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I already have a space heater under my desk with both my 2080 Ti's lol. According to HWinfo, top one usually consumes around 220W, bottom one up to 260W. I'm expecting the 3090's to consume about 10% more. I do plan to underclock them though, or at least the top one, otherwise I'll get too much throttling constantly.
You're in for a rude awakening if you think the 3090 will consume only 10% more power than the 2080Ti. The 3090 has a 350W TDP. The 3080 has a 320W TDP and I can confirm it uses this much under heavy load (GPU-Z board power draw readout).
I've posted this somewhere else, but I really feel like AMD has basically every possible advantage this time around. So honestly, AMD *should* win. If they cannot beat Nvidia with all these advantages, they have no excuse. Nvidia has already grabbed a chunk of TSMC 5nm for their next generation Hopper GPUs in a couple of years. So that means AMD will not enjoy this big advantage over Samsung 8nm for long. Nvidia might have a tougher time this generation, but they will be back with a vengeance with Hopper.
Look at all the things AMD should be able to do better than Ampere. Many are thanks to TSMC.
And this is not even everything. But these are the big ones. From our perspective Iray loves those sexy RT cores. But over 2 years after Turing there are still very few games that use it, and yet Nvidia has invested so much on this. Honestly it is kind of a gamble for them. For the long term it may pan out, or it might completely backfire on them. Ultimately Nvidia has left AMD a lot of room to strike back. Even if Nvidia has some higher VRAM cards in Huang's leather jacket, by the time they release it may already be too late, the damage could be done.
Nviida does have a couple big advantages of their own. They have the brand power. They have been on top and unchallenged for so long that it will take time for tides to turn in consumer's minds. Even if AMD blows the doors off Ampere it will still not happen overnight for them. Ryzen is a good example. Ryzen success did not happen right away. It took a couple years for AMD to really begin outselling Intel. But Nvidia is not Intel. Two years from now Hopper should be coming from Nvidia, and like I said that will be on 5nm. So unlike Intel which was stuck on 14 forever, Nvidia will be moving forward.
Nvidia also has Cyberpunk 2077. This might seem silly, but Cyberpunk is one of the most hyped games of all time, and it is launching during a very unique period of time where more people are buying video games than ever before. Plus Cyberpunk 2077 is supposed to be a ray tracing showcase for Nvidia. They are heavily promoting the game and its RTX features. This one game might be what convinces gamers to get RTX cards to experience this game at its fullest potential. Of course, it is possible maybe the ray tracing in Cyberpunk turns out to suck, but I rather think it will be pretty nice. The dark neon city with real reflections everywhere? Man that is going to be sweet.
On the other hand, AMD hasn't really hyped anything very well. They showed a mock RDNA2 GPU in...Fortnite. While Fortnite is the biggest game in the world right now, I just don't think this made sense. You can play Fortnite on mobile devices for crying out loud. People playing Fortnite are not buying the top GPUs. Some competitive gamers may buy high end cards for high frame rates at 1080p, but I don't know if that many are doing so for this game. I don't know, it is just weird how AMD is going about these teases. If they really have something, they need to get this info out there instead of letting Nvidia launch and having all the reviewers gush over how awesome the 3080 is. Even just listing specs would be fine. If reviewers had known that AMD has 16gb GPUs coming, they might have mentioned that more during reviews for 10gb 3080s. Instead, AMD's silence is baffling.
If AMD can't beat Nvidia this fall they may as well pack up and go home. I would like to see them win, for the sake of competition. Can they?
...but unless you are a gamer, what AMD is doing is meaningless to us unless like you've mentioned, Nvidia reacts to it. We are still a niche segment of the GPU market.
If we're looking in our crystal balls, then I'm wondering when the Nvivia only Console will appear (ignore what's gone before), now they've acquired ARM; they can make something much more like the PS5 and X Box (whatever comes next); after all it much be irritating missing out on the massive market that is console.
If it allows all its RAM to be used for rendering, then it is. Even if it doesn't, if it's marketted as a Titan replacement then it is. However: this still allows for Nvidia to pull something out of the hat later. Not that it could be much different, other than RAM
Have they though? I know it's been agreed amongst themselves but..
