Nvidia Ampere (2080 Ti, etc. replacements) and other rumors...

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  • So just checking how many of yall already snapped a 3080 and did that make Daz render much easier/faster?  :D 

  • Interesting.. Denoiser seems much improved. Can't wait to see it in Daz Studio when the update is released!

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,320

    Google would be bankrupt if every big bucks entity in the world wasn't paying them for their cookie tracking data. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,320

    Well a rumour/purported leak was on my iPhone today and it said the Big Navi 21 is the consumer grade AMD GPU big gun, Radeon 6900XT, so they mean it's meant to take on, in a consumer purchasing sense (which is what they care about), not a raw numbers speed test, the GeForce RTX 3080 10GB, GeForce RTX 3090 24GB, GeForce RTX 3080 20GB, and as luck would have it thanks to nVidia's pricing policies, even the GeForce RTX 3070 8GB because they've priced the 3070 at an expensive $499 too.

    It takes those on in raw speed and is a good compromise on VRAM at 16GB but the MSRP price is really the thing that will have folks seriously thinking to switch at $499 for a GPU as fast as the RTX 3090 and with 2/3rds the VRAM at 16GB (GDDR6 it said).

    The AMD SW stack is lacking though. crying

  • It may seems simple but it is far from it. Otherwise Google wouldn't have choked when they launched Stadia. And Nvidia wouldn't have choked 3 separate times when they've tried launching these sorts of things.

     

    Yeah I mean it's not quite there yet for sure. Stadia is just dead in the water not mainly for technical reasons though, it's just a business model that is too much of a bad deal compared to the other offerings. Geforce Now is a way  more reasonable where you get to play the games you already bought on Steam. Because of that though they are running into some resistance from game publishers because they'd rather see people having to buy the game again. Still though I don't see much future for Stadia, even less now that MS has this insane Gamepass deal and are also working on game streaming with project xCloud. They are also throwing around 25 bucks a month offer of getting an XBox & Gamepass at no upfront cost. That's how much they want you to get your games from them this time around! All this leaves Stadia just nowhere.

    I have a three month GamePass from buying my CPU, there are very few games of interest and - given that it is going to take months to complete the one that a) works and b) is of interest the whole thing looks like poor value (as would be true of any other monthly fee approach). I guess if people want to switch games often and not come back it makes sense but it doesn't seem like soemthing with a wide appeal, unless I am missing something.

  • GolaMGolaM Posts: 109

    I have a three month GamePass from buying my CPU, there are very few games of interest and - given that it is going to take months to complete the one that a) works and b) is of interest the whole thing looks like poor value (as would be true of any other monthly fee approach). I guess if people want to switch games often and not come back it makes sense but it doesn't seem like soemthing with a wide appeal, unless I am missing something.

    I got three years of gamepass back when you could convert the cheap Live sub to it, so it's totally worth it. At full price I'd have to reevaluate it.
    One thing gamepass does for me is help me find games that i would not have played/bought otherwise. And i found some extremely great gems in there.

  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,636
    edited September 2020

    Well a rumour/purported leak was on my iPhone today and it said the Big Navi 21 is the consumer grade AMD GPU big gun, Radeon 6900XT, so they mean it's meant to take on, in a consumer purchasing sense (which is what they care about), not a raw numbers speed test, the GeForce RTX 3080 10GB, GeForce RTX 3090 24GB, GeForce RTX 3080 20GB, and as luck would have it thanks to nVidia's pricing policies, even the GeForce RTX 3070 8GB because they've priced the 3070 at an expensive $499 too.

    It takes those on in raw speed and is a good compromise on VRAM at 16GB but the MSRP price is really the thing that will have folks seriously thinking to switch at $499 for a GPU as fast as the RTX 3090 and with 2/3rds the VRAM at 16GB (GDDR6 it said).

    The AMD SW stack is lacking though. crying

    But it doesn't support Cuda, so it's a no-go for me. And to be clear, I'm not just talking about rendering in Iray. Cuda is dominant in the AI accelerator space due to its library support for major AI frameworks and an active developer base that has continued to grow over the years.

