Wait for the RTX 3080 20GB / 3090 or go for a Titan RTX?

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  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975
    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.
  • Gr00vusGr00vus Posts: 372

    Can you please ellaborate on what you mean by "1 daisy chain"? I don't understand what that means in this context. 

    evacyn said:

    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

    Noah LGP said:

    windli3356 said:

    Titan RTX ($2,500) seems to be as good as a RTX 3070 ($500)

    https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-vs-nvidia-titan-rtx/

    As good in gaming performance? yes, but 8G ram is kind irreavlent if you do rendering work.  RTX titan was $1200 more expensive than 2080TI and got identical or wrose performance in gaming, but still sold a ton due to massive Vram capacity  

    24G vRam for $1500 is actually a good deal consider there never was any GPU with such vram capacity sold under $2k.  

    I purchased 2 RTX3070 , the scenes don't use more than 4 GB of VRAM for each, 24 GB would be useless in my case

    ...interesting, I have scenes that easily exceed 9 GB bordering on even challenging a 3080.  I still have not yet embarked on gallery level large resolution images for printing, which easily would even exceed the Titan-X I have. So the next step up would either be a 16 GB card,  however according to TechPowerUp and other sources, Nvidia has cancelled plans for a 16 GB 3070 and 20 GB 3080,  A 12 GB 3080 Ti is rumoured for release in January but that is basically it. 

    So to exceed the 12 GB barrier it means either going with an RTX Quadro 5000 with 16 GB for around 2,500$ or the 24 GB RTX 3090 for 1,000$ less. 

    Nvidia also dropped NVLInk compatibility from all consumer RTX cards save for the 3090.

  • johnjohn808johnjohn808 Posts: 179
    edited December 2020
    One of my teachers (a legendary artist in my genere) once told me that no matter how much power and vram you have, you will always want more. It's part of growing as an artist. But dont chase the trends.... "Make due with what you have, and blow people's minds."
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  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975
    Gr00vus said:

    Can you please ellaborate on what you mean by "1 daisy chain"? I don't understand what that means in this context. 

    evacyn said:

    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.

    When installing a 3080/3090, you need to have separate cables to the 8 pin connectors on the card. One cable with two connectors (daisy chain) will cause massive issues. You can see in the diagram here: https://abload.de/img/4veuohl1sfxjbfjt1017nvtje8.jpg
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

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  • evacyn said:

    Gr00vus said:

    Can you please ellaborate on what you mean by "1 daisy chain"? I don't understand what that means in this context. 

    evacyn said:

    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.

    When installing a 3080/3090, you need to have separate cables to the 8 pin connectors on the card. One cable with two connectors (daisy chain) will cause massive issues. You can see in the diagram here: https://abload.de/img/4veuohl1sfxjbfjt1017nvtje8.jpg

    No, it won't, assuming the PSU is up to spec. Please don't tell people stuff like this that isn't true.

    People with FE 3090's, not sure about 3080's, have been having trouble because the Nvidia 12 pin cannot deliver enough power to actually power the card. 

    Also learn what daisy chain means.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2020
    double post
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  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    evacyn said:

    Gr00vus said:

    Can you please ellaborate on what you mean by "1 daisy chain"? I don't understand what that means in this context. 

    evacyn said:

    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.

    When installing a 3080/3090, you need to have separate cables to the 8 pin connectors on the card. One cable with two connectors (daisy chain) will cause massive issues. You can see in the diagram here: https://abload.de/img/4veuohl1sfxjbfjt1017nvtje8.jpg

    No, it won't, assuming the PSU is up to spec. Please don't tell people stuff like this that isn't true.

    People with FE 3090's, not sure about 3080's, have been having trouble because the Nvidia 12 pin cannot deliver enough power to actually power the card. 

    Also learn what daisy chain means.

    lol okay have fun with that.
  • evacyn said:

    kenshaw011267 said:

    evacyn said:

    Gr00vus said:

    Can you please ellaborate on what you mean by "1 daisy chain"? I don't understand what that means in this context. 

    evacyn said:

    A lot of people having issues with CTDs and reboots are using 1 daisy chain to connect the 2x8 pin on the card. My 3090 came with a warning about this but people keep doing it.