"The proposed transaction is subject to customary closing conditions, including the receipt of regulatory approvals for the U.K., China, the European Union and the United States. Completion of the transaction is expected to take place in approximately 18 months."
I read a few places that it might come under some scrutiny..so who knows even if it will happen, let alone if Nvidia will get into the console games (who would support it?)..
Ha, well then. We need to wait and see.
Nvidia getting into consoles now is highly unlikely. Game streaming is the future and hardware is going to sell less and less. Hence the move by MS to buy Bethesda to bolster Gamepass. MS doesn't care anymore what platform youu play games on, they just want to sell you the game or the service. They wanna be Netflix for games basically.
I suppose you're right and that I might not be able to make it under 350W. I do have a NZXT G12 Liquid GPU cooler that I might be able to use on one of the cards though. Maybe installing it on the top card will help with thermals much more, if I can possibly fit it on the card.
Nvidia has been trying to sell gamestreaming for 15 years. No one is buying.
Why would I pay a monthly subscription for HW that I don't control? Why should I be subject to someone else's whims as to what is "good enough?" There's a reason I don't own any Apple products.
Nvidia "buying" ARM is a weird thing to have done. ARM is supposed to be a neutral licenser of the IP. Sure it makes some money from that but not all that much that's why Softbank wants to get rid of it. It's not like owning ARM would give them some secret sauce. Anyone can get the ARM IP. The older stuff is100% free and even the newest isn't that expensive until you're selling a lot of units. And even if Nvidia owned ARM they would still have to license the IP and pay the royalties, ARM would remain a separate entity.
Now ARM does have one thing Nvidia does not. Low power know how. Nvidia is going the wrong way on power. ARM CPU's sip juice. That's a major reason ARM is in phones, AMD is in consoles and Nvidia is in neither market. Just think about this, these soon to be released Ryzen/RDNA2 APU's that supposedly comes near a 2080 in graphics performance does it at around 125W (the entire PS5 is 320W). Nvidia cannot come anywhere near that performance at that power budget.
As I understand it, Softbank is selling ARM because it will fetch a good price and it needs cash to clear its debts, rather than because it's a poor investment in itself (though it does appear they are getting less than they paid).
What you want only you can say, but the masses? Convenience, just like Netflix. Buy the game once, or rent it, and play it on any device you have. PC, console, phone. It's inevitable, that's why we see the big guys (except Sony I guess, who are still clinging to the old ways of selling consoles through exclusives) competing to become the Netflix of games. MS especially is hellbent now on not missing out once more as they did with smartphones (lost against Apple and Google) ,search engines (lost against Google), social networking (lost against Facebook/Twitter), video streaming (lost against YouTube/Twitch) , game stores (lost against Steam) etc.
Yep... The future is built for the thinking-impared, and it certainly has no place for any Do It Yourself-relics...
MS is in consoles. They have this thing you might have heard of called the Xbox.
There have been companies trying to be the "netflix" of gaming for 20 years, including Netflix. It doesn't work. I do not get why people can not see reality when it hits them in the face. How badly did Google blow up with Stadi in the last year? You can believe all you want that the tech is here but it isn't. You'd need AWS level investment to do it. And even then you'd get decent service only in the major metro areas. Since no one is going to drop tens of billions into a service like that it won't be happening.
Even if Nvidia wants to build out server farms all over the country it still won't do them any good as long as the ISP's refuse to upgrade the network infrastructure. All that old copper can't handle the load as it is, the pandemic showed that. Until they finally are forced to put fiber in the last mile these sorts of things won't work.
Yup well take it from MS.
They don't realize that by pushing subscription based cloud services, they are alienating themselves from the customers, especially the ones that have been around... The ones asked for advice and help with all things "digital"...
Gamepass is pretty much universally praised by gamers so I doubt that. MS now provides such insane value with Gamepass, it's hard to somehow be alienated by that. Even I currently have a subscription for a ridiculous 4.99 a month. I really only wanted to try MS Flight Simulator but there's so many games on that the value is just insane. And now they will add Bethesda games to their catalog as well. This is very consumer-friendly stuff for once, especially with MS realizing they cannot control the device anymore and putting in effort to let you play your Gamepass games on any device you choose. That's the goal anyway, like I said they wanna be the ones selling you the game or the sub and that's all that counts.
