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Agreeing fully with SS ...... Wasn't mentioned that us old fogies have eye issues and there are plenty of young'uns that do to. Smaller devices give you smaller screens which puts a strain on the eyes and with extended use can cause permanent damage from the strain. I don't care how pretty and saturated the color is, it's still SMALLER. Love my desktop and my honking 30" monitor and my 20" second monitor. Not giving that up any time soon, if EVER!
Windows 8.... well I like it for the most part. One thing I hate is that regardless of how many times I go over my Admin Settings there are times when I'm denied access. Like in the Start menu, it sometimes will not allow me to delete an entry. I'm like "seriously?" My computer and yet...... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr The Metro look is hideous to the bone. I feel like I opened up a childrens coloring book. I'm glad all these scripts are out there that gave me a quick boot into the REAL Desktop, gave me back my Start menu and all the rest.
Oh and I follow this one guy that's in the know and posts regular YouTube vids and there is no real talk of Windows 9 as of yet but there is "Windows Blue" which will be Windows 8.1 when it's released and I hate to tell ya but this whole new experience is going to get worse before it gets better. I was very sad to hear that but apparently there are more stupid ideas being implemented. Another big GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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It's one thing to expect 'some changes', but MS turned Win8 into a tablet-OS, and expected the PC-consumers to follow. They didn't. If they strip the annoying things out of Win8, it might be worth getting, but then it would just be Win7. And what's the point of swiping fingers across the monitor when I work in 3D... It would obstruct what I'm looking at!!
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It's one thing to expect 'some changes', but MS turned Win8 into a tablet-OS, and expected the PC-consumers to follow. They didn't. If they strip the annoying things out of Win8, it might be worth getting, but then it would just be Win7. And what's the point of swiping fingers across the monitor when I work in 3D... It would obstruct what I'm looking at!!
It's just too far ahead of the hardware. When we've all got the interface Tom Cruise was using in Minority Report, then a tablet-style OS will be useful in 3d. :D I can't wait to be standing in the midst of my magical projected Windows HoverGlo...
Another factor has got to be diminished corporate purchases.
The outfit I retired from would bring in around 400 laptops each year on a 2-year lease and about 600 desktops on a 3-year lease. When the economic downturn hit at the end of '08 they extended the laptop leases by a year and started buying out the desktop leases. Then they extended the laptop leases another year.
They are just now rolling Windows 7 out to replace XP and have decided that the bulk of the desktops will get replaced as they die. They're all 64-bit systems with 6 or 8 GB of memory and other than the engineering group running CAD applications they all run Word, Excel, and the SAPGUI. SAPGUI is the interface to SAP/R3 and is tightly integrated to both SAP and MS-Internet Explorer. I suspect the next generation of laptops will also end up being lease buy-outs, with replacements as and when needed.
I can't believe this is the only company running this way.
And tablets/touchscreen devices will only come into consideration if SAP provides a working SAPGUI for them, and I don't think that's even on the radar yet.
...save for the iGen digital press servers, the MacPro for the prepress dept. and shipping stations, the company I worked for pretty much kept rebuilding/upgrading most of the desktop PCs which are still primarily running XP32.
Well said. Although I somewhat despise the way some people seem to be in love with pretty apple tools, I do see the point in having a smartphone and or tablet. And certainly, when I can afford it some day, I'll get at least a smartphone myself. I love my trusty ol' desktop, but I can't really use it when I ride the train etc.
However, I'm still flabbergasted that Microsoft actually thought it would be a good idea to use the interface of one tool for another tool that serves a different purpose. It's like someone realized: "Hey people love cars. We really should equip all vehicles with wheels, including airplanes!" And then they are surprised when it starts raining planes.
I would not say that windows 8 is too far ahead of the technology. I know this is kind of gimmicky but I think it would be incredibly handy for 3D artist. From sculpting in zbrush to moving objects around in Daz and posing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZzfAfPYqA
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/25/leap-motion-gesture-control-technology-hands-on/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_9vr3FQ0Zc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_9vr3FQ0Zc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHzZaAMfXbM
this is another one
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845122/leonar3do-3d-virtual-reality-objects
and another
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mycestro/mycestrotm-the-next-generation-3d-mouse
OMG, John, that's a great find. Totally awesome tech there! I want!
looking at the wishlish items I had at newegg the prices actually went up for a number of items that I had in there a few months. Perhaps it's going to be one of those price drops where they raise prices and then go back to their retail price they had months before and tell you the prices have never been lower.
You can't fool all the people all the time but it doesn't mean you cant try to.
