Are you leaving V4
dholm
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There has been a lot of good post on to keep her or leave her for someone new.
You have all inspired me to make this. Please add your own scene on this topic.
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My go to girls - V4, SP4, A3, SP3, Miki3, Olivia,
still love TY2 but not as go to these days.
Left V4 long ago. Genesis only for me.
I've only been using DAZ since July, but I might be leaving V4 just as fast as I started using her. (Even though I have a ton of stuff for her.)
I'm just not happy with all the creasing problems that she has and how you have to buy 3rd party morphs to fix the bad elbow and hip problems. I've been using Stephanie since I scored the S4 and S5 bundles and she's looking way better than V4. I just might have to bite the bullet and grab V6.
Couldn't WAIT to drop the girl off the side of the road before speeding off to Genesis' party! :)
I actually went backwards. I started with Genesis and moved to Gen4. I figured I was using mostly Gen4 stuff on Genesis anyways, why not just use Gen4. I do still use Genesis though for all of the Genesis-only characters/clothing/etc that I do have for it, but if I buy a character that comes with both a Gen4 and Genesis version, then I'm more inclined to use the Gen4 version.
No V4 for me unless absolutely unavoidable. I had to work with her not long and was really frustrated by the bad bends and so forth. Last year when I got a lap top as a second computer I didn't even install any of the pre gen figures and have not missed them on there once.
I'll happily use the various generations side by side, so I'll have a v4, m4, maybe a genesis female with an autofitted M3 outfit on, and then a David3 (with his interesting facial dial morphs) all in the same render. There's no reason to mothball anything and the constant evolution of the Genesis framework is certainly flexible enough to use it all simultaneously in DAZ Studio, as long as the final render delivers your artistic vision, its all good.
I still use the Gen4 series as there are many morphs for them you can't use on Genesis without buying several extra products, though I do love the idea that you can share textures between Gen4 and Genesis1...I have no interest in Gensis2.
I think I'll be sticking with V4 for a while, I only use Genesis for new morphs and when I want some really crazy looking creatures. At the moment I have tons of gen 4 items and well I don't have the money to spend on buying another program add on just so I can use the Gen 4 characters I have with Genesis, as I already purchased the M4/V4 shapes and still cannot use them as I had intended without the Gen X converter.
Maybe if there is a good sale on the items that would help those like me transfer our Gen 4 characters over I might be a bit more inclined to spend more on the Genesis figure.... *hint hint* :)
As for the V6, I doubt I will be looking forward to using her, heck I haven't even gathered Genesis together yet.
Still V4 and M4 are my go to models, bends can be fixed and well hundreds of dollars worth of content that I already have and can use is a big deal to me.
I stopped using the V4 figure, however I still buy V4 content I like that can be used for Genesis1 and 2.
Same here
I on the other hand am experimenting with turning Genesis outfits into Dynamic clothing in Poser, to fit V4. Exporting an obj from Carrara.
But I never do things the expected way.
Exactly what I do as well
I haven't yet felt a need to use V4 since August. Dawn may not have the immense volume of clothing, morphs, and textures that V4 has, but she is just so delightfully easy to use. I've just been so busy having fun creating clothing for her, that I haven't felt a need to fit V4 clothing to Dawn.
Being exclusive to Dawn limits what I purchase. But, I finally gave up trying to use a vacuum cleaner that picks up absolutely nothing (and it's no fun trying to vacuum an entire room with a hand held dustbuster!) So, I ordered a Dyson DC50 Animal Compact Upright Vacuum Cleaner today for my birthday. Consequently, there won't be much of anything in my 3D budget for the next several months.
Here are four images I've done with Dawn. The clothing in Crossing the Channel 1905 and Elfen Lyan was created in Silo, and the dress in By August, She was Mine in MD2. A New Dawn used Xurge's Fantasy Rogue for Dawn outfit.