    - Greg

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  • Sadly, it looks like all the 3090's sold out in under a minute on NVidia's website this morning (I know because I was refreshing the webpage every minute and never saw a "Buy Now" button until it showed Out of Stock at 9:01 am eastern time).  Since 3rd party site are offering the card at markup ($1700-1800 US) I wonder if it will ever be possible to buy a 3090 at the $1500 MSRP since the ordinary person had no chance to get one this morning.  I wonder if this could be a case of marketing fraud (offer an item at a MSRP but have such a low stock that it sells out instantly and never offer it again).  I ran into this issue when the 2080Ti's were out (they were never available at MSRP), which is why I didn't upgrade then.  Looks like I will have to wait and see if 3090's become available in a few weeks or months time or have to pay the 3rd party markup price, which is a shame because I was interested in a card with 24 GB VRAM that would perform 2-2.5x faster in DS than my current card for $1000 less than the Titan RTX.

    Also, it looks like there will need to be an update to DS to have the 3080/3090 work with IRAY, based on some threads I've seen elsewhere on this forum.  Hopefully Daz will get the update out quickly for those fortunate enough to obtain a 3080 in the first batch of cards.

  • AalaAala Posts: 140

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

  • Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

  • AalaAala Posts: 140
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

    2.7 slot.

    It should be barely enough for a 3-slot spacing config, but I do plan to get one of those motherboards with 4 PCIe slots and put it on a 4 slot spacing configuration. I even bought a 4-slot NVlink connector in expectation of that.

    Except that now I'm realizing the 3090 has a different kind of a NVlink connection (it's shorter I think, definitely looks different). Damn it.

  • Aala said:
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

    2.7 slot.

    It should be barely enough for a 3-slot spacing config, but I do plan to get one of those motherboards with 4 PCIe slots and put it on a 4 slot spacing configuration. I even bought a 4-slot NVlink connector in expectation of that.

    Except that now I'm realizing the 3090 has a different kind of a NVlink connection (it's shorter I think, definitely looks different). Damn it.

    Candidly - I would let the dust settle.. Iray isn't even supporting the 3xxx series yet.  There is so much to come out about these new cards.

  • AalaAala Posts: 140
    Aala said:
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

    2.7 slot.

    It should be barely enough for a 3-slot spacing config, but I do plan to get one of those motherboards with 4 PCIe slots and put it on a 4 slot spacing configuration. I even bought a 4-slot NVlink connector in expectation of that.

    Except that now I'm realizing the 3090 has a different kind of a NVlink connection (it's shorter I think, definitely looks different). Damn it.

    Candidly - I would let the dust settle.. Iray isn't even supporting the 3xxx series yet.  There is so much to come out about these new cards.

    That's true, but I won't be getting the cards until November anyway. Hopefully Daz3d aren't stupid enough to delay support for Ampere until after November.

  • Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    Yes. It's an entirely different one.

  • Not directly applicable to us but oh man did Nvidia annoy Tech Jebus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,501
    edited September 2020
    Aala said:
    Aala said:
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

    2.7 slot.

    It should be barely enough for a 3-slot spacing config, but I do plan to get one of those motherboards with 4 PCIe slots and put it on a 4 slot spacing configuration. I even bought a 4-slot NVlink connector in expectation of that.

    Except that now I'm realizing the 3090 has a different kind of a NVlink connection (it's shorter I think, definitely looks different). Damn it.

    Candidly - I would let the dust settle.. Iray isn't even supporting the 3xxx series yet.  There is so much to come out about these new cards.

    That's true, but I won't be getting the cards until November anyway. Hopefully Daz3d aren't stupid enough to delay support for Ampere until after November.

    I don't think there's a 'delay for support'. It needs to obviously be tested/integrated, but I assume there is a 'order of operations' that needs to happen first.

    Post edited by Daz Jack Tomalin on
  • AalaAala Posts: 140
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    Yes. It's an entirely different one.

    Yes, looks like it unfortunately. If it's 2x the performance of the 2080 Ti on Iray, I might just stick with one until next gen then.

     

     

    Aala said:
    Aala said:
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    I dont know - but - what slot size are they? The 3090's are whoppers.. if you're running on water, then I guess it's not an issue (but that doesn't answer your question.. sorry..)

    2.7 slot.

    It should be barely enough for a 3-slot spacing config, but I do plan to get one of those motherboards with 4 PCIe slots and put it on a 4 slot spacing configuration. I even bought a 4-slot NVlink connector in expectation of that.

