Novica & Forum Members Tips & Product Reviews Pt 10

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902
    edited March 2018

    @mollytabby   Thanks for showing Adaline!

    BTW  anyone watching the Dell golf right now, Bubba Watson is 3 up in the matchplay, and of course, he's Pensacola area. GO BUBBA!!!!  A very sweet man, he gave $15,000 to his elementary school, $15,000 to the middle school, and $35,000 to the high school to help with sports, etc. He is a huge donor to the Children's Hospital here (millions of dollars.) A very generous man.

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    @barbult   I really like the leaning on the table one you added too (for Alondra.)  
    @worldsedge  Good to know about the clothing. I didn't pick up Martin and I don't think anyone had showcased him yet- thanks for doing him.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    So far from everyone's top 10 we have:
    3DS Wenona
    Akimitsu
    AN Gianna (elsewhere)
    AN Gywnn
    Briley (Gia 7)
    Amina (elsewhere)
    Alondra
    Adaline

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902
    edited March 2018

    So I was looking at past renders to see if I could refresh your memory (and mine) with previous renders. Here's blasts from the pasts from several years ago! What "vintage" ones of our first 10 Genesis 3 Female(s) owned do you have? 

    Since these have already been showcased, I'm going to mention the products but not link them again.

    Adaline is Abigail Outfit and Casino Hair, next is Adrienne and Aubrey Hair, last is Aibell With Blue Bell Hair.  (Man, those eyes!)  All these gals were out of the box, I personally would change Adrienne's plumper upper lip and give it more shape. It looks okay when she's smiling (the first pic of her) but when the mouth is relaxed, I would like it have more curves. I may test a few of these gals with a quickie Pro-Studio light render, since these are old renders.

    AdalineAbigailOutfitCasinoHr.jpg
    600 x 600 - 252K
    AdrienneAubreeHair.jpg
    1000 x 1600 - 1M
    AdrienneAubreeHair2.jpg
    1000 x 1600 - 1M
    AibellBlueBellHairPearlTop.jpg
    503 x 575 - 250K
    AibellGenevaHair.jpg
    503 x 575 - 240K
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  • ArtsyDragonArtsyDragon Posts: 682

    Hello @Novica

    This is my first foray into this thread. It was suggested by SereneNight1 that I post this question here. I'm struggling with the DAZ Horse 2 and the IDG Iray Essentials packages. Rather than type it all up again, here is the original thread I created in an attempt to understand the issue: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/240181/issue-idg-iray-essentials-daz-horse-2-and-centaur-7

    Not only am I frustrated with the package not working, I'm frustrated with DAZ Support because they closed my ticket in a way that did not solve or address the issue and left me feeling like an idiot. I don't consider myself stupid but apparently they do. I'm ready to take my stupid cash and go elsewhere. 

    If anyone else has any suggestions, i'd love to hear them. Thanks so much for any time anyone takes to read this and help at all. 

  • sueyasueya Posts: 832

    The Genesis 3 females I have are:-

    Aiko 7
    CB Liliana
    Eva 7
    FW Sushmita
    Grace
    Karen 7
    Kande
    Musoke
    Shangrila
    Star 2.0
    Teen Josie 7
    Victoria 7

    I also have some from the other place

    I am on a limited budget which is why I don't have many

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    edited March 2018
    illysArt said:

    Hello @Novica

    This is my first foray into this thread. It was suggested by SereneNight1 that I post this question here. I'm struggling with the DAZ Horse 2 and the IDG Iray Essentials packages. Rather than type it all up again, here is the original thread I created in an attempt to understand the issue: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/240181/issue-idg-iray-essentials-daz-horse-2-and-centaur-7

    Not only am I frustrated with the package not working, I'm frustrated with DAZ Support because they closed my ticket in a way that did not solve or address the issue and left me feeling like an idiot. I don't consider myself stupid but apparently they do. I'm ready to take my stupid cash and go elsewhere. 