Updated previous post. So is Windows 8 ahead of the technology no. I feel they just went down the wrong path entirely. Windows was suppose to come with a PC version of the kinect dongle.
Tablet PC's are nothing I have one that runs on windows 2000 pro and its a one click pen and touch. Its technology that never took off and in my opinion will soon go back into obsolescence.
I have a Fujitsu Stylistic 3500 that I am trying to get running again. The thing is awesome!
http://mark.rehorst.com/Fujitsu_ST3500/index.html
Again another example of how windows 8 is not ahead of their own technology. Its more like the table scraps of what actually have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxk_WywMTzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Zcn9mfS1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8sHd5BKRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRU3NemA95k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbtc_PZOjs
This guy is Johnny Lee, Dudes like a hero of mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
http://www.ted.com/talks/johnny_lee_demos_wii_remote_hacks.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU
Windows 8 is how Microsoft views the world we live in. They designed a system for people who do nothing productive, Its system designed for mobile entertainment, software consumers rather than developers or people who actually need to get work done.
Google had the same idea with the chrome book only they got the execution almost dead on.
I didn't see that in the article Cho. Which PC manufacturer is that?
I have Type III Osteogenesis Imperfecta.
As for the previous comment about Gen Xers, I'm pretty sure that 32 years old isn't Gen X age. I'm almost 16 years older, and I am considered a Gen Xer. I forget the exact age range of Gen Xers, though.
I have Type III Osteogenesis Imperfecta.
As for the previous comment about Gen Xers, I'm pretty sure that 32 years old isn't Gen X age. I'm almost 16 years older, and I am considered a Gen Xer. I forget the exact age range of Gen Xers, though.
Wow that's rough.
I didn't see that in the article Cho. Which PC manufacturer is that?
namffuak mentioned companies are just starting to roll out win7 and phase out their xp boxes and I'm just begging to see this at a company I work with that has tens of thousands of employees so I see that happening. Lenovo (formally IBM's laptop division) is making downgraded laptops available (from Win8 down to Win7) and having a good run of it, but that's because they listened to Steve Balmer and his "upgrade to Vista or die!" rhetoric and they said never again when the smoke cleared.
Go over to TigerDirect or Newegg and price out a decent CPU, CPU cooler, motherboard, memory, hard drive, DVD burner, monitor, case, keyboard, mouse and a copy of Windows and you'll see why the PC industry is plummeting.
Sales are bad because they don't seem to understand that they need to start lowering the prices again. We're not stupid and no one wants to spend over $1,200 on an average speed PC in todays climate.
God help you if you want to add a high end video card to the tab. You'll be looking at well over $1,500, and thats with mediocre components.
Maybe you can save a few bucks if you buy a barebones setup, but there's not much to be saved when it comes to desktops.
It's a bad joke.
I bought a new laptop six months ago and it came with Windows 7. Reading the comments here, I'm glad I didn't get Win8. Of course, I set out installing Ubuntu on it (dual boot) as soon as I could. Unfortunately, the Gnome 3 and Unity interfaces for Linux have dumbed down the desktop, too. I've gotten used to the Unity DE by now, but Gnome 3 still feels too clunky. Ubuntu's Unity is leaner and faster than Windows 7. By comparison my 3 1/2 year old netbook is running the latest Xubuntu (XFCE) just fine, proving that you don't really need a bloated OS to get the job done.
I had mentioned before that I thought it was funny that when ever Nvidia releases a new thousand dollar plus video card its the fastest thing to sell out, and its not because of the quantity being shipped.
Hybrid drives are finally coming down but the price of memory is going up hopefully it will not go higher than where it is at now. Like I said in a previous post not even a year ago I bought 32 gigs of ddr3 ripjaws 1333 for 99.99 and now the same set is like 200+
this is the set I bought
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231487
and I am saving up to get a pair of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148599
daveleitz68 have you tried Ubuntu 13.04 or Mint 14 in either mate or cinnamon, the three of them are very nice. I have three usb sticks, one for each version.
Puppy rocks too, check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qhqMlWGdM
I've not upgraded to 13.04 yet. At the moment 12.10 is working pretty well. Seems the bugs are mostly squashed. Anyway, I like to let a release 'mature' a bit before committing to it. I used to try out lots of Linux based OS's and wasted lots of time setting up things like Conky and the Compiz cube. These days, I just want it to work so I can use and create content. I actually used a version of Puppy for a hard drive recovery once. Nice to have around. I was almost ready to jump ship when Ubuntu came out with Unity. What a piece of garbage it was in the beginning! I went back to 10.04 for a long while. Glad I gave it a second chance though...
