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I expect it is obviously reserved for a variety of options; nvidia will announce them as appropriate once they've seen what AMD are doing.
... However, after specifically stating the 3080 is the new flagship, replacing the 80ti varient (or something along those lines), then introducing one would be a kick in the teeth to consumers.
Nvidia has done it many times before. Also our pereception of value moving relative to time in semiconductor has been kinda wacky ever since Moore's Law started dying.
Nvidia almost exists to do it at this point. The Pascal launch had no 1080ti. But they'd have a hard time doing that this time. The gaming media still feels burned from that and the Turing launch. They'd get roasted.
Keep in mind those are renders not photos. While they may be accurate there is as yet no way to be sure. Considering the hate 3 slots cards got I'd be really shocked to see a 4 slot one. What I'm surprised by is that the Kingpin is the only AIO one so far.
Without NVLink, it's no flagship, just a teaser for the ones that have to have one amongst the first.
I think the sheer number of partners who are releasing multiple variants of the 3090 shows that at least someone believes the 3090 can be marketed as a high end gaming card. i find it hard to believe ASUS and EVGA would be putting this much effort into the machine learning and AI market, lol.
They've never really been sure how to market it. This time they seem to be trying the "super high end" gamer/enthusiast niche. There's a Kingpin version. That's aimed directly at overclockers.
Agreed.
But it actually seems like they're actually not trying to annoy their customer base straight away.
... Of course, time will tell.
My theory on the super cards, is that they screwed something up, and had to fix it. I heard a whole lot more outrage posts about 2070 and 2080 DOA cards than I heard about DOA super cards. Or maybe the supers were just binned chips or something, who knows lol.
There are a number of folks that must have the best. The Titan wasn't a gaming card, nor was it marketted as such, despite performing very well in that area, so it could be safely ignored by many - especially if their pockets didn't stretch that far.
The 3090 whilst stated to be a Titan replacement, it's nomenclature clearly define it as part of the gaming line up; that will be enough for some, especially coupled with the more realistic pricing.
It's the only card to be priced less than the 2000 series; I keep seeing folks congratulate Nvidia of a return to mormality on the card-pricing front. I don't see that as these cards are pretty much the same as the 2000 series; all Nvidia seem to have realised is that folks weren't happy with the performance V cost of the said 2000 series. The consumer appears (and I emphasise appears) to be getting some value at least this time. Rendering users (by far the smallest customer demographic for gaming cards), were simply fortunate in that cost wise the 2000 RTX did actually turn out to be a reasonable buy.
... I reiterate, the exception is the 3090, which seems to almost be a bargain in comparrison... In comparrison at least. 1500 is a decent chunk of change by most folks measure.
Here's some more "leaks" dressed up as speculation, or speculation dress up as leaks.
Too speculative for me to offer more of an opinion.
Just a quick note:
Moore's law (doubling of transistors incorporated into a chip every two years) is actually still on track if you use 8000 transistors in 1975 as a baseline, thanks to EPYC Rome's launch in 2019. As long as somone hits 64 billion transistors by 2021.
Note that the video above predates the release of EPYC Rome. A fully populated Rome chip has a transistor count of 39.54 billion transistors...
Also, there's that massive Cerebras wafer scale chip... the second gen chip has 2.6 TRILLION transistors incorporated into the chip. If you include that one, well Cerebras destroyed Moore's law in it's most literal sense. A lot of people don't count that chip though, as wafer scale chips aren't practical for 99.9% of users...
EUV technology has extended the life of Moore's law a bit, due to just how much it can shrink things... Here's Jim Keller talking about it:
https://www.ekwb.com/blog/did-you-know-the-nvidia-30-series-founders-edition-layout-is-not-a-reference-design/
For anyone who might be interested in a custom loop with these cards do not buy the Nvidia FE cards. Also the 12 pin will only be on the FE cards.
And the only things in there will be a graphics card and a liquid nitrogen cooler.
Bykski has already revealed waterblock designs for both Founders Edition and Reference PCB layouts. The tricky part will be not accidentally getting the wrong one.
We may have some AMD announcements tomorrow, err later today Daz3D time...
https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-rdna-2-gpu-powered-radeon-rx-6000-series-unveil-tomorrow/
Later today Daz time is fine; Daz soon, however, is not.