    If anyone else has any suggestions, i'd love to hear them. Thanks so much for any time anyone takes to read this and help at all. 

    That was a very unhelpful support message.

    What is the problem you are having? If you have the Horse 2 only, you will only have the bay, black, and grulla textures, so I would expect only those to work. However, if the Iray settings reference a different coat texture for specular/bump/etcetera (white is very common for this), you would need either the Pro or Starter bundle to get the coat with that texture.

    If you have the Horse 2 installed, you do have the "runtime/textures/daz/animals/horse 2/filenamehere.jpg" path. Where did you look for it?

    EDIT: DG confirms my suspicions here, it needs the white texture. You could edit another texture and make your own white if you wanted.

    Hi IceDragonArt,

    Following is a snippet from a PM with another customer about the same issue:

    Sorry about that. This product was a tricky one to set up, mostly because we didn't know that Daz was going to split the 16 horse materials among the 2 centaurs, and that the breeds and hides for the centaurs would be additional seperate packs. We debated just using the horse materials for all the centaur presets, but that would have made the Daz Horse 2 Pro bundle a required product to use any of the centaur materials and that did not sound ideal. It was also tricky to optimize Daz's materials without distributing derivitave textures.

    The horse materials are using the white texture that comes in the Daz Horse 2 starter bundle and pro bundle. The product page does list the Daz Horse 2 Pro Bundle as required. For the horse materials you have to have at least the Starter bundle to use the horse materials for Bay, Black, Grulla, Buttermilk, FleabittenGrey, Palomino, Smokey Grulla, and White. You also need the Horse 2 Pro bundle to use the Blue Roan, Buckskin, Dapple Grey, GypsyVanner, Hancock Roan, Leopard Appy, Mahogany Bay, and Silver Grey.

    I know this is super confusing, and I did write all of this up to be included in the read me, but I see the information is not included as intended. Again, Sorry about that..

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    It was very confusing but I also know that Destiny's Garden is a top rate vendor and if she could have done it differently she probably would have.  Also not her fault if the read me wasn't done the way she intended it.  I will simply wait until the pro bundle goes on a massive sale again even though I have almost everything in it, which is why I haven't picked it up.  There really should be a way to discount the bundles if someone has almost all of the items in it.  I really want to be able to use this product but it seems ridiculous that I would have to pay full price for the bundle when I've already paid for most of the stuff in it.  That's like paying twice for the same items.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902
    edited March 2018
    illysArt said:

    Hello @Novica

    This is my first foray into this thread. It was suggested by SereneNight1 that I post this question here. I'm struggling with the DAZ Horse 2 and the IDG Iray Essentials packages. Rather than type it all up again, here is the original thread I created in an attempt to understand the issue: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/240181/issue-idg-iray-essentials-daz-horse-2-and-centaur-7

     

    @illysart  I'd try to help but I'm only 20 minutes into a render that looks like it's going to take at least an hour. I'll try to read your references, but in the meantime, appreciate any help that my thread surfers can give. 

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  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,155

    It looks like the script was written before DAZ introduced the Connect path which means the script isn't looking in the right place for the textures (obviously :) ). Is there a non-connect download for the IDG package to get it in the correct folder?

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    edited March 2018

    It was very confusing but I also know that Destiny's Garden is a top rate vendor and if she could have done it differently she probably would have.  Also not her fault if the read me wasn't done the way she intended it.  I will simply wait until the pro bundle goes on a massive sale again even though I have almost everything in it, which is why I haven't picked it up.  There really should be a way to discount the bundles if someone has almost all of the items in it.  I really want to be able to use this product but it seems ridiculous that I would have to pay full price for the bundle when I've already paid for most of the stuff in it.  That's like paying twice for the same items.

    If you do buy everything in a bundle you could probably ask support to give you the bonus items at least.

