Genres You'd Like to See in the Store?

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    richardandtracy said:

    LGBTQ etc: No. LGBTQ people are ordinary people, not a category. To ghettoise by category is to reverse all the efforts towards acceptance in recent years.

     This.  So much.  That would be as silly as creating "Hot" and "Not" categories for characters.  I'm not crazy about segregating by ethnicity, either.

    I don't use genres for reasons already provided by others.  Until tagging is improved, I won't.

    What we need is to be able to split out

    • Figures
    • Outfits/Clothes
    • Hair
    • Tutorials
    • Poses/Expressions
    • Utilities
    • Environments/Props
  • srieschsriesch Posts: 4,241
    • First, do you find genres helpful and do you use them?

     I rarely find the current ones helpful and almost never use them.  I usually find products I want by monitoring the new releases or sales, and if I'm searching for something specific I usually google it, try a few random keywords in the store and if that fails, beg for help in the forums.  Should the item happen to fit nicely within a single genre and returns a lot of results I might select that to try to weed out results.  Any new genres that get added would likely be used in the exact same somewhat infrequent way.

    • Second, would you find it helpful to have the following genres (they may be labeled differently if selected), please let me know which 1 or 2 you would find most helpful:
      • Black Characters & Culture
      • Latin Characters & Culture
      • Indian Characters & Culture
      • LGBTQ Characters & Culture
      • Mediterranean or Ancient Greece

     I personally would not find any of these useful, but don't object to their inclusion.  In the past I likely would have found them helpful once or twice when first filling my runtime and not being able to find a good selection.  Be aware the first three might generate some flak about why every other race isn't in the list, even if they are useful for those who are looking for those specific three.

     

    • Third, any genres we are missing that you'd like to see?

     There are a number of other search filters I would like to see.  Like the last one "staff picks" in the Genre dropdown they aren't actually genres, but just flat out useful filters, and perhaps would benefit from a new column dropdown.  Some of the obvious ones would be:

    shaders            (probably would have been the #1 most useful filter to have had over the years.  I'm stuck in the 3DL world so this is less helpful going forward since people seem to no longer be making many new ones, but assuming this could randomly change over the years without compatibility, the subcategory of shader would likely be wanted by others (3DL, Iray, etc.))

    props               (the store appears to be geared primarily towards people, clothing and architecture, but I'm often looking for objects that aren't one of those three things, and being able to exclude these three items would dramatically speed up the search.)  Obviously there will be overlap with a set that includes props as well as clothing or whatever.

    environments (see explanation above for props, similar idea, except that architecture might by necessity be included in this category.  prebuilt scenes, skydomes, etc.)

    There are probably a lot of others that would be helpful I can't think of off the top of my head.

  • RayDAntRayDAnt Posts: 1,147

    nonesuch00 said:

    Well I think those Cultures listed are appropriate for clothing. For instance it could do with an English and German categories for clothing.

    To use those country/culture categories for humans is too nebulous though, I would only list caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid or the white, black, yellow if marketers felt the scientific technical terms for the 3 races was too obscure for more people. There need to be a mixed race as a 4 category.

    There needs to be centuries. There need to be geographiers.

    You know what would really be need is DAZ made a StoreUI that used a century time line and a mercator projection of the earth and we would click on the year timeline that would update the earth map to the country borders for that year and then when we clicked on a country on that map we'd be given a choice then to choose male, female, age, get a listing of all the characters, clothing, hair, or other products. Likewise for buildings and furniture. Likewise for vehicles. Likewise from botany, animals, and land/sea scapes.

    Such a Store UI would be very intitive to navigate and could be integrated in DAZ Studio to navigate our local DAZ Content Library as well.

    This is a really cool idea! I've long struggled with how to comprehensively categorize 3D content in a meaningful/useful way. And this would go a long way towards accomplishing that. Especailly since accounting for items that could fit in more than one place/time would be a breeze.