This would be great; having a good idea of AMD before I actually have to decide to get a 3090 on launch or not is a good thing.
Since the FE cards will be rare the FE blocks will be special order type things. Avoiding limited run things is always a good thing in waterblocks, which are limited production items in the first place.
https://wccftech.com/evga-closer-look-geforce-rtx-3070-xc3-graphics-card/
An attractive piece of kit, if you only want a card as fast as a 2080ti (presuming the hype is accurate)... And presuming you actually care what they look like.
No ones posted about all the miners snapping up the first lot of 3080's?
We're in for rough start peeps!
We're hoping if we ignore them then they'll go away!
Is it actually still a thing? The return on mining depends if you sell a rig for mining or foolishly hope to earn cash by actually mining.
Seems to have been clarified.. not miners..!
Lots of clickbait articles about 3080/3090 right now. Tomshardware has a same headline about the miners but within the article it contradicts itself by saying you are better off mining with a Radeon VII than 3080.
GPU mining isn't a thing and hasn't been a thing for a while. There may be a few suckers still doing it but the Chinese "entrepreneurs" who were "buying" entire containers of cards before they entered the retail stream are not interested any more. The electricty and other costs out weigh the profit they can make.
The supply shortage will be caused by other factors, Nvidia not having a ton of actual silicon to ship to AIB's, AIB's having to bin the silicon they do get to produce their various top end products (which they are all selling at launch), speculators buying up cards at the wholesale level and holding them back back hoping to sell them for a mark up between the first and second shipment and some of the supply being diverted to OEM's so it can go into new desktops rather than be sold as individual units (there will be new computers with the new GPU's on sale from Dell etc. within days of the official release).
I think the shortage of silicon will be the big issue. Keep in mind this is a brand new process. Yields on brand new processes are always spotty. That this was kept secret means this fab isn't very large at all. So it isn't exactly churning out wafers in the first place.
I expect that a large number of minors will snag these cards. They may need to ask mom and dad for money first...
Oh, not those minors. So the guys in the natural resource mining industries then? I do suspect that a few of those folk will be snagging these for simulations, geo-prospecting, etc... Not a lot of people in that line of work. I'm sure a few of those folk do have gaming rigs for their days off though! Some might play Minecraft just for fun too, although that's not the most demanding game title out there, so not an immediate need for that 3080 vs older cards, deals aside.
Not those folk either? You mean those guys that build the black holes of power consumption, then sell everything off when the cryptocurrency flavor of the week goes south? OK, yeah I knew what y'all meant, but Minors and the other Miners need love too!
OK, the AMD thing today was to confirm the unveil dates for Vermeer Zen 3 CPUs and Radeon RX 6000 GPUs
October 8th for Vermeer Zen 3, October 28th for the RX 6000 series GPUs.
https://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-radeon-rx-6000-rdna-2-gpus-ryzen-4000-vermeer-cpus-october-unveil/
So just a tease, but we have official dates for the unvelings now. These of course could be subject to change, but since it's an official announcement, that's unlikely. Now, unveiling isn't necessarily the same as launching of course!
So, nothing much to see here (yet), carry on!
Just a quick heads up. This doesn't really relate to GPUs, but for those of you that like to buy used server grade CPUs occasionally, you should know about this:
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-psb-vendor-locks-epyc-cpus-for-enhanced-security-at-a-cost/
The short form, for those that won't check the link right now, according to the article above, is that EPYC CPUs can apparently be 'vendor locked' to specific ecosystems, via a 'fuse' that is built into the CPUs. Once those security fuses are set, you won't be able to port the CPUs over to motherboards from other vendors. Right now it looks like only HPE and Dell EMC are doing this, but that's not to say that other vendors won't take advantage of it as well.
So this is more of a heads up if you should see used EPYC CPUs on Ebay or something. STH discovered this in their lab testing, where once a CPU was used on certain specific motherboards, that these CPUs would no longer work in other platforms that they had been tested in previously. Again, something to keep in mind as you shop for used EPYC hardware...
IMHO, it's a bit of a 'dick move' but apparently for security reasons it might have advantages. I think it's more of a 'we want you to buy only our ecosystem hardware' move, but that's a matter of opinion... So for you DIY workstation types, just be aware...