Nvidia Ampere (2080 Ti, etc. replacements) and other rumors...

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  • billyben_0077a25354billyben_0077a25354 Posts: 771
    edited September 2020

    Went to EVGA this morning to get prices and took a while to get in (Kept getting an error due to high traffic on the page).  By the time I was able to access the RTX 3080 page, either they had already sold out or they haven't listed any stock yet as all of their 3080 cards show to be out of stock.

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  • droidy001 said:
    Absolute madness on scan.co.uk. Claiming that prices start at £649 but the cheapest is £710. People putting them in baskets and finding the price has jumped up by up to £70 Free shipping advertised but turns out to be £11 The tech world has gone nutts

    Not familiar with the site but Amazon has third party sellers playing games with prices and terms apparently.

    You have to take your hat off to the nvidia marketing department. Personally I'm happy with my 2060S but watching all this hype is fun. Now if AMD launch some stonking cheap cards and nvidia bring out the rumoured 16gb 3070 at a ridiculous price to compete, I would be interested.
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Prices in Finland (VAT included);

    Asus 3070, EUR 720 and EUR 750 (Sales starting on Oct.15)
    Asus 3080, EUR 800 and EUR 950 (No date yet)
    Asus 3090, EUR 1650 and EUR 1950 (Sales starting on Sep.24)

  • Went to EVGA this morning to get prices and took a while to get in (Kept getting an error due to high traffic on the page).  By the time I was able to access the RTX 3080 page, either they had already sold out or they haven't listed any stock yet as all of their 3080 cards show to be out of stock.

    They're all sold out. I checked all the US brands and they all seem to be sold out. I'm guessing that beyond some third party folks selling at inflated prices there are no cards available.

  • Went to EVGA this morning to get prices and took a while to get in (Kept getting an error due to high traffic on the page).  By the time I was able to access the RTX 3080 page, either they had already sold out or they haven't listed any stock yet as all of their 3080 cards show to be out of stock.

    Yeah, it's just like trying to get tickets for Comicon... if you can get into the site, that means they're already sold out.

  • Did anybody really get a 3080 today (17/09/2020), all the retailer websites crashed....sad, the NVidia official site suddenly changed to "out of stock" from "Notify me", I even didn't get the chance to glimpse the button "add to cart"

  • TriCounterTriCounter Posts: 567
    edited September 2020
    droidy001 said:
    Absolute madness on scan.co.uk. Claiming that prices start at £649 but the cheapest is £710. People putting them in baskets and finding the price has jumped up by up to £70 Free shipping advertised but turns out to be £11 The tech world has gone nutts

    Looks like my 1060 will have to keep me going a while yet!  Dumped my 2070s too cheaply by the looks of things :(

    The fact the Amazon.co.uk aren't involved in sales probably show the UK had little stock (Founders was a joke).  I don't trust any of the sellers in the UK, all have bad reps and Scan were scalping Oculus VR in lockdown they had no hope of fulfilling and taking money immediately.  I did order the Zotac Trinity card from Amazon.de, still up for pre-order so I doubt that will come.  I wanted the Founders or EVGA based on 28.5cm length but getting a Zotac 5 Year warranty would be OK.

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    droidy001 said:
    droidy001 said:
    Absolute madness on scan.co.uk. Claiming that prices start at £649 but the cheapest is £710. People putting them in baskets and finding the price has jumped up by up to £70 Free shipping advertised but turns out to be £11 The tech world has gone nutts

    Not familiar with the site but Amazon has third party sellers playing games with prices and terms apparently.

     

    You have to take your hat off to the nvidia marketing department. Personally I'm happy with my 2060S but watching all this hype is fun. Now if AMD launch some stonking cheap cards and nvidia bring out the rumoured 16gb 3070 at a ridiculous price to compete, I would be interested.

    Happy too with my 2070 Super (+NVLink) but noticed it coming down 30% (EUR 670 -> EUR 470)... Hmm... 16GB VRAM for EUR 470+120... Tempting...

  • I totally understand the pent-up demand and huge interest in the 3080; it is such a great price for what it offers, and I can see a lot of gamers thinking $700 is worth clicking on a web page for hours.

    I'm curious if the 3090 will get the same crush of orders; regardless of value/features it is a $1,500 piece of hardware-is that going to generate the same amount of frenzy?

     

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    I was tempted but luckily when I clicked the 'Buy Now' button it just wouldn't load the cart. I think it's a sign to wait for the 3090.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2020

    3rd party prices are not surprising. Nvidia is able to control their costs better, after all, these are Nvidia designed chips. Obviously they sell them to 3rd parties for a profit. Then the AIBs need to design everything else, cooler and all. So yeah, look for typical prices to be anywhere from $50 to $100 more. Cards with more exotic cooling will be more than that.

    But $1000? yeah, that's some gouging there.

     

    Also the cards like the ASUS TUF Gaming is faster and quieter out of the box than the NVIDIA FE. 

    It costs $50 more; it isn't worth $50 if you calculate the performance per $

    ... In fact all but two of the games I saw, it was worse or at best 1fps better.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I may get a founders edition, otherwise, I'm thinking AMD and Blender is the way to go.