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  • sueyasueya Posts: 832
    edited March 2018

    With the help of "Wear them All" I have fitted some of my recent V4 purchases to Genesis 3 Females

    The girl on the left is CB Liliana for Genesis 3 and 8 female in Faith V4 outfit

    The girl on the right is Grace for Eva 7 in the Art of Dance Ballet outfit

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548
    Fishtales said:

    It looks like the script was written before DAZ introduced the Connect path which means the script isn't looking in the right place for the textures (obviously :) ). Is there a non-connect download for the IDG package to get it in the correct folder?

    I download via DIM and never use Smart Content and it does not work for me.

  • ArtsyDragonArtsyDragon Posts: 682

    I don't blame the vendor. I got a response on my thread indicating that the bundle includes files that are not part of a purchasable package. So I'm screwed. I pay over 50 dollars for a couple of files or I don't use the vendor's package.

    I'm down. Dealing with an injured wrist, can't really do any art right now and am looking at a huge outlay of cash if I want to have a nice looking horse. Blech. I'm going to take more pain killers and go to bed.

    Thank you EVERYONE for your input. It's nice to be able to rely on such a cool community.

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,155
    Fishtales said:

    It looks like the script was written before DAZ introduced the Connect path which means the script isn't looking in the right place for the textures (obviously :) ). Is there a non-connect download for the IDG package to get it in the correct folder?

    I download via DIM and never use Smart Content and it does not work for me.

    If the script is written to look in the Connect path and you don't have one then it will fail even if you downloaded with DIM.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    So I have all but two of the items in the pro horse bundle.  Which makes them $62.48 each.  But even if I paid for those two items I don't think I would have the breeds because they are not actually a separate part of the bundle.  So there is no way for me to get those without paying a huge amount of money for the bundle...  I will have to wait and hope that it gets discountend maybe on the pc+ sale.

  • ArtsyDragonArtsyDragon Posts: 682

    So I have all but two of the items in the pro horse bundle.  Which makes them $62.48 each.  But even if I paid for those two items I don't think I would have the breeds because they are not actually a separate part of the bundle.  So there is no way for me to get those without paying a huge amount of money for the bundle...  I will have to wait and hope that it gets discountend maybe on the pc+ sale.

    I hear you, @IceDragonArt. Depressing that DAZ made that choice. 

     

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited March 2018

    I don't know if it would work, but we could try petitioning Daz to rename the "Starter Content" and Pro Content" to Hide and Breed products for individual sale. If they think it would make them more money, they might do it. After all, it's just repackaging old content, not creating new.

    ETA: @illysart, I sent you a PM.

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    It turns out I don't have the IDG product, so I wouldn't have been any help. Thanks to the regular thread surfers who always generously jump in to assist. Appreciate you very much.

    The render just finished so will be posting it next. 

    And Bubba Watson won the golf game!!!!!! (Beat 63 other players in multiple rounds, it was match play which is exhausting and not as easy to win. You play opponent after opponent in brackets.)  Way to go Bubba!!!

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902
    edited March 2018

    Okay, here is FWSA Adaline from a few posts back, the old render. Shown with the Pro-Studio lights. Her lip to me could be better, it looks like a few vertical up and down lines for the bump. It may just be the lighting but even the promos look that way I think. Overall, however, I like Adaline. On a positive note, her eyelashes on top do go to the end of the outer eye, something to watch for in other characters. I've seen several through the years which stop way short of the corner of the eye or to the end of the eye. You'll note on this one it doesn't go to the corner of the eye either. Bugs me. 

    This is out of the box. She's wearing Calista Tails Hair, which has also already been showcased.

    AdalineCalistaTailHr AbigailTop.png
    800 x 800 - 1M
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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    @illysart   Hope you feel better soon  yes

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    @sueya  Nice job with the clothes, and I don't think we've done CB Liliana before. 

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548
    Fishtales said:
    Fishtales said:

    It looks like the script was written before DAZ introduced the Connect path which means the script isn't looking in the right place for the textures (obviously :) ). Is there a non-connect download for the IDG package to get it in the correct folder?