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904

    richardandtracy said:

    Genres: Historical with sub category: Ancient/Classical/Dark Ages/Mediaeval/17thC/18thC/Victorian/Early20thC/Mid20thC/1960's/1970's etc

    I support this but would like to see a category pop-culture, and mid-century or 1940's,1950's added.

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    nonesuch00 said:

    a StoreUI that used a century time line and a mercator projection of the earth and we would click on the year timeline that would update the earth map to the country borders for that year and then when we clicked on a country on that map we'd be given a choice then...
    This would be amazing.
    I'd also like to say that the "Gothic" genre makes very little sense as-is - the items popping up don't really represent either the Gothic literature / architecture or the Goth subculture.
  • Richard Haseltine said:

    As I understand it this is about genres for filtering, not chnages to the prsent or future content itself. Which entries in the genres drop down would you like to see added?

    we get a list and can pick which ones to show... why not an option to hide... like v2, v3, v4.... all the stuff that predates genesis... for instance? 
    even perhaps a permanent ban list? for our feeds? 
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    and I don't care what date daz declared something was a different category or whatever... 
    if it's sort by newest...why do V2 items pop up early in new arrivals than a g+ item... newest arrival sort by sku number? 
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    yes, a hundred pages of stuff to wade through kinda makes you just stop... 
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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245
    edited April 2021

    Silent Winter said:

    Yes, genres are useful.

    I think more 'sub-genres' would be handy to narrow a search:

    E.g.

    Sci-fi: Cyberpunk

    Sci-Fi: Space

    Historical: Ancient Rome+Greece

    Historical: 1920's+30's

    (I know there'll be overlap there (products that fit more than one sub-genre) and disagreement over whether Roman and Greek should go together (but there are often ambiguous products))

    Feel free to add/edit/delete as needed.

    ...yes.  

    I also would like to see filters for specific categories of content (including "Resources" with possible sub categories of Scripts, Morph/Shape, Skin, Materials) as well given that the store search routine has been so buggered for a while now. 

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    One thing to consider about the filters, especially genre filtres, as oposed to funcionality filters (such as owned/not owned).

    Someone has to add the proper genre tags to the products. All the products. See how many there are, by how many PA's. Unless the community can participate and add filters to products.

  • it would also be helpful i think to filter by compatibilities. Iray, filament. PBR. Both. Old daz, new daz. dforce not dforce. dhair/strand based hair. shaders. lights/hdri. 

    animals and environments as people have mentioned. 

    DUF format. Sometimes i buy something and can't find it because I forget to check the "old" runtime. :) probably think of more in time...

  • Daz_Jessica said:

    We're contemplating adding a few more genres to the store and would love your thoughts.  The current genres are Contemporary, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Toon, Historial, Horror, Eastern, Gothic, Anime, Steampunk/Victorian, Super Heroes, High Seas and Egyptian

    • First, do you find genres helpful and do you use them?
    • Second, would you find it helpful to have the following genres (they may be labeled differently if selected), please let me know which 1 or 2 you would find most helpful:
      • Black Characters & Culture
      • Latin Characters & Culture
      • Indian Characters & Culture
      • LGBTQ Characters & Culture
      • Mediterranean or Ancient Greece
    • Third, any genres we are missing that you'd like to see?

    * Please note, this is a question on genres and store features, not politics.

    The problem is not the lack of genres. It's that everything is so sexualized. Does everything have to be sexy, even when it doesn't fit the genre? I can't use, and don't buy, the majority of fantasy genre items for that reason: Nothing against it, but I'm not making 3D porn here.

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,766

    watchdog79 said:

    One thing to consider about the filters, especially genre filtres, as oposed to funcionality filters (such as owned/not owned).

    Someone has to add the proper genre tags to the products. All the products. See how many there are, by how many PA's. Unless the community can participate and add filters to products.

    I'll be happy when they fix the store search to use the tags we add when uploading our products. (At the moment it still only works if the word is in the title).

