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There was a lot of pissed of 20xx buyers that recieved DOA cards, including me with a DOA 2070 lol. Worked out in the end, the vendor wouldn't refund me till I shipped it back on my own dime. By the time I got a refund, the supers came out, and I had saved a bit more and went with a 2080 super.
VRAM is not so much a issue for me and I'm more concerned about power consumption, price and if it will fit my case. If the specs/price they say are true I'll be going for an RTX 3080 that (maybe) will more than double the performance of my current 2080. That's a good enough upgrade for me.
I am a bit short on sympathy.
I know I told people to wait; I saw other people doing the same.
I do, however, sympathise a little if they had to buy a card due to breakage, but... They didn't need to get a 2080ti.
The lack of news on higher memory cards is bothering me. And we may not get any until after AND anounce.
However a 2nd hand 2080ti for $450 might also suit me.
Just wait a few more months to see if we get any "super", 3060, 3070, etc. They'll be the cards to buy, especially if AMD are going for higher memory on theirs. The 2080 Ti is going to be a sub $300 second hand buy. For me $450 is way overpriced considering. That is notwithstanding the fact a limited supply of new 30xx cards this year will mean you can add $60-$80 to the RRP.
I wouldn't now consider a 2080ti for more than 300.
That may change as things develop, but currently it appears to offer slightly less than a 3070 it terms of performance, and then you're buying second hand. A new one, from a reputable supplier 400 maybe.
I re-state; this is using what I know now - which is pretty much what Nvidia stated in their announcement, and not basing it off other's opinions. I can only go off what they said it can do.
... I would really like to know what it really can do.
All I'm confident of is that they will at least perform slightly better than the 2000 series cards; anything other than that would be a huge disaster for Nvidia.
Unfortunately the reviewers will concetrate on games and perhaps Blender. We'll have to wait for a Daz person to buy one before finding out how they do with iRay.
Here's a quick analysis of the Nvidia presentation slide numbers, by Jim at Adored TV.
Nothing really new here, but if you like to hear/watch such things, and how the numbers break down, might be worth the watch.
As always, best to wait on the independent benchmarks, as the major silicon players all like to cherry pick the numbers that they include in their presentations. It's about 11 days ago until the announced release date for the first batch of cards, so we don't have all that long to wait! Hardware reliability numbers/reports will take much longer to accumulate of course.
Thats the problem with ebay. I purchased electronic drum pads I am in Canada. They was some cosmetic scracthes upon arrival. For returning / refunding them I would of lost too much money.
Also, here are some initial OpenCL and CUDA numbers, as compiled by Videocards:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-168-of-rtx-2080-performance-in-cuda-and-opencl-benchmarks
Looks like roughly a 67% performance uplift, based on the Compubench numbers. It'll be nice to see specific Daz Iray numbers when those eventually show up, and how those compare to the raw CUDA numbers. I'm sure that updated drivers will improve things a tiny bit over time as well.
I'm not bothered about Iray, but Blender is just fine.
Some salty language.
Does Cycles use Optix yet? I think they were adding it at some point, with the help of NVIDIA.
If you use a Nvidia card; you don't have to though.
Iray is not pure CUDA anymore, since it uses RTX. Its already been posted in this thread that Iray dev team is seeing anywhere from a 1.7 to 2.55x increase in performance between the 3080 and the Quadro 6000. Nobody here has a Quadro 6000, but it should be right around a Titan RTX, if not slightly faster. So while many of the numbers seen so far only compare a 3080 to a lower tier 2080, this one is comparing the 3080 to basically one of the fastest Iray cards currently available and still getting big numbers. And the 3090 will be even faster than that. It is also interesting because both the Titan RTX and Quadro 6000 have 24GB of VRAM. But the Titan is $2500 and the 6000 is $4000. And the 3090 is going to be $1500. I see no reason to believe that the Iray plugin Daz receives will perform any differently. And also, these number may not even be with optimized drivers.