    When installing a 3080/3090, you need to have separate cables to the 8 pin connectors on the card. One cable with two connectors (daisy chain) will cause massive issues. You can see in the diagram here: https://abload.de/img/4veuohl1sfxjbfjt1017nvtje8.jpg

    No, it won't, assuming the PSU is up to spec. Please don't tell people stuff like this that isn't true.

    People with FE 3090's, not sure about 3080's, have been having trouble because the Nvidia 12 pin cannot deliver enough power to actually power the card. 

    Also learn what daisy chain means.

    lol okay have fun with that.

    Then you can present a reputable source for this then. It'd be particularly useful if it did not include the term daisy chain since you misused it. 

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    Note that Nvidia suggests using separate 8-pin connectors plugged into your power supply, rather than using a single PSU cable with a pair of connections daisy-chained on the business end.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/3575494/do-you-need-a-new-power-supply-for-nvidias-geforce-rtx-3080.html

    And the Nvidia FE requirements sheet showing that you need two dedicated 8-pin connectors.

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    If you don't believe me, that's fine - I'm not interested in disputing GPU info on this forum.

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    Awesome - good for you. I'll get my info from nVidia.

  • Stop chopsing haha If you are patient then the miners and the scalpers and the impatient people will iron out all the bugs. Then wait for a sale. In the meantime, what we have should work just fine.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2020

    Seasonic tool recommend a 1100W PSU in my case.

    https://seasonic.com/wattage-calculator
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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Latest rumour is that the 3080 ti will only have 12 GB VRAM.

     

  • Marble
    Yeah... I saw that too... bummer.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    Who would buy that though? I guess it depends on the price but it seems to me this wouldn't be different enough to 3080. Maybe with 16gb.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Have they done the rumored change in memorychip suppliers?

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    bluejaunte said:

    Who would buy that though? I guess it depends on the price but it seems to me this wouldn't be different enough to 3080. Maybe with 16gb.

    I was pretty downcast at the talk of the 3080ti being only 12GB but then I didn't think I could stretch my budget to one of those anyway. As it happened, I was grumbling about it to my son who kindly helped me out with the difference between the price of a 3070 (my budget) and a 3090 so I have just taken delivery of a PNY RTX 3090 (the cheapest available here). Can't tell you how happy he has made me.

    So my first comparison test suggests that a render that was taking 5 minutes on my old 1070 is now taking 2 minutes (not very impressive) but a render that took over an hour a couple of days ago finished in 6 minutes on the 3090 just now. Very impressive. And I have 24 GB VRAM. Over the moon. 

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    marble said:

    bluejaunte said:

    Who would buy that though? I guess it depends on the price but it seems to me this wouldn't be different enough to 3080. Maybe with 16gb.

    I was pretty downcast at the talk of the 3080ti being only 12GB but then I didn't think I could stretch my budget to one of those anyway. As it happened, I was grumbling about it to my son who kindly helped me out with the difference between the price of a 3070 (my budget) and a 3090 so I have just taken delivery of a PNY RTX 3090 (the cheapest available here). Can't tell you how happy he has made me.

    So my first comparison test suggests that a render that was taking 5 minutes on my old 1070 is now taking 2 minutes (not very impressive) but a render that took over an hour a couple of days ago finished in 6 minutes on the 3090 just now. Very impressive. And I have 24 GB VRAM. Over the moon. 

    Ha, nice. Gratslaugh

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    marble said:

    bluejaunte said:

    Who would buy that though? I guess it depends on the price but it seems to me this wouldn't be different enough to 3080. Maybe with 16gb.

    I was pretty downcast at the talk of the 3080ti being only 12GB but then I didn't think I could stretch my budget to one of those anyway. As it happened, I was grumbling about it to my son who kindly helped me out with the difference between the price of a 3070 (my budget) and a 3090 so I have just taken delivery of a PNY RTX 3090 (the cheapest available here). Can't tell you how happy he has made me.