    Except that now I'm realizing the 3090 has a different kind of a NVlink connection (it's shorter I think, definitely looks different). Damn it.

    Candidly - I would let the dust settle.. Iray isn't even supporting the 3xxx series yet.  There is so much to come out about these new cards.

    That's true, but I won't be getting the cards until November anyway. Hopefully Daz3d aren't stupid enough to delay support for Ampere until after November.

    I don't think there's a 'delay for support'. It needs to obviously be tested/integrated, but I assume there is a 'order of operations' that needs to happen first.

    According to the logs, they're already testing it. Iray 2020.1.0 has already implemented Ampere support. Now Daz3d need to release a studio beta with it.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    For those interested, 11:58 (ish) is the start of the Blender Benchmarks - bloody hell.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2020
    Aala said:

    Can someone confirm, because I'm having a bit of a hard time confirming it myself: Does the 3090 have a different NVlink connector compared to the 2000 series? Does that mean that I won't be able to use my current NVlink on my 2080 Ti's the 3090's?

    You're going to struggle; I'd by one and physical test how close it is going to be; plus, one card close to 400W

    Post edited by nicstt on
  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,703

    That blender demo was nuts lol

  • I'm watching Gamers Nexus rip apart the gaming card claims from Nvidia. Will that stop the gamers buying them? Probably not, because 8k dude.
  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    Well it does have the best performance for games so, if money isn't an issue then you can use it for that. Is it good value for money? Nope but many people just don't care.

  • AalaAala Posts: 140
    droidy001 said:
    I'm watching Gamers Nexus rip apart the gaming card claims from Nvidia. Will that stop the gamers buying them? Probably not, because 8k dude.

    This is a great card for people like me who do a lot of work on Daz/Blender and play a decent amount of games on the side. No need for two 2080 Ti's and watch the top card burn.

  • DeathKnightDeathKnight Posts: 98
    edited September 2020

    So just checking how many of yall already snapped a 3080 and did that make Daz render much easier/faster?  :D 

    I got one back on release. Daz hasn't updated Studio with a newer version of Iray that supports Ampere, so no go on rendering yet. As soon as they do I'll post in the rendering benchmark thread.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,257
    kyoto kid said:

    ...online gaming has one issue to deal with, your connection speed and reliability.  Wireless can be affected by weather or saturation in areas like the middle of a city.   Unless you can afford a hard gigabit fibre optic (if it is even available in the area) streaming something as intense as Flight Simulator 2020 could be frustrating. I have 100 mb/s service (mainly for downloading and uploading files) and I still get buffering pauses on YouTube even though with the service I have (full hardwired cable, not wireless) that shouldn't happen.  To just move up to 300mb/s is a significant leap in monthly charge and where I am 1 gb/s service is unavailable.

    Really? You should run some diagnostics on your connection. 100mb/s down is way more than fast enough to watch YT, assuming you're not watching at 4k.

    First run a speed test to see if you're really getting 100 down and likely 10 up (unless you're paying for symmetric and then you should be getting 100 up as well)

    Then ping youtube.com

    I got 9, 9, 11, and 12ms.

    If your pings are way higher than that or you don't get the speed you're paying for its time to call your ISP. 

    If those check out but you still have buffering there are some other things to look into into, your ISP could be throtting YT downloads before the last mile but that would be affecting lots of people. Have you exceeded your data cap? You may not even know you have one the ISP's are pretty sneaky about it but almost everyone has one. If you have they may be throttling your downloads because you cannot be charged for data due to state regulations. If you live in a large apartment building or a subdivision it is possible that the fiber connection you share is in heavy enough use that you aren't able to use your full bandwidth, but the speed test should detect that. If your installation was shoddy enough there could be corrosion or a loose connection introducing a form of electronic noise interfering with the download, VSWR. You'd have to get a tech out to identify that and correct it.

    ... ran a couple speed tests just here on Daz, and actually exceeding 100 MBPS for downloads.