Many reports suggest that supply will be extremely limited for launch, like the worst supply for a Nvidia launch ever. But we shall see. Nvidia has already fooled people with both their CUDA core counts and pricing. This is because Nvidia basically lied to their AIB partners about them, as AIBs were still posting incorrect info after the announcement. It would not surprise me at all if Nvidia is also misleading their own AIBs about overall supply. Samsung yields might very well be bad, but unlike TSMC, Samsung doesn't have too many other customers fighting for capacity either. I also heard that Samsung may have offered Nvidia a deal to only charge them for working chips. If this is the case (and this is pure speculation,) then Nvidia has no reason to slow production to wait for better yields. They can have Samsung crank out the wafers as fast as they can. I have also heard that Samsung has about 70% yields right now. For comparison, TSMC has been well above 90% for some time. That is a big difference, and the 3090 requires a lot of working cores, though not the full die. I'd say that is likely the reason they don't have a fully enabled chip on offer, and they probably will not for this generation unless Samsung drastically improves.
As for higher VRAM capacity, since Nvidia did not say anything about it, don't expect them for a while, if at all. But like I said, Nvidia almost certainly has the designs for them and can make them if they want to. Sure Lenovo had that leak, but its Lenovo. I'm really not putting faith in them. If a AIB leaks it, then that would be different.
It is certainly going to be a wild season. It is only getting started. AMD is just around the corner as well.
Yeah I saw a leak recently where AMD is looking at dropping the prices a bit on Big Navi a bit more in response to the 3080 prices. Of course, until it's officially launched/released, not much point in worrying about it.
Rumoured Big Navi price drops I didn't think were so great. What helped with the Ryzen competition with intel was the CPUs wore both better and much cheaper, not just a few dollars cheaper.
The 3090 will probably be too much for me ... it is the successor of the Titan RTX. Very good price point for a Titan RTX successor though, but for my purposes probably not the right investment. I won't render much in Iray in the future and depending on the renderer, the Titan RTX is only some seconds faster than 2080ti in some benchmarks so this could translate to 3090 vs 3080 as well. I might consider a 3080 to replace my 2080ti but I will wait for ATI to release their series and see how this affects Nvidia's lineup. Maybe Nvidia will release a 3080 super version next year. The gaming benchmarks look solid so far - I care about 4k gaming and RTX and the 3080 looks solid.
Yeah, I was hoping that the 3090 wouldn't be over $2k like those in the rumorsphere were saying, thank F it debuted for less than $1k of the price of a Titan! I'd have gotten the 3080 save for the measly 2gb VRAM boost over my 8gb 1080! Plus the monster performance boost will be huge; I cannot wait!
I really don't know what AMD is up to. I don't think anybody does, even the leakers. I expect AMD to be able to compete extremely well with the...3070. They may take on the 3080. But I very seriously doubt they have anything that can touch the 3090. But they may not need to. I am 100% positive that AMD will position a card just for the 3070, just like they did the 1070 a few years ago with the Vega 56. That directly lead to the 1070ti. So this situation could repeat all over again. There is not a lot of room between the 3070 and 3080 in price, a potential 3070ti would have to take the $600 slot, or maybe the $550 slot to go head to head with whatever AMD is using.
The 3080 can do the same thing, or maybe a 3080ti. Nvidia has plenty of options at their disposal, and I personally feel they have near total control, if they need a 3080ti, they can do it. I don't think AMD can be that flexible.
Nvidia's biggest concern is going to be supply and reliability. If the rumors about stock are true, they may have a big problem keeping up with demand, and that could be the one thing that opens the door for AMD to gain market share. People may switch to AMD simply because they can't buy Ampere anywhere. But even if this happens, the scarcity of these cards could drive prices even higher, in spite of AMD's competition. That would be a very bad thing for both us and Nvidia. However, I don't think the supply will be quite that disastrous, why launch a GPU nobody can buy? They could have delayed a little and still beat AMD to launch. It sounds strange to me. Also, Nvida told their investors, the people most companies are more honest towards, that they expect a solid 25% growth versus the last quarter. That is for this coming quarter, during the launch. If supply is so disastrously limited, why would Nvidia say this to their investors? It would backfire on them horribly.
At any rate, here is a direct response from a UK retailer saying that they "expect good volumes at launch". They also provide a big list of models they are carrying, with more expected to be added.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/nvidia-rtx-30-series-3090-3080-3070-now-online-at-ocuk.18897450/
Back to reliability, I stress this regardless as repair is my industry, but I often recommend buying a warranty on such large purchases if you plan on using it longer than the standard 3 year warranty. I do think Ampere may have some reliability issues, particularly for its launch stock. If you really need a GPU every day, having a backup might help, too. Also, not to sound like a sales person, but I know EVGA also offers a rapid RMA warranty package. They will ship you a replacement before they even receive your defective card so you have as little down time as possible, you can choose faster shipping as well. They ship the replacement card the day you create your RMA. I forget what they call it, but if you make money off your GPUs this may be a good option. For me, I would just use my 1080ti for a week or so.