    I download via DIM and never use Smart Content and it does not work for me.

    If the script is written to look in the Connect path and you don't have one then it will fail even if you downloaded with DIM.

    Ah I did not know that so thank you! 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,669

    @worlds_edge .Thanks for showing mintos clothing ona man! I thihnk that has potential. =-)

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,447
    edited March 2018

    Sorry if this feels like rubbing it in for those with problems, but I just happened to do a render earlier that uses the IDG Iray Essentials for DAZ Horse 2 - I do have the Horse Pro Bundle so no problem with textures. I did this to try out the DAZ Foal set which I bought during MM. Background is from one of the HDRI products (sorry I can't actually remember which).

    In the light of the problems reported by @illysart and @IceDragonArt I am conducting an experiment with the horse and shaders. I use DIM (never Connect because my rendering PC is isolated from the internet) so I uninstalled the Horse 2 Starter Bundle file with the White horse textures and tried out IDG shaders. Loading one of the three colours that come with the basic horse (bay, black and grulla - I used bay) I then got the error message that illysart reported, but pressed "Skip" each time and then rendered. I then took a look at the IDG Shader Preset for the bay horse and find it is trying to add a map (from the white set) to control the glossy roughness, top coat weight and glossy layered weight. I plugged the bump maps into those channels instead (they are not entirely dissimilar from the white texture maps) and re-rendered. Can you spot the difference? (Left is missing maps, right is bump maps plugged in as a substitute). Lighting is the default HDRI in DS.

    Youthful-Spirit.jpg
    1024 x 768 - 798K
    Horse - Missing White texture maps.jpg
    665 x 523 - 67K
    Horse - Bump in place of White texture maps.jpg
    619 x 553 - 67K
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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    That;s an interesting work around.  I have stuff rendering now but may give that a go when I have a couple of spare minutes.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,902

    Huh. Well the dapples are brighter and if you were to use midtones (not shadows) you could adjust the images so they look almost identical. Thanks for showing that @melanieL    I hope @illysart sees it. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,001
    edited March 2018

    Hmm.. I'm still on the fence about the dforce Sunday Afternoon outfit because I rarely use long skirts and I still haven't figured out how to get dforce to work correctly (I have put in very little effort though, to tell the truth,) but some of the renders here are swaying me...

    I'm waaaay behind on this thread. Did anyone post Minto yet? She is so cute! I always do at least a few minor tweaks even on characters I love, but with her, the only thing I changed was the the length of her eyelashes. The rest is out of the box (with Photoshop postwork of course.) So cute!

    I was not happy though with the texture for the top, it looks good on other people's renders but close-up it looked like plaster to me, so I used a different shader and the little LIE design stayed on, but in a different position--I actually tried to move it manually originally to make it higher up, but it left a weird black spot, but adding a different shader, moved the image smaller and up--but I still could not tweak it, it seems it has to be in a certain position that can't be manually changed AFAIK, but you can remove it of course.

    Also, I still couldn't get d-Force to work correctly and the sleeve ends were covering her hands, so I removed them...

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,001

    It was very confusing but I also know that Destiny's Garden is a top rate vendor and if she could have done it differently she probably would have.  Also not her fault if the read me wasn't done the way she intended it.  I will simply wait until the pro bundle goes on a massive sale again even though I have almost everything in it, which is why I haven't picked it up.  There really should be a way to discount the bundles if someone has almost all of the items in it.  I really want to be able to use this product but it seems ridiculous that I would have to pay full price for the bundle when I've already paid for most of the stuff in it.  That's like paying twice for the same items.

    YES! THIS yes

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    I was not happy though with the texture for the top, it looks good on other people's renders but close-up it looked like plaster to me

    It's awful. It looks hard in every light I've tried. When I did my render I had to completely kill the bump/displacement/normals and stack translucent geoshells over it to get it to actually look soft.

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