    My "data cap" is 1.2 TB/month so little danger of exceeding that as I don't do online gaming or regularly stream films or television series.  I wouldn't approach that cap even with the coming PC+ sale (my favourite of all the Daz Sales).  I am wondering if it might not be on YT's end (I don't have their "premium service because it has a paywall) or maybe something with either Chrome or FB as I do watch a few livestream events now and then and I have to keep refreshing every so often when the feed grinds to a halt.(I also clear browser cache before doing so).  Again, I don't stream television programmes or films as those services (like Netflix and HULU) also have paywalls (am on a fixed income here).  I also don't let myself get suckered in by" free access" offers as  they give no warning when they are about to expire and suddenly you are being billed for the service.

    I am in a multi floor/tenant building so wondering of that may have something to do with it.  

  • Aala said:
    droidy001 said:
    I'm watching Gamers Nexus rip apart the gaming card claims from Nvidia. Will that stop the gamers buying them? Probably not, because 8k dude.

    This is a great card for people like me who do a lot of work on Daz/Blender and play a decent amount of games on the side. No need for two 2080 Ti's and watch the top card burn.

    But purely as a gaming card it really doesn't seem worth paying so much more for so little gain.
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,257
    edited September 2020

    Sadly, it looks like all the 3090's sold out in under a minute on NVidia's website this morning (I know because I was refreshing the webpage every minute and never saw a "Buy Now" button until it showed Out of Stock at 9:01 am eastern time).  Since 3rd party site are offering the card at markup ($1700-1800 US) I wonder if it will ever be possible to buy a 3090 at the $1500 MSRP since the ordinary person had no chance to get one this morning.  I wonder if this could be a case of marketing fraud (offer an item at a MSRP but have such a low stock that it sells out instantly and never offer it again).  I ran into this issue when the 2080Ti's were out (they were never available at MSRP), which is why I didn't upgrade then.  Looks like I will have to wait and see if 3090's become available in a few weeks or months time or have to pay the 3rd party markup price, which is a shame because I was interested in a card with 24 GB VRAM that would perform 2-2.5x faster in DS than my current card for $1000 less than the Titan RTX.

    Also, it looks like there will need to be an update to DS to have the 3080/3090 work with IRAY, based on some threads I've seen elsewhere on this forum.  Hopefully Daz will get the update out quickly for those fortunate enough to obtain a 3080 in the first batch of cards.

    ...bugger, wish we got that stimulus cheque we were supposed to receive in August.  

    Newegg today listed several 3090s (some not yet in stock but taking pre-orders), however they are roughly100$ more than the Founders Edition sold directly buy Nvidia.  Still not bad for 24 GB considering the price of an RTX Titan or RTX Quadro 6000.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...online gaming has one issue to deal with, your connection speed and reliability.  Wireless can be affected by weather or saturation in areas like the middle of a city.   Unless you can afford a hard gigabit fibre optic (if it is even available in the area) streaming something as intense as Flight Simulator 2020 could be frustrating. I have 100 mb/s service (mainly for downloading and uploading files) and I still get buffering pauses on YouTube even though with the service I have (full hardwired cable, not wireless) that shouldn't happen.  To just move up to 300mb/s is a significant leap in monthly charge and where I am 1 gb/s service is unavailable.

    Really? You should run some diagnostics on your connection. 100mb/s down is way more than fast enough to watch YT, assuming you're not watching at 4k.

    First run a speed test to see if you're really getting 100 down and likely 10 up (unless you're paying for symmetric and then you should be getting 100 up as well)

    Then ping youtube.com

    I got 9, 9, 11, and 12ms.

    If your pings are way higher than that or you don't get the speed you're paying for its time to call your ISP. 

    If those check out but you still have buffering there are some other things to look into into, your ISP could be throtting YT downloads before the last mile but that would be affecting lots of people. Have you exceeded your data cap? You may not even know you have one the ISP's are pretty sneaky about it but almost everyone has one. If you have they may be throttling your downloads because you cannot be charged for data due to state regulations. If you live in a large apartment building or a subdivision it is possible that the fiber connection you share is in heavy enough use that you aren't able to use your full bandwidth, but the speed test should detect that. If your installation was shoddy enough there could be corrosion or a loose connection introducing a form of electronic noise interfering with the download, VSWR. You'd have to get a tech out to identify that and correct it.

    ... ran a couple speed tests just here on Daz, and actually exceeding 100 MBPS for downloads.