Yes, I was listening to an NPR report saying that the UK government was already not too keen on giving up the Crown Jewels of the UK tech industry and it was a point of national pride rather than purely a regulatory issue. I don't know how much of a difference that makes, but the presenter seemed to imply that it was not necessarily a done deal.
Exactly.
Just saw the online listing for the 3090 at Best Buy. $1499.00, online only.
Maybe there's hope that $1499.00 is just a bit too high for the hardware scalpers to take a chance on, but I'm not holding my breath...
...online gaming has one issue to deal with, your connection speed and reliability. Wireless can be affected by weather or saturation in areas like the middle of a city. Unless you can afford a hard gigabit fibre optic (if it is even available in the area) streaming something as intense as Flight Simulator 2020 could be frustrating. I have 100 mb/s service (mainly for downloading and uploading files) and I still get buffering pauses on YouTube even though with the service I have (full hardwired cable, not wireless) that shouldn't happen. To just move up to 300mb/s is a significant leap in monthly charge and where I am 1 gb/s service is unavailable.
NVidia is confirming the 10%-15% increase from 3080 to 3090 benchmarks at 4K
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-confirms-rtx-3090-performance-10-to-15-faster-than-rtx-3080-in-4k-gaming-limited-supply
What atrocious writing.
Really? You should run some diagnostics on your connection. 100mb/s down is way more than fast enough to watch YT, assuming you're not watching at 4k.
First run a speed test to see if you're really getting 100 down and likely 10 up (unless you're paying for symmetric and then you should be getting 100 up as well)
Then ping youtube.com
I got 9, 9, 11, and 12ms.
If your pings are way higher than that or you don't get the speed you're paying for its time to call your ISP.
If those check out but you still have buffering there are some other things to look into into, your ISP could be throtting YT downloads before the last mile but that would be affecting lots of people. Have you exceeded your data cap? You may not even know you have one the ISP's are pretty sneaky about it but almost everyone has one. If you have they may be throttling your downloads because you cannot be charged for data due to state regulations. If you live in a large apartment building or a subdivision it is possible that the fiber connection you share is in heavy enough use that you aren't able to use your full bandwidth, but the speed test should detect that. If your installation was shoddy enough there could be corrosion or a loose connection introducing a form of electronic noise interfering with the download, VSWR. You'd have to get a tech out to identify that and correct it.
I don't think game streaming even requires that much bandwidth by the way. All that is being sent is an image of a certain resolution 30, 60 or eventually 120+ times a second. And your controller input needs to be sent back. Netflix already streams movies at 4k and 24 or 50 "fps" or whatever the source material demands.
The bigger challenge there is latency I think.
Forgot sound of course, that needs to be sent too but same for movies.
Looks like the new cards are having teething problems...
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-users-report-crashes-black-screens-during-gaming/
Yet another reason why I like to hold off at launch, and wait a couple of months until issues like these get resolved.
It may seems simple but it is far from it. Otherwise Google wouldn't have choked when they launched Stadia. And Nvidia wouldn't have choked 3 separate times when they've tried launching these sorts of things.
Yeah I mean it's not quite there yet for sure. Stadia is just dead in the water not mainly for technical reasons though, it's just a business model that is too much of a bad deal compared to the other offerings. Geforce Now is a way more reasonable where you get to play the games you already bought on Steam. Because of that though they are running into some resistance from game publishers because they'd rather see people having to buy the game again. Still though I don't see much future for Stadia, even less now that MS has this insane Gamepass deal and are also working on game streaming with project xCloud. They are also throwing around 25 bucks a month offer of getting an XBox & Gamepass at no upfront cost. That's how much they want you to get your games from them this time around! All this leaves Stadia just nowhere.
There are always reports of that sort of thing with every launch. It's probably just driver issues with specific games.
Fwiwi Tensor cores are very much multi-purpose. Each Turing era Tensor core automatically switches over to being the equivalent of 128 dedicated FP16 cores when Tensor operations aren't being called for. A design feature carefully glossed over by Nvidia up until the release of the RT/Tensor core-less TU116 die found in the GTX 1660. Which needed to include an additional 128 FP16 cores per SM to give equivalent performance to its Turing siblings in non-Tensor specific workloads (props to anandtech for being pretty much the only ones out there to notice this.)