    Genre categories would be useful too, when browsing, but if a product is already tagged '1920s' and '1920' and '1920's' , then that should cover the search function.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    watchdog79 said:

    One thing to consider about the filters, especially genre filtres, as oposed to funcionality filters (such as owned/not owned).

    Someone has to add the proper genre tags to the products. All the products. See how many there are, by how many PA's. Unless the community can participate and add filters to products.

    ...for a category filter, those tags are already there on the product thumbnail so that should make it reasonably simple to implement,  The sub categories would require their own tags.. 

  • RuthvenRuthven Posts: 659

    My 2 cents:

    - I don't find "genres" much useful, but increasing their number surely would do no harm - as long as the items are correctly tagged when realesed

    - I surely find ABSOLUTELY NEEDFUL the feature of filtering by categories

     

  • RuthvenRuthven Posts: 659

    Ruthven said:

    My 2 cents:

    - I don't find "genres" much useful, but increasing their number surely would do no harm - as long as the items are correctly tagged when realesed

    - I surely find ABSOLUTELY NEEDFUL the feature of filtering by categories

    Woops, posted before finishing!

    - For all the filters, being able to use Boolean operators would much improve their usefulness; also, subcategories would be lovely (i.e.e hairs - short/long/updo/semi-updo/braided)

    - Anyway, what really would be good would be the possibility to add our own tags and filter by those

    - Agree with "look at what Daz Deals plugins offers" suggestion

    - Would appreciate a "search by price range" feature

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,501

    Yes, in principle I find the division into genres useful; subdivisions of existing categories were useful, too. For example, I have subdivided my historical scenes into different folders for historical periods: 

    ++ Prehistoric  ++ Antiquity  ++ Early Middle Ages  ++ Middle Ages  ++ Modern times to 19th century  ++ 19th century  ++ 20th and 21st century. 

    My subdivisions do not refer only to the periods of the European history. They include everything, no matter if Classical Maya (Antiquity and/or Early Middle Ages), the Merovingians (Early Middle Ages) or the Kingdom of Ghana (Middle Ages).

    From the suggested categories, I would find 'Mediterranean or Ancient Greece‘ most helpful.

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,183

    We're contemplating adding a few more genres to the store and would love your thoughts.  The current genres are Contemporary, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Toon, Historial, Horror, Eastern, Gothic, Anime, Steampunk/Victorian, Super Heroes, High Seas and Egyptian

    • First, do you find genres helpful and do you use them?
    • Second, would you find it helpful to have the following genres (they may be labeled differently if selected), please let me know which 1 or 2 you would find most helpful:
      • Black Characters & Culture
      • Latin Characters & Culture
      • Indian Characters & Culture
      • LGBTQ Characters & Culture
      • Mediterranean or Ancient Greece
    • Third, any genres we are missing that you'd like to see?

    * Please note, this is a question on genres and store features, not politics.

    (1) no. Never used it. (2) no. You are definitely missing several continents in terms of geography (3) the fashionable males genre. Give us some realistic looking male hair (the hairline!) and clothing (there isn't even a single CORRECT denim jacket for G8M... we guys have buttons on the right!)
  • JVRendererJVRenderer Posts: 661

    add:

    Anthro Characters...

  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,986

    I honestly don't think I've ever looked at the genre tab, I usually search for what I'm looking for in the search box or I'll use the Artist tab to search for the ones I'm looking for, but if it's not that much extra work to do, there's no harm in doing it for folks that might find it useful. 

  • Hello,

    Considering the ethnicity "genre": I'm not a fan.

    However, as Daz is often used for story telling, I would like more literature/movie genres and subgenres: e.g. thriller/crime, or as subgenre: horror (zombie, survival, cosmic) etc.

    Instead of ethnicity I would suggest a regional/cultural categorization, HOWEVER not based on reality (I mean, DAZ figures are not the most real anyways...) but on stories!