    My "data cap" is 1.2 TB/month so little danger of exceeding that as I don't do online gaming or regularly stream films or television series.  I wouldn't approach that cap even with the coming PC+ sale (my favourite of all the Daz Sales).  I am wondering if it might not be on YT's end (I don't have their "premium service because it has a paywall) or maybe something with either Chrome or FB as I do watch a few livestream events now and then and I have to keep refreshing every so often when the feed grinds to a halt.(I also clear browser cache before doing so).  Again, I don't stream television programmes or films as those services (like Netflix and HULU) also have paywalls (am on a fixed income here).  I also don't let myself get suckered in by" free access" offers as  they give no warning when they are about to expire and suddenly you are being billed for the service.

    I am in a multi floor/tenant building so wondering of that may have something to do with it.  

    speedtest really should catch that. YT is really good about sending content, otherwise everyone would complain. That you have issues with other streams strongly suggests the issue is actually your computer.

    I'd do a round of updates. When was the last time you updated your browser? Your ethernet driver? Do you keep Windows updated? I'd do the whole lot.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,027
    edited September 2020
    kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...online gaming has one issue to deal with, your connection speed and reliability.  Wireless can be affected by weather or saturation in areas like the middle of a city.   Unless you can afford a hard gigabit fibre optic (if it is even available in the area) streaming something as intense as Flight Simulator 2020 could be frustrating. I have 100 mb/s service (mainly for downloading and uploading files) and I still get buffering pauses on YouTube even though with the service I have (full hardwired cable, not wireless) that shouldn't happen.  To just move up to 300mb/s is a significant leap in monthly charge and where I am 1 gb/s service is unavailable.

    Really? You should run some diagnostics on your connection. 100mb/s down is way more than fast enough to watch YT, assuming you're not watching at 4k.

    First run a speed test to see if you're really getting 100 down and likely 10 up (unless you're paying for symmetric and then you should be getting 100 up as well)

    Then ping youtube.com

    I got 9, 9, 11, and 12ms.

    If your pings are way higher than that or you don't get the speed you're paying for its time to call your ISP. 

    If those check out but you still have buffering there are some other things to look into into, your ISP could be throtting YT downloads before the last mile but that would be affecting lots of people. Have you exceeded your data cap? You may not even know you have one the ISP's are pretty sneaky about it but almost everyone has one. If you have they may be throttling your downloads because you cannot be charged for data due to state regulations. If you live in a large apartment building or a subdivision it is possible that the fiber connection you share is in heavy enough use that you aren't able to use your full bandwidth, but the speed test should detect that. If your installation was shoddy enough there could be corrosion or a loose connection introducing a form of electronic noise interfering with the download, VSWR. You'd have to get a tech out to identify that and correct it.

    ... ran a couple speed tests just here on Daz, and actually exceeding 100 MBPS for downloads.

    My "data cap" is 1.2 TB/month so little danger of exceeding that as I don't do online gaming or regularly stream films or television series.  I wouldn't approach that cap even with the coming PC+ sale (my favourite of all the Daz Sales).  I am wondering if it might not be on YT's end (I don't have their "premium service because it has a paywall) or maybe something with either Chrome or FB as I do watch a few livestream events now and then and I have to keep refreshing every so often when the feed grinds to a halt.(I also clear browser cache before doing so).  Again, I don't stream television programmes or films as those services (like Netflix and HULU) also have paywalls (am on a fixed income here).  I also don't let myself get suckered in by" free access" offers as  they give no warning when they are about to expire and suddenly you are being billed for the service.

    I am in a multi floor/tenant building so wondering of that may have something to do with it.  

    @kyoto kid

    I sympathize with you.

    Between the IP, TCP and HTTP headers as well as the data stream itself in every WWW connection your computers make, your ISP knows exactly what kind of media you are downloading, and from where. It is not beyond the realm of possibilities that your ISP throttles just YouTube, just YouTube videos, or even Just YouTube videos in HD.

    That's pretty much what the whole failed Net Neutrality thing was about in the U.S. and now I think ISPs just do it in a more subtle fashion. The fact that you have a data cap at all already means that your ISP is more towards the authoritarian end of the spectrum. Maybe ask what their policy is?

    Post edited by TheMysteryIsThePoint on
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