I still have the iso for 10.10 I think and a CD with it . I find it the easiest one to use when backing up information when you can't boot into a windows computer.
I have been using both ubuntu 13 and mint 14 for a few months now and they function pretty well. In previous version I would have an issue either with the wifi or getting flash to work on firefox and chromium but the last ones the wifi worked right out of the box and flash was a breeze to install.
I was given Windows XP by my brother in law. He won it in a contest. It sits in a box, ready to go for when I get a new computer.
Windows 8 is damn ugly. Why do I need to look at big colored squares on my screen? What's wrong with just the regular little icons and my wallpaper?
I miss Windows 95, to be honest. I don't need fancy, just reliable.
Ya know, there was a feature in windows 95 that has not been in any other since and that was the ability to easily create and use animated wallpaper from like gif files.
I had one a long time ago of a girl standing in a field with falling leaves as the animated portion. it was very nice.
Now that I'm in agreement with. Even if you hate the OS you can always just install Windows 7 on it instead, so you can't put the blame for decreasing PC sales solely on Win8.
Though I wonder if those statistics include components...
I purpose built my machine. I chose the hard drives, the memory, the motherboard, the case. Every last component that went into my machine was hand picked to deliver the best performance for the best price for me. I'm sure I'm not alone, so perhaps people are wising up and building their systems rather than paying for copy-pasted pre-made ones .
...that's exactly what I did and what I spent about a year and a half to research. My "beast" may be a generation old now but when I can whip off a render in around ten to twelve minutes that would have taken two hours (or more) on my old system (with it barely breaking a sweat), I think I got it right.
The other nice thing about DIY, no bloatware and no "hidden" processes the manufacturer installed. As I mentioned this system is 100% dedicated to 3D CG. no office productivity software, no games, no media apps. The only other application it has is for my wireless modem for the purpose of registering new software and installing updates that cannot be transferred via USB drive.
I also built this system with future expansion in mind, it has room for another six HDDs/SSIDs, hyperthreading Hexacore CPU, twice the RAM a second GPU the (PSU it has will easily handle the extra load).
Kyoto Kid, you are exactly right. And windows 8 on a clean install is full of Microsoft bloatware and if you buy one from lets say HP its has not only the Microsoft bloatware but the HP software as well. The HP games program from wind tangent I think and a bunch of other useless stuff.
...meanwhile 24GB tri channel of RAM (which I plan to upgrade to though I need to also upgrade to WIn7 Pro as well) has gone from around 300$ to about 190$. the 12 GB I currently have (6 x 2) cost that much when I first purchased them.
The one in your link is a quad channel set (the next step up from tri-channel) which also requires the new LGA2011 MBs that supports the channel configuration, however, still a better price than I paid for my original 12GB.
The beauty of a tri and quad channel is that it reduces latency by interleaving rather than filling up one module at a time thus tripling (or quadrupling) the bandwidth for the same amount of bandwidth.
These are the spec and comparison to the new DDR4 memory and current DDR3
Its primary benefits compared to DDR3 include a higher range of clock frequencies and data transfer rates (2133–4266 MT/s compared to DDR3's 800 and higher[5][6][7]) and lower voltage (1.05–1.2 V for DDR4,[6] compared to 1.2–1.65 V for DDR3) with current remaining the same.[8] DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology. It discards the multiple DIMMs per channel approach in favor of a point-to-point topology where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single DIMM.[6][9] Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM
Possible downside but not really is that you will need entirely new CPU's and Motherboards, you can't just upgrade the board.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/final-ddr4-specification/
let me add another little video from the Leap Motion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiJylPG13l4
and another early video that has the leap motion functioning as a touch screen interface using a regular monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tn_9KWjp0c
Here is the first of like 9 or 10 short youTube vids talking about Windows 8.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQhQnmbpoVw
Ye..try and edit a pixel from an image using my hands..screw that gimmic crap..Gimme my wacom any day. You cannot get the same level of precision, end of story. Hands are good for scrolling and rotating stuff, but to do actual detail work, forget it. And who wants to touch their screens anyways? My hands are always dirty:) Plus its more effort to raise my arm to touch the screen than to simply move my wrist holding my mouse or pen.
If you use a scroll-wheel mouse, you don't even move your hand, just your index finger - with great precision. It's faster than a regular mouse, which in turn is faster than using your hand on the big screen. So, efficiency-wise, Win8 is going backwards...Seems Steve Ballmer panicked, dropped the balls and ended up being Eve Mer.
you can always use it in combination with the wacom tablet