Genesis is no where near the advancement of V4 as V4 was to V3, or that I hoped it would be. V4 is part of my renders like milk, juice and toast are the viable parts of the nutritious breakfast that the bowl of sugar frosted coco excrement was unable to provide.
V4 and her kin stay loaded in my runtimes, though her actual appearances in renders are pretty rare. Primarily she hangs around for use with plug ins like GenX, PoseMaster & my older version of Face Shop, for things that really aren't fully Genesis compatible yet, like some of the dynamic clothing, or the occasions when I need to go back to DS3 to use plug ins and features that don't exist/still don't work in DS4. I'll also use her to produce billboards of background characters so I don't have to fight the d**n shoe battle, and I DO use her skeleton a lot. And while I can't think of any V4s off the top of my head, there are a couple of insanely complex M4 sets that combine morphs and add ons that make it easier to keep Michael 4 around than even attempt GenX-ing them.
Oh, and while Zev0's toe control eliminated a lot of my need for V4 to do foot stand ins, V4's toe rigging is still much better than that of either Genesis or the Genesis 2 females. And were I the sort to be making "that" kind of renders, one has to point out that her and M4's naughty bits have a lot more options out there as well, which is why the vast majority of commercial comics using DAZ assets, a huge percentage of which ARE "those" kinds of things, have stuck with V4.
(And a big Amen! to the mention above about the arm creases above... I recently loaded up a bunch of custom characters I did a couple of years ago and I'd forgotten how really, really horrible some of the limb bends were, even with all the added correction sets.)
Unless it's made with raisin or cheese bread or slathered with preserves (not jelly, preserves,) toast is actually much less nutritious than almost any sugar coated cereal. Toast made from plain white bread is one of the worst things you can eat, with no vitamins, half the fiber of a same-size portion of sugar frosted flakes, and double the sodium.
On the other hand "toast" for both Genesis and the Gen4 only comes with the Pro packs, which means you get far more than your recommended daily allowance of skimpwear and ridiculous pose packs with each serving.
Summation: Toast = bad for meals, good for porn.
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I personally don't see Gen4 going anywhere soon. There are to many people that still use it and PA's that still make content for it. Customers aren't the only ones that don't want to see Gen4 go away. We make sure that when we do characters that we include Gen4 whenever possible
When I use V4 I am sure to have a Genesis version of the character (for my graphic novels). The V4 is used with stuff that just don't look right on Genesis, like Xurge 3D's outfits. You can apply Xurge 3D's outfits to Genesis, but for close-up shots requiring the boots or other areas where the seams can be seen to break apart (from using smoothing, for example) it just looks terrible.
So what I am saying is that, No, I can't abandon V4, I have outfits that I use that have disappeared from the market place and will not be seen for Genesis.
The fixes for V4 do make her more enjoyable. In this image V4 is on the floor and the bends look great, you don't see the thighs expand as the leg is bent for example.
Greetings,
I never used V4 except to try it a few times because I got it free; I found it horribly painful to use, with limbs at angles that looked terribly wrong. The incompatibility between clothing sets and morphs (and between M4/V4 for un-gendered clothing) made it even worse, and I rushed back to Genesis. I've used Aiko 3 in actual renders more than I've used V4, but it's still low single digits.
Nowadays I use G1, G2F, and occasionally Dawn if she's right for a scene. I used to wishlist and buy V4 items, with the expectation that I'd convert them over. Now that 'rosity has started carrying a decent amount of Genesis, G2F and Dawn stuff, I've purged all my wishlists here and there of V4 clothing, and I won't buy something V4-specific unless it's frickin' spectacular AND I'm confident I can convert it.
The biggest advantage to Dawn, IMO, is that it kicked a bunch of artists in the tush and made them learn how to make weightmapped clothing, and the skill translated (mostly) over to Genesis and G2F stuff.
-- Morgan
I still use Aiko3, Hiro3, Luke, and Laura. Why would I abandon Victoria4 or Michael4?
