn't finished building it and it won't run. I bought all sorts of products from DS thinking that they would all work fine with my new computer and GPU and I'm having to render everything without any Iray materials and in Basic OpenGl because that is the only way I can get decent render times for animation. I just think that somebody at DS should take a moment and add a quick note to that technical article about the 1000 series drivers not being ready so others don't pay top dollars for a card that doesn't work yet. I'm sure it means that somebody has to spend a few minutes doing that, but it would have saved me a grand, and perhaps others who might look to DS for advice on what to buy today. It could always be amended after the cards are up and running. I'm not upset with DS for this by the way, I just think it was an oversight to not amend the technical article when it became apparent that this is an issue. This is their only technical recommendation for computing hardware for their program and I think that it should be maintained the current situations, not situation from last year, which in the computer world is like a decade...
I had to buy a card this week for a new system, and I agonized over whether to get an older 980 ti or the newer GTX 1070. I finally opted for the latter card, as I know they will eventually get the new drivers and support ready for it. In the meantime, I can use the GTC 965 that shipped with the system. By combining the two cards, I can use the 1070 for the monitor and the 965 for rendering until such time that everything is sorted out and I can flip the functionality of the cards. I'm thinking of this as "future-proofing" my purchase: I know they'll get it all working eventually, so I'd rather spend my money on something new (and with 8 GB of RAM) and something old (even if it's really great and has 6 GB of RAM).
On that note.The driver should be here by no later then October. I would rather have a functional driver for a high end card then one that was rushed. In due time my friends in due time. Dont forget 1070 DAZ!!! a lot fo people are going the 1070 route. Myself included.
Looking through the Daz Studio BETA thread, I found a link to the announcement of the latest version of the IRAY SDK. Apparently version 2016.2 has support for Pascal (GTX 1080/1070/1060 cards). https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk
I thought the latest BETA of Daz Studio was running this version, but apparently it's running 2016.1.2. Guess I will just have to keep an eye on the BETA thread for any anouncement.
Not sure why my performance in "Texture Shaded" view is so low though, as IRAY is not enabled. Perhaps Pascal is not supported by this renderer either.
Yeah, I know they'll get it working eventually. And I'm hoping that it will be worth the wait (and the bucks). I normally don't buy this close to the "cutting edge" of technology. It's just that with a new computer coming in, I really have to buy a new card at this moment in order to use both my monitors as I intend.
Nvidia release the SDK (software developer kit), but Daz will integrate its functions into Daz studio; no idea if they will impliment all the functionality available.
If you picked up an old brochure for a certain vehicle, there would be an indication of the model it was for; whilst Daz could perhpas have been more specific, it was a dated article, as I stated previously. Further there have been countless threads on the forums asking if support was ready. The answers have always been, not yet.
I considered buying another 980ti, or a Titan; I've been contemplating it for some days; I decided not to, I'll probably wait for the 1080ti, although I'm not discounting the new Titan; although I'll have to save up for the Titan.
The driver (from Nvidia) is out - from their point of view, the most important item, as the cards can now be used by gamers. The SDK for Iray that supports the 10-series cards will be released in September. Once the SDK is out, DAZ can start integrating it into Studio and testing with the version of Iray that supports the 10-series cards. I wouldn't expect much of the new functionality to be available to us when DAZ first ships a beta with Iray and 1070/1080 support - that should come after verifying that the new SDK/Iray combination works properly (for some definition of properly ) with current content.
My guess, if nothing shows up as an issue, is that Studio with 1070/1080 support could be available as early as late September. Having done software development/support myself - I think early November is a safer guess.
Thanks.
This is the clearest explanation yet :)
I didn't pick up an old version of Daz3d. I downloaded the latest version of 4.9. I searched Daz3d's site asking for what they recommend for a good computer system to work with their latest software.
I did not search for "are there any possible GPU cards that aren't yet working with Daz3d 4.9 that might currently be talked about in their forum, but not in their "latest" technical article ?" Nor did I search for that question regarding Motherboards, Ram, SSD, Power supplies, Operating systems, Monitors, Keyboards, Mice or Cabling or Computer cases or any of the other items I bought for my new build. I expected that if there were any issues with stuff like that related to Daz3d 4.9 it would have shown up when I searched for thier recommendations for a system that worked well with their software.
There is no mention anywhere that this article is "dated" and there is no newer article.
The article you linked is dated. You brought up the analogy of a vehicle; I was using your example. And I didn't say anything about version of Daz. You stated, the post should have said don't buy 10 series cards; obviously the author of the article couldn't advise against buying what was a future product. I agreed it could have been clearer, but referred you to the date of the article. I've included a screen shot; the link is also available.
https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/207530513-System-Recommendations-for-DAZ-Studio-4-