I went on a snipe hunt for AMD rumors earlier tonight and found some interesting tidbits. The main rumor is that the flagship Big NAVI card (NAVI 22) will be on par with the 3080 and have 16 GB of ram. Other rumors say the top card will not be much faster than a 3070. We will have to wait for the show to see what is acually true. I am hoping that BIG NAVI is at least close in performance with Amphere because with more memory on the top and mid cards, Nvidia may just decide to build the RTX 3080 20GB and the RTX 3070 16 GB because it seems that most people equate more memory with more performance, no matter if it is true from a gaming perspective or not.
That's the thing isn't it. The price is going to go way above RRP simply because of scarcity. If you can get a card before 2021 it won't be at the price NVIDIA stated in their presentation. It was the same with Zen 2. The processor I eventually bought was +£70-£100 due to demand (3900X). It's settled down now though.
It doesn't really matter in one respect; the 3070 is where the majority of the sales will be; Steam is a good source of what most users have. Competing there would be fine, although it would be nice if they compete at the 3080 level and even give the 3090 a run for its money.
I use Scan, but it's nice to see the Price of the Strix as that will be what I get. My 980ti is a Strix and silent when not being used (a huge deal for me) and not an issue when rendering in Iray. I don't even notice it in Blender. It's funny but thinking about it, if I use CPU and GPU in Iray, the noise sucks, yet in Blender it doesn't...
Water blocks! Get your 3080/3090 water blocks!
https://wccftech.com/bykski-launches-geforce-rtx-3090-geforce-rtx-3080-reference-custom-fe-flavor-water-blocks/
If this can get the GPU size down to say dual slot, as opposed to the 2.2 to 3 slot cards we've been reading about, yeah... I needs my other slots for other peripherals ya know! Of course, where to place the radiator, etc. becomes an issue with water cooled solutions, but that's a 'typical' consideration when using water blocks with CPUs and/or GPUs.
I've been a bit curious as to how many motherboards out there that may have clearance issues if the huge 3090 'air cooled' cards are placed in the first PCIe slot. Most GPU cards up to now don't jut out a whole lot on the backplane side, if at all, so that'll be something that would be buyers may need to pay attention to. Card length can also be an issue for some systems, but that's nothing new.
Forget the 3 slot 3090 FE card that has been shown....i read something today that indicated Gigabyte's 3090 extreme model is actually going to be a 4 slot unit.
If i wasnt intent on running at least 2x GPU in my systems, i would get one of them just for bragging rights and have it in a nice tempered glass case so its sheer size is visible
What I find interesting is - does Nvidia try to market the 3090 as a high end gaming card? Considering this is the successor of the Titan RTX and the Titan wasn't marketed as the flagship gaming card but the 2080ti was. While the 2080ti was widely available in consumer hardware stores in my country the stock for Titans were very rare in stores that sell to consumers.
What I find interesting is that the current Ampère range does not have an offering in the 1000 range. The 3070 is stated to occupy the 500-600 range, the 3080 takes the 700-800 slot and the 3090 is reported to start at 1500 minimum. In the 900-1100 range - no offering. While this slot does not offer the majority of sales I would have thought that this is an interesting segment for nvidia ... but it could well be that Nvidia thought the customers looking for the performance crown should spend 500+ more for the 3090 and those who don't bother to pay 1500 and more would not bother with a card that is faster than the 3080.
Lol it's like PC hit their smallest size, and are slowly getting bigger again like a pendulum. In ten years time, PC gonna be ginourmous like they were when they first started out :P
Best way of putting it: interesting.
... We don't know why, but we can certainly speculate - or as I prefer to put it: guess.
Titan has always been a 'tweener brand stradlling between the GTX and Quadro line price/feature wise. I think Nvidia drops Titan in favor of 3090 because Ampere has three product groups: RTX, Quadro and DTX each with its own chip lines. It's fine to have a tweener when you have two product lines but confusing when there are three. Also both 3090 and 3080 use the same die. 3090 still a 'tweener card likely by destination but by design and marketing purpose it has very little Titan in it.
The $1000 price point is obviously reserved for 3080 Ti.