    So my first comparison test suggests that a render that was taking 5 minutes on my old 1070 is now taking 2 minutes (not very impressive) but a render that took over an hour a couple of days ago finished in 6 minutes on the 3090 just now. Very impressive. And I have 24 GB VRAM. Over the moon. 

    About damn time!! Congratulations!!! 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

    ...hmm, seems all the hype was smoke again. 

    Saving up for an RTX A5000. In the end it probably will cost about as much as a 3090 from a scalper, but I'll actually be able to get it direct from Nvidia or PNY. Same GPU chip same VRAM, NVLInk compatible, true, fewer cores but then I'm not into gaming anyway and it draws 120 w less.  The other nice part, I can fit two of them in my case.

  • Congrats Marble!

    Who had it in stock?  I am trying to hunt down a low end 3090 myself... 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,316
    edited February 2021

    By the time any of that is actually on the shelves available to me you can bet it's but spring or summer and then we are getting close to the next shrinking of the dies for the next set of video cards so nothing more than a 3080 at $699 MSRP or even doing without until the next video card release with die shrinks.

    Rendering is just not that riveting to jump through those ridiculous hoops.

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Chumly said:

    Congrats Marble!

    Who had it in stock?  I am trying to hunt down a low end 3090 myself... 

    Well, I live in New Zealnd and we have stock on the shelves (once again, NZ is the place to be these days ;) ). Anyhow, the price was reasonable considering the outrageous prices I've seen touted about from scalpers online. AT present exchange rates it was about US$ 2000. Somewhat above the MSRP but we residents of the world outside of the USA are used to paying a premium (though if anyone, anywhere, can get a GPU at MSRP I will be amazed). 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Kevin Sanderson said:

     

    marble said:

    bluejaunte said:

    Who would buy that though? I guess it depends on the price but it seems to me this wouldn't be different enough to 3080. Maybe with 16gb.

    I was pretty downcast at the talk of the 3080ti being only 12GB but then I didn't think I could stretch my budget to one of those anyway. As it happened, I was grumbling about it to my son who kindly helped me out with the difference between the price of a 3070 (my budget) and a 3090 so I have just taken delivery of a PNY RTX 3090 (the cheapest available here). Can't tell you how happy he has made me.

    So my first comparison test suggests that a render that was taking 5 minutes on my old 1070 is now taking 2 minutes (not very impressive) but a render that took over an hour a couple of days ago finished in 6 minutes on the 3090 just now. Very impressive. And I have 24 GB VRAM. Over the moon. 

    About damn time!! Congratulations!!! 

    Yes indeed - I was afraid that age might overtake my ability to work with this software before I got my hands on something with reasonable power and speed.

    Thanks all for the congrats. 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,402
    edited February 2021

    nm

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  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,128

    Ignoring, for now, the money question: I built my first system about two years ago with an RTX 2080.  If I purchase a 3090, can I just drop it in place?  Will I need to up my power supply?

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited February 2021

    Ostadan said:

    Ignoring, for now, the money question: I built my first system about two years ago with an RTX 2080.  If I purchase a 3090, can I just drop it in place?  Will I need to up my power supply?

    No idea.

    No idea.

    How would we?

    Have you space for it?

    Does your PSU have enough capacity? Get decent advice.

    Are you replacing or adding it?

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Ostadan said:

    Ignoring, for now, the money question: I built my first system about two years ago with an RTX 2080.  If I purchase a 3090, can I just drop it in place?  Will I need to up my power supply?

    Things to look for ...

    1. Overall size of the board. They are surprisingly different in size. If you have a cramped case interior, the card might be too long (the one I bought is significantly shorter than many others). Also the number of slots it occupies is a consideration.

    2. PSU - generally the recommendation is 750W. I've seen claims here that they need 1000W but mine is 850W and I watch the temperatures, etc. and all seems ok so far. I have not seen it go over 73 deg.

    3. Heat - look at the cooling - especially if you have a case without many fans. Again, mine seems fairly stable in operation and it is mid summer here in NZ. I have a case with fans top and back with plenty of air vents in the side panels.

     

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