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No. 3000 series support still hasn't worked its way it has now! into the DS beta release.
For everyone seeing a conspiracy in the scarcity of 30X0 cards, there's something to keep in mind that has nothing specifically to do with Nvidia.
U.S. PC Market Has Best Quarter in a Decade on Pandemic Demand
Damn it, I love a good conspiracy!
That's talking about prebuilt PC's, chromebooks and craptops, people who buy those are a different crowd than people who are building PC's for gaming/graphic works.
So your argument is that people are spending money on pre-builts, but not on higher end systems because? Bloomberg is a finance website. Pre-builts form the majority of PC sales, so that's why the article is talking about them specifically, and not graphics cards very few people care about.
Oh, there's more to it.
Say, the AMD equivalent to that 3070 I mentioned has 10GB VRAMM. Now, NVIDIA could beat that easily with the rumoured 3070 with 16GB. But, VRAM costs money! Meaning, NVIDIA could still get away with a 12GB variant and still beat the AMD option. I'm pretty sure that making a 12 GB variant instead of a 16GB variant would be a relatively small change. From all the rumours we've heard everywhere, it's fairly probable that NVIDIA did indeed test a 16GB variant. But, that doesn't mean that will be the variant they're going for. All they need to do, is beat the competition with at as little cost as possible. They probably have several options prepared already to respond to AMD, the question to them is just to decide what option to go with. They could decide on that 16GB card now, or wait a few weeks and gain the knowledge that a card that's cheaper to produce but can be sold at a similar price is still good enough.
Daz just updated the public beta to 4.12.2.51 with Iray Ampere support. Results are in the benchmark thread for my 3080.
2 minutes 38.53 seconds for the scene.
Is there a link? Sorry I am not sure where to access it. If you meant it's even avalible.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341006/daz-studio-pro-beta-version-4-12-2-51-updated/p1
You can download the new beta with DIM (and probably DazCentral).
Yeah I opened my DIM and I'm just not seeing it anywhere.
Did you "purchase" the beta from the store? If you did, check the filters in DIM and make sure they're set to display Public Builds.
Added the 3080 into the mix.
Wow. Very fast. However, many problems opening up old files.
3080 20GB in December for $849 - $999 according to this guy who's often predicting correctly (at 3:30).
AMD is apparently strongly recommending some anti-scalper measures for their 5000 CPU and 6000 GPU launches to slow them down a bit...
Article:
https://wccftech.com/amd-preps-for-radeon-rx-6000-gpu-ryzen-5000-cpu-launch-issues-guidelines-to-retailers/
Red Gaming Tech Video referenced in article:
He talks about AMD's letter at the 9 minute mark.
I guess we'll see how many retailers follow AMD's guidelines, and how effective they will be...
Reasonably reliable reports are that Nvidia is dumping Samsung 8nm for TSMC 7nm
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75679/nvidia-will-shift-over-to-tsmc-for-new-7nm-ampere-gpus-in-2021/index.html
Also some of the AIB's have updated their BIOS and increased their power budgets and their PSU recommendations. If you're trying to get by on a 2x 8 pin card you might want to look into undervolting.
Are they going to redesign, or just use the same design on a smaller process? One is a bigger deal than the other, but either way, that's a pretty big deal, is it not?
Also, I am wondering how much of AMD's greatness is RDNA2 and how much is the better process.
I really hope AMD really challenges Nvidia in price to performance with RDNA2, I will off course only buy Nvidia due to my Cuda needs. But Nvidia really do a butt kicking at this point.
Sounds very much like something didn't work the way it was supposed to... Just proves the point "Do not buy before others have actually tried it first in real life environments and tasks"
Nvidia is not saying.
That they AIB's are pushing the power numbers up seems to say that the process has some issues but who really knows until more cards get into the wild.
AMD can recommend all they want, that does not mean the retailers will follow these guidelines. I would hope they would, but I am not holding my breath, and besides, many scalpers have ways to circumvent every measure listed here. But these can certainly help make it harder for scalpers. I still think AMD sells out within minutes of launch regardless. The hype is too strong, and a number of people who didn't get a 3080 will be trying their luck with AMD.
The issue with this is that odds are Nvidia cannot legally do this. When Tom spoke to Daniel Nenni, a man with 30+ years in the semiconductor industry, they discussed this very topic. You cannot simply walk away and use the same design with another fab. And it is weird that Tom would report this after having done this interview, so Tom must have some trusted sources telling him this. But I think the sources are wrong, at least partially.
So Nvidia cannot simply take Ampere over to TSMC. They are almost certainly contracted to Samsung. But more over, they also cannot just port a design for 8nm over to 7nm, it just does not work that way. These fabs are completely different and not compatible. (Again, this was discussed at length with Nenni). Yes, Nvidia has the A100 at TSMC, but this chip is not really the same Ampere used in the 3000 series at all. A100 doesn't even have ray tracing cores. It is next gen Volta, like Ampere is next gen Turing. Why they called A100 "Ampere", I don't know, it must be marketing. But the point A100 is different enough to not be an issue to conflict with Samsung.