    Someone looks to be price gouging, but some take advantage.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,257

    ...got an email this morning from Newegg about the 3080. 

  • nicstt said:

    I may get a founders edition, otherwise, I'm thinking AMD and Blender is the way to go.

    Someone looks to be price gouging, but some take advantage.

    I was going to go for an EVGA model, but might just get the FE instead, as there is no reason to pay an extra $50 just to get the EVGA card over the FE, in fact the FE did much better for the bench marking tools and rendering engines over EVGA!

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975
    More rumour that a 20GB 3080 is on the horizon after AMD's RX 6000 launch: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-teases-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-memory
  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    So apparently Nvidia has apologized for the 3080 stock situation. https://www.legitreviews.com/geforce-rtx-3080-sales-demand-unprecedented-nvidia-apologizes_222120

    I find it kind of odd that they did not expect this much demand when the hype has been going strong for months. But they did promise that stock would be shipping out every day. So no, the day 1 stock was not everything they had.

  • I've been seriously looking at getting a RTX3080 but I'm not getting sucked into this new release madness, best to sit back and wait for things to calm down...
    Steve.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2020

    I've been seriously looking at getting a RTX3080 but I'm not getting sucked into this new release madness, best to sit back and wait for things to calm down...
    Steve.

    +1

    Sitting on our cash is never to our disadvantage.

    nicstt said:

    I may get a founders edition, otherwise, I'm thinking AMD and Blender is the way to go.

    Someone looks to be price gouging, but some take advantage.

    I was going to go for an EVGA model, but might just get the FE instead, as there is no reason to pay an extra $50 just to get the EVGA card over the FE, in fact the FE did much better for the bench marking tools and rendering engines over EVGA!

    I consider the FE 3080 to be decent value for a gaming card. It makes up for some of the price hike (seriously rediculous on the 2000 series); if you lookd at the performance gain over the 2000 and 3000 v the 1000, then what you have is roughly the improvement normally expected over two generations.

    I'm talking gaming here, as that is the intended purpose; we're fortunate in that we either don't game or only a little - obviously there will be some gamers who are Daz customers, but I I think(?) they are the relative minority. That fortune I talk about is that for rendering, the performance is better - at least going off the 2000 series; a couple of indications whilst hopeful is by no means conclusive for the 3000 series.

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  • AsariAsari Posts: 703

    I've been seriously looking at getting a RTX3080 but I'm not getting sucked into this new release madness, best to sit back and wait for things to calm down...
    Steve.

    Agree. I will do the same - wait and see what happens. Also, once more people have access to the cards we see more benchmarks. For games, for render engines too, and we can make better decisions.
  • AsariAsari Posts: 703
    edited September 2020
    nicstt said:

    I've been seriously looking at getting a RTX3080 but I'm not getting sucked into this new release madness, best to sit back and wait for things to calm down...
    Steve.

    +1

    Sitting on our cash is never to our disadvantage.

    nicstt said:

    I may get a founders edition, otherwise, I'm thinking AMD and Blender is the way to go.

    Someone looks to be price gouging, but some take advantage.

    I was going to go for an EVGA model, but might just get the FE instead, as there is no reason to pay an extra $50 just to get the EVGA card over the FE, in fact the FE did much better for the bench marking tools and rendering engines over EVGA!

    I consider the FE 3080 to be decent value for a gaming card. It makes up for some of the price hike (seriously rediculous on the 2000 series); if you lookd at the performance gain over the 2000 and 3000 v the 1000, then what you have is roughly the improvement normally expected over two generations.

    I'm talking gaming here, as that is the intended purpose; we're fortunate in that we either don't game or only a little - obviously there will be some gamers who are Daz customers, but I I think(?) they are the relative minority. That fortune I talk about is that for rendering, the performance is better - at least going off the 2000 series; a couple of indications whilst hopeful is by no means conclusive for the 3000 series.

    I'm in both camps, rendering and gaming. So my card has to do both, and 4k is important for me. I'm currently moving away from Iray rendering partially so I'm not prioritizing Iray speed performance. I'm curious to see benchmarks of other render engines, because these are often different than gaming benchmarks. For instance, in Arnold renderer the difference between Titan RTX and the 2080ti were not so much apart as I would expect based on the specs. But then even Arnold GPU isn't fully GPU dependent so upgrading solely for this particular engine won't be worth it.

    But if someone is in need of upgrading and could get their hands on limited stocks then yes the 3080 is a good card for the price. If you have an older card that just won't do it anymore and are in need of an upgrade this won't be a bad choice.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2020

    If i can get a founders from nvidia, I will

    I want to replace both cards, which are over 5 years old (970/980ti), and the 970 is damaged.

    If I can't, I'll wait to see what AMD do; it's possible to have both manufacturers's cards in a system - although it can be a pain. I render in Blender, so I would be doing it limiting my self only to Blender unless I wanted to use CPU (hahaha - it's good in Blender but not in Iray)

    My own opinioin, is that AMD's new cards are going to be good. (Wish I had a crystal ball on how good.)

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  • AsariAsari Posts: 703
    nicstt said:

    If i can get a founders from nvidia, I will

    I want to replace both cards, which are over 5 years old (970/980ti), and the 970 is damaged.

