Stephanie 6 Discussion and Render Thread

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  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited February 2014

    Here's the updated version of the render. I hope the light is better now.
    The tan is still pretty dark, though.

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  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,460
    edited December 1969

    Steph 6 with around two thirds slender stephanie 6 morphs applied to torso, around one quarter to the breasts...

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,221
    edited December 1969


    No, not just you. I make Josie a little shorter, and also shrink her head a few percentage points, her head seems bigger than it ought to be by default. I haven't tried S6 yet, trying to figure out if I need the base or a bundle.

    Glad it's not just me. I just loaded a default Josie next to a default Steph and yeah, Josie's a bit too big - it's really her head that throws it off. I get the point of her head being proportionally large since she's younger, but heads don't shrink as you age. By default, Josie's head is much bigger than Steph's and a touch wider than Vicky's. Josie's proportions don't seem to match the rest of the lineup.

    Of course I should not have said that about Josie, teenagers are sensitive. To paraphrase Stuart Mackenzie, “I went out of bounds there, she’ll be crying herself to sleep tonight on her huge pillow!”
    Mom: What's wrong, honey?
    Josie: Oh, Mom, people are making fun of my big ol' head on the internet! (sobs)

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  • efron_24efron_24 Posts: 474
    edited December 1969

    Steph Petite and Steph not so Petite at all..

    2x Stephanie 6.

    Short and not sooooo short at all. :D

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  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:

    No, not just you. I make Josie a little shorter, and also shrink her head a few percentage points, her head seems bigger than it ought to be by default. I haven't tried S6 yet, trying to figure out if I need the base or a bundle.

    Glad it's not just me. I just loaded a default Josie next to a default Steph and yeah, Josie's a bit too big - it's really her head that throws it off. I get the point of her head being proportionally large since she's younger, but heads don't shrink as you age. By default, Josie's head is much bigger than Steph's and a touch wider than Vicky's. Josie's proportions don't seem to match the rest of the lineup.

    Of course I should not have said that about Josie, teenagers are sensitive. To paraphrase Stuart Mackenzie, “I went out of bounds there, she’ll be crying herself to sleep tonight on her huge pillow!”
    Mom: What's wrong, honey?
    Josie: Oh, Mom, people are making fun of my big ol' head on the internet! (sobs)

    Well, I blame Mike Myers, that is where the quote was from. But, I'm sure I'm doomed, she'll use all that extra brain capacity to go all Carrie on us! ;-P

  • efron_24efron_24 Posts: 474
    edited February 2014

    I think Gen1-(V5) Justin is very happy with the New Stephanie... 6

    We added some height of course, because no woman deserves to be short

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    I think Gen1-(V5) Justin is very happy with the New Stephanie... 6

    We added some height of course, because no woman deserves to be short

    Okay, okay. Hang on.

    As someone who never topped 5'1, I have to take exception to that. I *like* being short. (Most of the time. When I don't have to get stuff down from the top shelf.)

    :)

    It's why I almost always use Steph as the basis for my digital portraits.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    I think Gen1-(V5) Justin is very happy with the New Stephanie... 6

    We added some height of course, because no woman deserves to be short

    Okay, okay. Hang on.

    As someone who never topped 5'1, I have to take exception to that. I *like* being short. (Most of the time. When I don't have to get stuff down from the top shelf.)

    :)

    It's why I almost always use Steph as the basis for my digital portraits.

    Yeah!

    Nothing wrong with being tall if you're tall, but c'mon.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    I think Gen1-(V5) Justin is very happy with the New Stephanie... 6

    We added some height of course, because no woman deserves to be short

    Okay, okay. Hang on.

    As someone who never topped 5'1, I have to take exception to that. I *like* being short. (Most of the time. When I don't have to get stuff down from the top shelf.)

    :)

    It's why I almost always use Steph as the basis for my digital portraits.

    Yeah!

    Nothing wrong with being tall if you're tall, but c'mon.

    I agree with both these two, heck even DaWaterRat is taller than me.

  • efron_24efron_24 Posts: 474
    edited February 2014

    Charge :D
    Small Steph Stampede

    3D is FUN

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    she looks good in this hair, does anyone know which hair this is?

    thanks!

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited December 1969

    she looks good in this hair, does anyone know which hair this is?

    thanks!

    That's toulouse hair I think. It comes with g2 female starter essentials.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited December 1969

    The big head on Josie is more suited to a younger character. . I actually don't think Josie or Jayden look like older teens. Older teens have more adult proportions, and Josie has a very stylized exaggerated shape, including huge eyes which is suited for kids but not for older teens. Maybe they were going for the anime/manga style... But to me it is a fail, since the girl looks a bit too stylized, and doesn't fit the same style as the other characters.


    Steph is very dark skinned, which I happen to like. I like render a lot of mid-tone skinned characters and her skin will be quite useful.

