The Gallery is back...but how does it work?

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  • Kevin RyeKevin Rye Posts: 392
    edited November 2013

    As far as people stealing your images, that's something that I think you have to come to accept when you post your images on an internet gallery. I doesn't matter if it's a public or private gallery, if it's on the internet, it's public domain. If you post your images online, you've basically open-sourced them. Any thoughts to the contrary are naive. Even if you take measures to disable right-clicking and saving, someone could still just simply take a screen shot and crop it. However, there are copyright laws and fair use laws that could protect you if you really wanted to go after someone for using your image without consent. If they're profiting of it. If I saw that someone used my image as that background image on their site, I'd probably just say, "Cool!" But if I found a DVD at Best Buy that had my image on it, then I'd probably take a closer look at fair use and copyright laws and looked to see what my next course of action was. I don't know if I'd be hiring a lawyer. I guess it depends on the manner of its use, it's extent, how far-reaching it is, and whether or not that it's actually damaging.

    You could watermark you images, but I've always thought that watermarks ruin the presentation of an image. I'd rather not post an image than post it with a watermark. But that's just me. If you're that concerned about it, then you shouldn't post images. I know that sounds lame, but it's the truth of it. I've posted my images on the gallery fully knowing well that someone could take the image and use it as they wish. I accept that. However, I do tend to post my images is a lower resolution in hopes that if someone does take an image, their use will be limited to reposting, and not so much be used in marketing literature and or packaging.

    Also, what are the rules for the Gallery? I only see the rules for the forum. Are they the same? I see a lot nudity on the Gallery. I though DAZ frowned on that. Or is it just that the mods haven't caught up yet?

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  • Muon QuarkMuon Quark Posts: 563
    edited December 1969

    It will take a few months to get the galleries operating somewhat normally unfortunately. Galleries were released without definite plans in place IMO. What would have been a good idea is to have testers first, say 50 or so. Like the old ninjas. Then work out the kinks, bugs, logistics, etc. Once that was done, then open them up to everyone else with most of the bugs worked out and the logistics in place.

    What worries me the most is that nothing was in place to monitor pictures for TOS violations. That is unacceptable.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Unfortunately what works for a limited user group sometimes doesn't stand up to the hammering it gets when it is then opened up to the larger user base.

  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited December 1969

    Nudity is not allowed in the forums, and posts containing nudity, or other gallery posts violating the ToS have been removed. Here is where you can find the ToS for the forums and the gallery posting guidelines:

    http://www.daz3d.com/terms-of-service

    Gallery posting guidelines will be featured more prominently in the Gallery soon.

  • Swawa3DSwawa3D Posts: 231
    edited December 1969

    As far as protecting images, that really is a personal choice depending on what is important to the artist. I agree that watermarks (unless really elegantly placed) highly devalue a work for me. I think the best approach is just to add whatever minimal protection you feel you need without getting in the way of people viewing the art. If you are making money off your art, I think you would generally lose far more by limiting your exposure than you would lose from occasional theft that could be dealt with if/when it arises. Google image search is a great way to find people using your image. Generally I would not care so much if people used it for personal use, unless it really made me look bad.

    Any time users can submit images without review you will probably have at least occasionally have images break the TOS, it can't be helped. It will probably be minimized after the gallery settles down and if DAZ starts banning people. I still think the best solution would be to just add a mature/nudity tag that is filtered out by default. Even if DAZ prefers to not have any mature/nude images at all, I think a filter would probably result in a lot less people seeing things they don't want to see, while increasing the potential for artist expression. Seems to work fairly well for deviantART.