    If I can't, I'll wait to see what AMD do; it's possible to have both manufacturers's cards in a system - although it can be a pain. I render in Blender, so I would be doing it limiting my self only to Blender unless I wanted to use CPU (hahaha - it's good in Blender but not in Iray)

    My own opinioin, is that AMD's new cards are going to be good. (Wish I had a crystal ball on how good.)

    If you get your 3090 please post your experience, also in Cycles! Always curious to hear how cards perform in other engines. We have some good benches and reports here for Iray (which I do appreciate a lot) but some reports and comparisons for other engines are useful as well to see how good a card performs in other render engines.
  • Reports are that the scalpers used bots to buy the entire stock within seconds of the stores going live.

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    Reports are that the scalpers used bots to buy the entire stock within seconds of the stores going live.

    Others are speculating that it was a "paper" launch and that there was no real stock available anywhere outside of the review cards sent to the YouTubers, etc. Of course that's full-blown tin-foil hat.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    Galaxy said:

    I highly doubt that. There are a number of people trying to counter the scalping by not paying the money. They are offering up huge dollar amounts, and effectively wasting the scalper's time. So odds are this is one of those. There is sort of a war going on between them.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    evacyn said:

    Reports are that the scalpers used bots to buy the entire stock within seconds of the stores going live.

    Others are speculating that it was a "paper" launch and that there was no real stock available anywhere outside of the review cards sent to the YouTubers, etc. Of course that's full-blown tin-foil hat.

    GN went to AIBs directly and most have said that the stock was similar to the Turing launch, so no, this was not a paper launch. The issue here is the demand is totally insane. Several retailers all crashed when the cards went on sale. The retailers also said they they received record amounts of traffic during the launch, more than Black Friday. Obviously that would not happen without huge demand. And sure, some of the traffic probably came from bots, too.

    The video is kind of long, 30 minutes, but Steve goes into great detail here. He discusses past launches, and how several big launches this year all sold out super fast. The COVID situation has changed things, as more people are at home.

    But the conclusion is that this is not a paper launch.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310
    edited September 2020

    Everything about this looks legit.  New seller: check.  Stupid round bid: check. Pre-order: check.

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  • evacyn said:

    Reports are that the scalpers used bots to buy the entire stock within seconds of the stores going live.

    Others are speculating that it was a "paper" launch and that there was no real stock available anywhere outside of the review cards sent to the YouTubers, etc. Of course that's full-blown tin-foil hat.

    GN went to AIBs directly and most have said that the stock was similar to the Turing launch, so no, this was not a paper launch. The issue here is the demand is totally insane. Several retailers all crashed when the cards went on sale. The retailers also said they they received record amounts of traffic during the launch, more than Black Friday. Obviously that would not happen without huge demand. And sure, some of the traffic probably came from bots, too.

    The video is kind of long, 30 minutes, but Steve goes into great detail here. He discusses past launches, and how several big launches this year all sold out super fast. The COVID situation has changed things, as more people are at home.

    But the conclusion is that this is not a paper launch.

    I checked with someone I know who works at the local Microcenter. They got more than they got for the launch of Turing. They had a parking lot full of people more than one hour before opening, they started giving out numbers one hour before. They had sold out before the store opened and that was with a one per customer rule.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    evacyn said:

    Reports are that the scalpers used bots to buy the entire stock within seconds of the stores going live.

    Others are speculating that it was a "paper" launch and that there was no real stock available anywhere outside of the review cards sent to the YouTubers, etc. Of course that's full-blown tin-foil hat.

    GN went to AIBs directly and most have said that the stock was similar to the Turing launch, so no, this was not a paper launch. The issue here is the demand is totally insane. Several retailers all crashed when the cards went on sale. The retailers also said they they received record amounts of traffic during the launch, more than Black Friday. Obviously that would not happen without huge demand. And sure, some of the traffic probably came from bots, too.

    The video is kind of long, 30 minutes, but Steve goes into great detail here. He discusses past launches, and how several big launches this year all sold out super fast. The COVID situation has changed things, as more people are at home.

    But the conclusion is that this is not a paper launch.

    I checked with someone I know who works at the local Microcenter. They got more than they got for the launch of Turing. They had a parking lot full of people more than one hour before opening, they started giving out numbers one hour before. They had sold out before the store opened and that was with a one per customer rule.

    This is what is different than before. You don't typically have so many people camping out for the launch of a PC part. For gaming consoles, yes, that has been routine for years. I waited in line for a Sega Dreamcast! HA! But GPUs? That is pretty unprecedented. You often see a few of the diehards at any such launch, but not a parking lot full of them. This really illustrates the incredible demand for these cards.

    If anything, this tells us one thing: PC gaming is bigger than ever before.

    Also, with how the websites crashed and then showed no stock before many could even place an order, this also tells me that buying these GPU in person at a physical store may have been the way to go. At least for launch. The scalpers can't game the physical retail system without paying extra people up front to wait for them, and that defeats the purpose of the scalping mark up. So if some people really want one of these cards, driving to the store each day before they open may be the best option.

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