    Her head reminds me a lot of GIA though. In fact, she just looks like a shorter gia in many ways.

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,353
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    I think Gen1-(V5) Justin is very happy with the New Stephanie... 6

    We added some height of course, because no woman deserves to be short

    Oh God! I'm more small than justin :'- (

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited February 2014

    wow, she comes with normal maps. :)

    48mb tiff files :lol:

    can i convert those to png files? i've never used a normal map before, does it work with png?

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    she looks good in this hair, does anyone know which hair this is?

    thanks!

    That's toulouse hair I think. It comes with g2 female starter essentials.


    oh kewl, thanks!

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    i'm blanking on a render inspiration for Stephanie. ... teapot music

  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214
    edited December 1969

    Was certainly hoping there would be more releases for S6 today, there are some great characters, poses and outfits still too come!

  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 1,216
    edited December 1969

    The big head on Josie is more suited to a younger character. . I actually don't think Josie or Jayden look like older teens. Older teens have more adult proportions, and Josie has a very stylized exaggerated shape, including huge eyes which is suited for kids but not for older teens. Maybe they were going for the anime/manga style... But to me it is a fail, since the girl looks a bit too stylized, and doesn't fit the same style as the other characters.

    I agree, that's always sort of bothered me about Josie. I generally like her, but she doesn't really look very 'real', like she's closer related to The Girl or Aiko than to Victoria or Stephanie.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited February 2014

    Heh. her head is just too big. It is bigger than any of the adult characters. To grow into that head she'd have to be really tall. She is more manga fusion than the more realistic style characters.

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    Heh. her head is just too big. It is bigger than any of the adult characters. To grow into that head she'd have to be really tall. She is more manga fusion than the more realistic style characters.

    Actually I think she's just about a perfect Disney heroine if you look at Tangled and Frozen. It's an incredibly popular style of late.

  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    edited December 1969

    Heh. her head is just too big. It is bigger than any of the adult characters. To grow into that head she'd have to be really tall. She is more manga fusion than the more realistic style characters.

    If you shrink the head size a few percent and play with the eyes a bit, you can get something that looks more "realistic" at least by my definition. I like her overall, but I have to play witchdoctor a bit and shrink her head for my purposes.

  • JonnyRayJonnyRay Posts: 1,744
    edited December 1969

    wow, she comes with normal maps. :)

    48mb tiff files :lol:

    can i convert those to png files? i've never used a normal map before, does it work with png?

    You could try, but I'd be careful. The colors in normal maps are important. One of the main differences between these and bump/displacement (as I explain in my Is This Normal? blog post) is that they can move the angle of the normal in 2 dimensions. Which is why both the red and blue color channels are important. Also I'd worry about any file compression in the conversion losing some of the finer details of the image.

    Also keep in mind that at the beginning of a render, DS may need to run the "tdlmake" utility to convert the image anyway. Converting a converted image may not give the best results.

  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    edited December 1969

    JonnyRay said:
    wow, she comes with normal maps. :)

    48mb tiff files :lol:

    can i convert those to png files? i've never used a normal map before, does it work with png?

    You could try, but I'd be careful. The colors in normal maps are important. One of the main differences between these and bump/displacement (as I explain in my Is This Normal? blog post) is that they can move the angle of the normal in 2 dimensions. Which is why both the red and blue color channels are important. Also I'd worry about any file compression in the conversion losing some of the finer details of the image.

    Also keep in mind that at the beginning of a render, DS may need to run the "tdlmake" utility to convert the image anyway. Converting a converted image may not give the best results.

    Well, PNG is supposed to be lossless, or at least it was, you have to be careful, some people have made things that make it lossy, which kind of defeats the whole point. But, if everything follows true PNG spec, it should be lossless, so your colors would probably be right, it would just be a question of whether the renderer accepts PNG.

  • cwichuracwichura Posts: 1,042
    edited February 2014

    wow, she comes with normal maps. :)

    48mb tiff files :lol:

    can i convert those to png files? i've never used a normal map before, does it work with png?


    Yes, you can convert them. Both are lossless file formats, but PNG files are much smaller (especially when run through optipng) but preserve the exact same data. DAZ should really have packaged these as PNGs in the first place. But they've done the TIFF thing for all the Generation 6 figures that include normal maps.

    Edit for ninja posts that beat mine:

    * Studio and 3Delight support PNG for normal maps. So does LuxRender. File-type compatibility is not an issue these days.
    * PNG is lossless, just like TIFF. It also supports arbitrary bit depths, can do 16-bit just like TIFF. PNG is much more efficient at how it stores image data, however. TIFF is an obsolete file format and there is really no reason to use it unless using old software that requires it (which does not apply to Studio). Because of this, a TIFF converted to PNG will give EXACTLY the same, bit-perfect image when loaded.
    * 3Delight runs tldmake on EVERYTHING to create the mipmap files it uses at rendertime. Coming from TIFF or PNG makes no difference.