I use a mixture of V4/M4, Genesis, and Genesis 2F.
Most V4/M4 clothes and hair I can get to work on Genesis 1/2, but of course shoes and some long dresses are an issue. I have a large number of V4 characters. A few I have transfered over to Genesis using GenX, but most I have not.
The only real drawback I see with V4/M4 are the creasing and bending problems. I usually use clothes that cover up most of those issues. Adding a smoothing modifier to V4 seems to help some too. I haven't bought any of the morph fixes, because I have never felt the need.
In my mind clothing seem to fit easier on Genesis 1/2 than Gen4, but to my taste much of the Gen4 clothes looks better when you do get them to fit. I'm not sure if this is because Genesis clothes is made to expand and contract to fit such a wide range of body sizes that it is harder to make it look good. There also is the well known "boob sack" problem with Genesis clothes, which I have to bought products to fix. To be honest, some V4 clothes have that problem too.
One of the sad but ironic truths is that, back in the days when characters had more severe bending issues, the clothing created for them had to cover those issues and, as result, ended up looking more like real clothing. The primary fault of a lot of Gen 4 clothing was that everything became much more abbreviated to show off more skin. That's great if you like making cheesecake renders, but less so if you're trying to do something that looks more slice of life. However, one of the strengths of many Gen4 outfits is that they're usually built in layers, as real clothing is, whereas a lot of Gen 5 & 6 clothing is designed to be as auto-fit friendly as possible, so a huge number of items are basically form fitting bodysuits. Or portions of form fitting bodysuits, to be more precise, given that the trend to unrealistic skimpwear has only increased as the realism of the figures improved yet again. Unfortunately, one of the tricks DAZ likes to use to make the sets look less like bodystockings is to sculpt in wrinkles and I find that these often look unnaturally draped, or as if the character has some unusually pronounced rolls of cellulite, unless the body shape is left in something very close to the "default" shape and pose.
The end result is that I still use a surprising amount of Gen 3 clothing, usually gussied up with a few shaders, whereas I buy very few new G5/6 outfits unless they're either exceptionally cheap or from the smaller percentage that look natural to my eye. (Dogz and Smay being two of the best designers for this kind of thing, IMHO.)
When Genesis came out I was reluctant to switch from V4 and M4. After a few free morphs came out, I tried an experiment. The area I was having a lot of trouble with when using V4 was getting a realistic large-size muscular woman (think 6-foot 250 pounds). I had been working on this for the better part of a year and still wasn't very satisfied with what I'd managed to do. So I tried doing the same with Genesis, using only the morphs that came with it and one or two free morph packs, and in half an hour had something better than I'd ever managed with months of work using V4 and pretty much every morph pack made for her. That sold me on Genesis.
Exactly what I do as well
What FirstBastion and Vanguard said :cheese:
That said, I like shaping faces Gen 4 faces more than Genesis. But maybe I should learn ZBrush :-P
Trends in this market are, and always have been, driven by money. Do we see less "everyday" now? Very possibly. It is more likely because many content creators have tried every day products in the past with the older figures and not made the same volume of sales as they would have if the creative time had gone into yet another fantasy armor suitable for a Franzetta painting.
I am a Poser User and also we can now use Genesis for Poser I still much prefer Gen4 Models.
Nothing so bad with the bends that little postwork can not fix:)
I like Genesis but I just can not warm to her, even if I was still using DS I would use G4.
Another factor is that I have spend soooo much money on the G4 Figures that I would not want to spend more money on yet another Model.
I am quite happy with what I have.
V4 Rocks and so das Aiko 3, no Genesis can touch them.
I don't actually use V4- that often.
I do however, have a number of her skins.... Which I use on gen 2 and genesis.
I think overall, I prefer gen 2 females.
I do however like the wealth of content available for v4. Wish there was so much for the newer ladies.