  • Rashad CarterRashad Carter Posts: 1,803
    edited December 1969

    Very few 3d artists in this forum need to worry at all about any of this stuff with theft of images. Unless a particular work is extraordinary in some way, there can be lots of fuss over nothing. Most of us produce images because we want to share them with someone in hopes they will provide positive feedback, most of us don't have financial profit in mind from the start. Not everyone who uses a camera is a professional photographer. Not every submitted image looks polished and professional because so very few of us are indeed professionals, we're just avid and hard working enthusiasts. Yeah, we may get lucky sometimes and produce a piece that is mind blowing for our current level of experience, which is cool but doesn't happen every day. Still, All these steps of "protection" people are talking about...this all assumes that the work is good enough to inspire theft in the first place, which I will argue isn't the case for most artists who visit this site. The galleries at a whole show incredible talent and skill, and also incredible room for growth. We need to be honest with ourselves, realize that we are just hobbyists, and try to have some fun. Nobody cares about our images, but we ourselves.

    The law says that an image you produce belongs to you, whether you are a professional or not, I understand that very well. I dont advocate theft of images nor do I think one should abide theft if the image is stolen. But we all know there are billions of images out there....billions. My only point is that too many people have inflated opinions of the value of their own work and it shows when they assume people would even bother stealing work from them in the first place.

    Get over it, have some fun, and move on to the next project. Don't put the cart before the horse. Be the hobbyist you were born to be and leave the professionals to worry about being professionals.

  • Swawa3DSwawa3D Posts: 231
    edited December 1969

    @Rashad Carter: DS is used diversely by hobbyists, professionals and everything in-between. Art is highly subjective. I've seen works I feel look amateur become top sellers while others I feel are masterpieces (according to formal elements) go ignored. I don't think assessing how professional user renders look is all that relevant or helpful to the topic. I do agree that there are billions of images out there so I do not see most images published online (regardless of talent) as being a high value target but it can & does happen. I know some people were making $ from traffic off galleries of DAZ/Poser images they stole, so I understand it may be a concern. Personally I'm happy to get my works out there and feel I would lose out more being overly protective.

    Years ago I created a video for fun & to promote a non-profit "performance group" that I co-found. It went viral, made it on to several TV shows and I made a few thousand off it. For a few years before that someone was getting tons of hits off the video on youtube that I did not know about. Not sure if they made $ off it that I could have been making but what's done is done, I'm just happy so many people got to enjoy the video. Also if I did not put the video online to begin with it would have never made it on to all those shows.

  • edited November 2013

    Argh!!! I seriously waffled on posting this response because I feel we are in danger of going off topic and being very repetitive. My apologies to the forum moderators if I am wrong about this. :red: ;-)

    ryemac3 said:
    As far as people stealing your images, that's something that I think you have to come to accept when you post your images on an internet gallery.

    TRUE.

    You have to accept the possibility that it could happen. You don't have to accept it as being OK.

    ryemac3 said:
    It doesn't matter if it's a public or private gallery, if it's on the internet, it's public domain...

    FALSE.

    This is a common misconception that should be corrected whenever it is encountered to foster better understanding of the way content available on the Internet and through other sources can and cannot be lawfully used. No offense intend to ryemac3. Again, as I said, this is a common and understandable misconception or over generalized statement (misuse of the term Public Domain) that can lead to misunderstandings.

    PUBLIC DOMAIN: "A work of authorship is in the “public domain” if it is no longer under copyright protection or if it failed to meet the requirements for copyright protection. Works in the public domain may be used freely without the permission of the former copyright owner." courtesy of the U.S. Government FAQs and Definitions concerning Copyrights.

    Just because a work is posted to the Internet does not mean it is Public Domain and no longer under copyright protection, period. The act of posting work to the Internet has no affect on the work's copyrights. You may not automatically consider such work as being in the Public Domain, open to free use, or use without permission. Woe to you if you do. (Statement directed at the public in general.)

    You could watermark you images, but I've always thought that watermarks ruin the presentation of an image. Sometimes, although not always, that is the main purpose of a watermark, to ruin the presentation of an image in such a way that it cannot be re-purposed. Sometimes, the watermark can just identify the owner of the work's copyright and be placed unobtrusively in or around the artwork. ;-)

    Post edited by 7th Stone Productions on
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