    E.g. Asian, African, South American.

    African would then not only include figures of color, but also: african animals, safari figures, a Tarzan figures, everything that you would associate with stories playing on the african continent. Of course also environments and props.

    Same for e.g. south american. It would not only include mexicans, inca, etc. but also e.g. spanish conquistadors or british scientists.

    What I mean with all my babbling: don't categorize products, because it might seem political correct to categorize in certain ways. Categorize products to aid story tellers and artists.

     

    Best regards

     

  • psfilipepsfilipe Posts: 164

    Sevrin said:

     

    What we need is to be able to split out

    • Figures
    • Outfits/Clothes
    • Hair
    • Tutorials
    • Poses/Expressions
    • Utilities
    • Environments/Props


    Absolutely this and also:

    • Shaders
    • Lights
  • psfilipepsfilipe Posts: 164

    cloth1975 said:

    What I mean with all my babbling: don't categorize products, because it might seem political correct to categorize in certain ways. Categorize products to aid story tellers and artists.

    Best regards


    Exactly. 'Story' should be the main focus.

  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,058

    I would like to see the filters

    • Wishlisted
    • Correct meta tags
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    If we take an example... I want to see female Genesis 8 Characters.

    I choose People and Wearables->Genesis 8 People->Female and I get 2207 items.
    At 60 items per page that is 37 pages and one third of the first 60 results were not characters, but clothing, make-up or even https://www.daz3d.com/the-cat-collection

    In principle the store already has tools for sorting and filtering, but when the metadata for the items doesn't really match the item, the situation is not going to improve by increasing categories.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,040
    edited April 2021

    I’d like a sports category. Clothes, sets, poses, etc...  Sometimes things are listed under fitness, or gym or exercise or workout or sports or yoga or whatever. And they are all separate and don’t use the same key words. I’d like everything involving workout, gym, fitness, yoga, exercise to be findable under the same key words and maybe a main sports section. 

    Post edited by Wonderland on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631

    lets filter out textures and poses

    its hard to shop with all this stuff 

  • psfilipe said:

    Sevrin said:

     

    What we need is to be able to split out

    • Figures
    • Outfits/Clothes
    • Hair
    • Tutorials
    • Poses/Expressions
    • Utilities
    • Environments/Props


    Absolutely this and also:

    • Shaders
    • Lights

    Texture sets!  

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,927
    edited April 2021

    gerster said:

    I would like to see the filters

    • Wishlisted
    • ...

    This would be great, so it would then be possible to see if wishlisted items are included in large & complicated offers where the reduced price is not shown until the correct combination of items lands in the cart - I currently ignore those because there is no way for me to see if any wishlist item is in the offer (DAZ Deals plugin apparently doesn't work on Android 9 Chrome). Though, to be honest, my preference would be to simplify offers to %off and no mix & match.

    Post edited by richardandtracy on
  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,364
    edited April 2021
    I think Holiday is a much needed genre filter, so people can find past items related to Christmas and other seasonal events easier. I would also suggest that if an item in the store has an available add-on, like an outfit with a clothing texture set by a different vendor, it always be a suggested item at the bottom of the page.
    Post edited by Timbales on
  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,835

    Timbales said:

    I would also suggest that if an item if the store has an available add-on, like an outfit with a clothing texture set by a different vendor, it always be a suggested item at the bottom of the page.

    Having add-ons appear on product pages is definitely needed. And they should appear even if you already own them!

  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,316
    edited April 2021

    I'd like an Exclusion option - so I can filter out G*F and just see everything else I might buy - some huge sales catagories your can't see anything else for all the G*F. And I am sure others would appreciate excluding out G*M. There are also times when I don't want to see Poses, etc.. So I think an Exclusion options would be useful for allot of us faced with a sales catagory in thousands.

    And a way to exclude Starter Bundles when you already own the Pro Bundle.

    Post edited by 3Ddreamer on
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