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Did Stephen King invent the English language... no, he uses is it as an asset to create stories in our minds
Powerful dark magic it is... although, I was wondering what that funny rotting meat smell was... then again I was rolling in the compost pile earlier and my raccoon fur hat is just a portly raccoon that got run over, split open, hollowed out and dried in the sun... technically it wasn't entirely dry and it's still pretty drippy... but there aren't a lot of tutorials for good raccoon based millinery...
Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's the thread or me that smells bad.
It's usually me.
As long as you don't get too close or let it bite you, zombie threads aren't that bad... if you spray them with a little Axe Body Spray, it's soul penetrating concoction of industrial-musky adolescent aromas assault on your olfactory receptors will drown out most rotting flesh odors and leave it appearing to smell no worse than your average 18 year dude old going out on a date.
I'm pretty sure Steven King only invent the words "Mewling", "Apotheosis" and "Trundled"... the rest were invented by Bill English the 39th Prime Minister of New Zealand, while farming and dabbling in time travel in Dipton, Southland a few years before he started work as a policy analyst in 1987...
From what I understand he accidentally transported himself to 5th century Briton where he got chummy with a bunch of monks who liked crossword puzzles and starting new languages, so English traded them his new language for a bottle of scotch and some woolen socks before returning.
When he got back "English" had replaced Ingavonic (what everyone who speaks "English" was yammering in previously) and since he'd failed to copyright it, he couldn't receive any royalties on it.
honestly, i just came by the discussion by accident, and then someone else had recently brought it up to me recently in a discussion out in the real world, so thought it would be interesting to see what people's opinions would be today versus what they were previously. also its a very relevant subject in the sense that the world in large is finally catching up with whats happening in the digital world. Right now 50% on the content on this site is unoriginal. All the celebrities that are turned into 3d models here, give it some time and all the agents in movies, modeling and music industry will realize this and start suing anyone copying a famous person. in reality for example you cant sell something with the help of the likeness off a famous person. you can buy a model here with the eifel tower och chrystler building at the moment, but both those buildings are copy writer protected by the people who owns those monuments/buildings so even if some 3d artist is selling the model using it commercially is a grey area. the whole landscape of what people are doing at the moment will need to change soon and probably become more collaborative to create things that are unique.
so i just find it interesting when someone focuses on the person who makes the model mesh as someone that should be credited for work they in reality plagarized from somewhere and then people using assets creating something unique is often seen as they aren't doing anything. one person copies something and the other create something unique but we still have a tendency to value one over the other.
anyways didn't mean to cause trouble but its a discussion that always should happen.
LOL Nope I don't read dates most of the time.
Am I correct in assuming that you are not a lawyer?
Well, sometimes people take quite a long time to properly think through all the options to fomulate their opinions. Some folks are very thorough in that process, which also effects the abilities of some professional writers who sometimes takes years, if not decades, to bring out the long expected next-to-last book to their peak of creation... looking at you, Mr. George R. R. Martin
Sounds reasonable... why don't they ever teach this stuff in school
For all anyone knows, they do? Who listens?
Art is the ability to tell a story or trigger an emotion through words, music or images. You can tell if you have accomplished this by the number of people talking about your art. This means you will have to create and share what you've done and it means that other people will decide if you're an artist or not. Such is the nature of art.
Your intelligence and creativity, your skill and knowledge in the use of materials, are, amongst other things, what you bring to your renders. No one can ever guess the image and creation that will come out of your imagination and abilities.
I have some friends who are very amazing artists (I am not) and I could sit and watch them for hours, always fascinated by how they use their materials to create the internally visualized image.
I have a hobby I have been doing since I was 7 years old, and I noticed that often the most interesting and amazing builds come from people who are also artists.
Hmm… how exactly do you know your discussion in the real world was actually in the real world… ?
Is this the real life or is this just fantasy?
Or are you just caught in a landside, with no escape from reality?
I find discussions in the real world pedantic and obtuse and other words I don’t know the meaning of… but that’s neither here nor there, because I'm easy come, easy go, Little high, little low… Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to Me… tooooo me…
Sorry I was just listening to Queen and couldn’t get past that first sentence…
You didn't cause any trouble aside from maybe getting my attention and the inevitable part where I feel the need to comment and it causes undue eye strain or mental stress to anyone who reads whatever it is I wrote... that's very reckless of you, but it's understandable if you've never really noticed that certain kinds of threads and posts attract my attention like a dropped pizza to a subway rat.