Thus if Nvidia is working on something with TSMC...it is NOT the same Ampere. This would be something different. They may just move ahead with Hopper, which is rumored to be next in line. If they do try to retool Ampere, it will have to be different no matter what, so at that point, why not call it something else entirely? After all, if Ampere is a tarnished brand, it would make logical sense to just call this something else. Another thing, this process is time consuming, so releasing a refresh that fast would be difficult, unless...
Nvidia is going back to something they had already designed. Remember how rumors kept going back and forth between 7nm and 8nm? Not only did rumors waffle on the fab, but the leaked performance changed, too. I believe that Nvidia had some kind of Ampere like GPU in design for TSMC before betting on Samsung, and may have even had prototypes which lead to those old leaks. What they are working on here might not be a refresh...it might be the original design they had for Ampere. If true, then this would give them a head start on it, so this move would be finishing that original design. It is not a "port" at all.
I suppose there is the possibility that Samsung's deal with Nvidia provides a backdoor way out for Nvidia if they become unhappy with the results. We need to remember that in this deal, Samsung needed Nvidia more than Nvidia needed Samsung. So Nvidia almost certainly leveraged this fact.
One thing is for certain...I doubt Nvidia will ever work with Samsung again. Samsung is just too far behind TSMC, and the results speak for themselves. Honestly, I think that is bad for the industry. Having TSMC totally dominate the fab process still leaves us with a potential monopoly in the industry. Everybody...even the big and mighty Intel...has to bow to TSMC now. And this battle between AMD, Intel, and Nvidia is largely coming down to TSMC. While AMD has made clear and obvious strides in their CPUs and upcoming GPUs, we need to be honest here...TSMC is the biggest reason why AMD caught up to Intel, and why they might actually catch up to Nvidia. I truly believe that Ampere on TSMC would have been a lot better in pretty much every way, and thus AMD would never have stood a chance like they do right now. We'll find out if this rumored "Ampere on TSMC" pans out. Even Intel is caving in, and they are going to use TSMC for some of their stuff. But this is bad, because TSMC has raised their prices, that is the main reason why Nvidia went to Samsung in the first place! Frankly, we needed Samsung to be better than this, but now Samsung will probably not get any more major players for large chips. At least it does give AMD the chance to compete with Nvidia.
There is a lot more to a microarchitecture than the RT cores. While that may matter a great deal to the iRay/DS community it is actually a relatively small part of the chips. So that not being on the TSMC version does not somehow not make them not Ampere. Further we do not even know how the RT cores are missing from the A100. This is Nvidia after all. They could simply be fused off or not enabled or something. Until someone delids one of these chips and puts it under a microscope no one will be sure and at the price these things cost that will be a while (until one fails out of warranty I'd assume).
Yes, we need other fabs than TSMC but this is cyclic. TSMC has a hit but they may miss badly at 5nm. GlobalFoundries could pull their head out of their nether regions at almost any moment. With them cross licensing patents with TSMC they could in theory get one of their fabs switched over to 7nm in reasonably short order. Intel could figure their 10nm out, they've only been at it for 5 years at this point. or they could jump to their own next lower node, 8nm IIRC, which would be roughly TSMC's 5nm. Samsung messing up getting into the market isn't the end of the world, not unless Intel and GF fail as well.
Hehe, and now we have rumours that rumoured 3080 20GB version is cancelled ( https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb ). This is really getting insane, when sources are speculating if a card that's never even been confirmed is cancelled. As a related note, it would be fun to know the reason for cancelling this imaginery card, like is there a global shortage of VRAMs or did Nvidia got info how good/bad AMD's big navi is going to be. Like did they just give up for this generation and wait for next year with TSMC because big navi is too good, or is it so bad they don't fear the competition? That extra 6GB with Big navi is probably not going to make a big difference in gaming, but people tend to like bigger numbers and "future proofing" their investment, so if Nvidia does nothing, they are probably going to lose some sales.
Well, it's not even like they are close to really launching the 3080/3090's properly yet.. so I guess others won't be launched until they begin to meet any sort of real demand on the others
Those rumoured cards didn't make any sense, when they have the 3090 that's selling like hotcakes.
Well those hot-cakes look nice but just look at those muffins. Additional Vram serves the big scene people and additional cores keeps the speed-people happy.
If you can't "do-stuff" with 10GB of VRAM you're barking up the wrong tree or not optimizing your scenes enough.
How can something not anounced be cancelled?
Internally? I'd wait for the Moore's Law Is Dead dude to confirm this though. He just recently confirmed the opposite and even revealed the price. But things can certainly change for various reasons. Shortages etc.
The gap between 10GB and 24GB is just too big to be left without anything in between, although we may have to wait until next year if these rumors have any truth in them.