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  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,
    O_O¡

    Wow; I just looked, and 3.2GB of my Runtime is taken up with TIF files. If I replaced those with .png files with the same name, would it work, or would I have to also find every .duf or .dsf or whatever that referenced them, and tweak those? I'm up for writing that script, if it'll save me a significant amount of that 3.2G to convert them all to lossless pngs...

    -- Morgan

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    She looks great, a definite improvement over S5.

    That said, compared to the other figures in the '6' line, her armpits do look to be a little high, not quite as bad as V4 was, but still high enough to look like they might need a fix at some point. What does anyone else think?

    CHEERS!


    ...I have to agree. A Gen6 character that I really want (OK Josie also kind of as well) especially with SickleYield's Slender S6.

    Alas she has to be another addition to the wishlist (and wait another sale).

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    I really liked S4, she had different heads and bodies that you could mix and match and no further release has had the same versatility straight out of the box.

    CHEERS!

    I never did that much with S4, mostly because I could never find any decent clothes to fit her! When the unimesh fits for the various V4 clothing products were released, poor Stephanie was almost never invited to the party; there were fits for Aiko 4, the Girl 4 (which I have never used, and probably never will!), even She-Freak 4. But Stephanie always seemed to get left in the lurch.

    That's why I hopped on Stephanie 5 when she appeared; I knew that there would be clothing options for her.
    ...for me Steph4 (along with the NPMs) was a godsend as the combination worked so well for creating teen characters since there were no Gen4 teens. I liked the different body/head shapes and facial morphs as well as the "generic" shapes that included a true "petite" physique.

    This was where steph5 was a disappointment to me as there was no "petite" shape for the base Genesis (the "thin" morph only made her look anorexic) and other than the default S5, the two additional body shapes were anything but "petite" when it came to the hips and boobs. Thankfully there was GenerationX (albeit, a somewhat expensive plugin set) which allowed me to load Steph4, all her shapes/morphs, as well as the NPMs into Genesis.

    I do agree about the clothing fits as before genesis & Autofit, I always seemed to get pokethrough in the upper abs in the front and shoulder blade regions in the back. The Morph Follower in Studio3 Advanced helped a bit but still had to do a lot of manual adjustment. Like you mention, they came out with a great character and then forgot about her when it came to updating clothing fits.

    This release of Steph definitely has me very interested, even though apparently there is only the one base shape, as her proportions look so much better than her S5 "sister". Furthermore, the base G2F has improved breast sizing and shaping/proportion controls than the original Genesis. In addition, I also have all the G2F Head/Body Morph resource packs as well as Zev0's Growing up at my disposal as well.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    Kaputcha said:
    I have mixed feelings. The S5 pro bundle was one of my best purchases, and the S5 morphs were some of the ones I used most for Genesis. But this pro bundle feels a bit lacking. The figure is nice, the extra characters are nice...but there doesn't seem to be any hair or outfits that scream at me to buy the pro bundle. I like to buy pro bundles because they feel like an awesome value, you get tons of great stuff to add a lot of variety to your runtime; and where the G2F library is still pretty young, I think DAZ missed a great opportunity to throw some new and unique outfits our way. It looks like this just gives us a long dress, a short dress, and some springwear... :(

    Of course, I tend to do fantasy and sci-fi renders, so modern clothes don't catch my interest as much. YMMV.


    ...for me it is quite the opposite as fantasy is not a genre (OK, save for fey characters) I work in. I'm actually quite happy to see more contemporary clothing for once in a character/figure bundle. Since the original Genesis appeared, I usually would only get the base character as it seems there was too much stuff in the starter/pro bundles I never would use (save for maybe a character morph, some hair, or additional pose set) to justify the extra cost. Most often I would just "build" my own bundle with the components I did like and maybe a few extra items not included that were more in line with the work I do. So I didn't get the gens, not really that big a deal.

    The only exceptions to the above were the YT5 Pro bundle as that did include nice selection of clothing as well as hair, characters, and poses (granted, fantasy skimpwear would have been a bit "inappropriate" for them), and V5/M5 Pro bundles which were included with the Carrara 8,5 Pro upgrade.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    lee_lhs said:
    FQIrving said:
    Any chance of someone posting a comparison of all the new Genesis ladies together? Curious to see the difference in Stephanie and the previous releases of the 6s. Please :)

    I don't own The Girl , and the lighting and render quality is rather lousy, but here you go. All characters are in default load mode:
    G2F base, Vic 6 HD, regular Vic 6, Josie 6, Steph 6, Gia 6, Olympia 6 HD, regular Olympia 6
    ...thank you. Wow, Steph6 is smaller than Josie OOTB. makes that choice a lot simpler.

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