In fact, did you know that if you post my user name three times in a row while standing in front of a mirror at midnight that I'll appear in back of you and give you a wedgie?*... mostly because I don't like being waken up or summoned at midnight, and it teaches a valuable lesson about dabbling with the occult.
But, having said that, I wanted to address the part about the 50% of stuff here being unoriginal... I'm really bad at math so numbers mean nothing to me, but still that sounds like a pretty big number... many of the folks here ("DAZ here", not "here" as in "here with me", as there is nobody here except for the creepy seagull with a weird foggy grey eye who is watching me from the shed roof and I'm pretty sure he's not a DAZ user)... many of those folks who make art are representing real world environments, situations or making art that is based in the real world... while it's great to have something that's completely original, sometimes having a Chrysler building or Eiffel Tower is necessary to tell a story or illustrate a point... I wasn't aware there was a Chrysler building at DAZ, but something like the Eiffel Tower is probably not copyrighted and is more of a cultural icon that one would not have to worry about being sued for making a model of... The Chrysler building… maybe not the same thing, but there is a certain amount of similarity that's allowed as long as you don't claim it's the exact thing, when something is copyrighted and you are alluding to it being the a representation of it "sort of"... the same with movie stars and models... A freind of mine looks like a slightly older sadder Brie Larson, but I doubt the actress is going to sue her mom for making a similar human... also, her mom died quite a while ago, so good luck putting the ashes back together and trying that.
Basically if it looks “sorta like” but you don’t call it the same thing you are generally safe… especially when it’s a landmark or historical structure… one only has to go to NYC and see the 47,619,332.8 ratty souvenir shops selling the human Statue of Liberty variant (the stern looking human female as opposed to the happy penguin), it’s not like Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom, or sculptor Frédéric-Auguste Bartholdi are going to bother to sue them for copyright infringement (although I’m not so sure about Pengatus the alternate universe Roman goddess of freedom… that’s a pretty litigious universe)…
Granted this universe is getting more and more stupidly litigious every day, but I think we are starting to finally see pushback towards perpetual copyrights, copyright trolling and ridiculous overreach… I get when something is a blatant copy ripping off a legit copyright or patent, but when you start trying to copyright shades of light or oxygen for eternity, it’s getting really stupid.
Regardless, some things need to be representations of real world items and there is nothing wrong with that unless you are making an exact copy of a copyrighted item and calling it by the same name.
What point does one have to reach to feel that a thing is so unique that it’s not a challenge to some patent or copyright?...
Granted that might explain the large number of weird toilets without seats out there being caused by fear of a Kohler lawsuits…
But still, I find using the word “plagiarizing” to be a bit strong… you would say it’s plagiarism if one say paints a picture of a people looking at The Death of Socrates in the Metropolitan Museum of Art?
How about if makes a physical scale model?
Or sculpts it out of mashed turnips?
Why should that be different with a 3D model made of electropolygonal elements?
Well, besides it not smelling funny after a few day like the mashed turnips would… that’s a definite difference.
Polygons are just another art medium, an intervening substance through which impressions are conveyed to the senses, like oil paint, clay, film or turnip putty.
Nobody is going to call Leonardo da Vinci a plagiarist for making a 2D copy of Lisa del Giocondo… and not just because he was surly and ripped like some wicked godlike pro wrestler and can travel through time to exact vengeance on anyone sullying his name, but because painting stuff that looks like stuff is recognized as “art”…
Granted people might mention the “P-word” when someone like Jeff Koons buys a vaccuum cleaner from Sears and sticks it in a plexiglass case as is… but that’s not my problem, or my point, which I’m starting to forget…
Modeling stuff out of electropolygonal elements is art… it’s just using mathematical approximations of theoretical surfaces within a virtual 3D space to represent a real world object…
And who is to say what the real world is… Is this the real life or is this just fantasy? Or are we all just caught in a landside, with no escape from reality?… should I really care? because I'm easy come, easy go, Little high, little low… Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to Me… tooooo me…
I rest my case… whatever the hell it was…
But please note, I’m not a lawyer... merely a regular humanoid meat creature who occasionally likes to dress up as one and hand out fake jury summons to random strangers.
*In case anyone outside the US is unfamiliar with the term "wedgie", that's where you grab someone's underwear elastic and attempt to lift them by it until their underwear wedge so far up their bum crack it's permanently fused to their coccyx... tailbone... coccyx sounds dirty, but so does wedgie if you aren't familiar with it or using Google translate which probably turns it into something pornographic sounding... and I wanted to be clear that I don't offer those kind of services.
Actually, in retrospect, some people might be into that kind of thing, so I'm no longer going to be doing that anymore... now anyone summoning me will just have to go back to the older method involving a pentagram made of pork chops and bacon, surrounded by a circle of Krispy Kreme donuts with candles in them... and please no scented candles... it detracts from the porky aromas.
Art is more about composition and emotional impact, and not about the materials/components that are used to make it, ignore all 3D art elitists when they say our community is not a proper artist community... I see plenty of bad composition/no emotional impact with realistic zbrush sculpts!
If your composition is sound, and you can get/express an emotional reaction from your viewer with your art, then that is all one needs as an artist.
you will have to create and share what you've done and it means that other people will decide if you're an artist or not.
I've said that numerous times, but I think we're in a progressive time and place - so whatever someone thinks of/about themselves must be the reality for everyone else.
Mostly the pushback is about how the meanings of words have changed so that it broadens the definition and everyone who wants to be included must be.
If we circle back to the original title ...
Making renders but using other people's assets....
It's not using "other people's assets" they are your assets, once you buy them. lol
Most analogies about this are very far off.
The Daz Composition --> Render creative flow is unlike 95.3% of other traditional artworks so I have no idea why the comparisons continue...to continue.
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Art is Validated from 3 different angles.
Audience (the subjective opinions)
Peers (the objective opinions)
Critics (The context without opinion)
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I agree with @Pascal Comics and further say - If you can't get one of those three to consider your stuff art, then it doesn't matter to anyone else, what you- yourself think about it.
Enjoy making stuff and don't worry about other people's opinion until it's time to.
This is the DAZ forums, the most necro-postingness forum in existence, I've seen 4 yr old threads from 20 pages ago get resurrected here, other forums would have banned our lot for all the necro-posting we do!
Just found my new sig!
Exactly! What are those hundreds, thousands, millions people think who they are, telling me not being an artist! I feel astistic, so I have all rights and reason to call meself an artist, even when I only throw some kilograms of butter against a wall... well... okay, the thing about art sometimes it to give a good enough explanation for what one did having to be seen as "art" when the real art is not in the item itself, but in the explanation and the ability to make others to see it as art. It often helps to be dead.
Of course there is one small problem when starting a new thread about something, that has been talked before in a now long buried thread on page 20+: The Powers From The Shadows aka Moderators, who gladly lock such new threads for "There's already a thread about this."
So Necromancy is not a problem here in DAZland - it's expected and a well known tradition!
Well that's somewhat a relief to know as there are plenty of threads that I bypassed due to my necro-posting concerns, now I can work on my necromancy skills! :D
People decorate their homes all the time using COTS and it is art, even so. It's silly to even try to argue otherwise.
Thanks, I was just thinking about this
I use to buy all of the models dtpm the DAZ Store and do my little renders and after awhile, i felt the same way. I realized that I wasn't really creating any art. I was just putting stuff together that other people made.So I stopped buying the models and got Maya, ZBrush, Substance Painter, and Mastered Adobe Photoshop and after 5 years and 20 Certifications. I feel great I can finally model my own creations. I still like to visit the DAZ Store just to see who is creation what? But DAZ is a great site for learning how to work with models, but to really become a true 3D Modeler takes a lot of time proctice and study. I started with ZBrush, Substance Painter, Adobew Photoshop, Autodesk Inventor Pro and Autodesk Maya. I spent thousands out my pocket to learn: it was worth every cent.
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getting near to the Day of the Dead
As I see it, the tools and the art are two different things. The tools are what you use to make the art, the art is what you make with the tools. I don't see 3D content as tools, but as premade art made with tools like DS, which you can combine and manipulate to make more complex art, or whatever, with.