Genres You'd Like to See in the Store?

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  • KlimaxKlimax Posts: 23

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    ...

    Wouldn't matter. West/East Europe divsion would ensure end of it. Can you guess why?

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    Klimax said:

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    ...

    Wouldn't matter. West/East Europe divsion would ensure end of it. Can you guess why?

    I don't think that many people here care about such things.  We have important stuff like keyframes and forum searches to worry about. 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited April 2021

    MimicMolly said:

    1) I think we need better tagging. Also, put back "Required Products" on product pages.

    Required Products is still there, but (unless they have fixed the bug) the field may sometimes disappear from/reappear on any page that has the field, at random.  It may also be missing on some pages in general, I think. 

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    watchdog79 said:

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    I guess they should know better than implementing something that would offend a lot of their customers, then?

    I know that quite a few PA here are Ukrainian, but when it comes to the userbase, are you sure there are enough Eastern Europeans to count as "a lot"? 

    Klimax said:

    Wouldn't matter. West/East Europe divsion would ensure end of it. Can you guess why?

    Not sure what exactly you wanted to say.

    --

    Either way, while I do understand the politically driven anti-Russian sentiments that are prevalent abroad (I'm Russian, in case there are folks browsing the forums on their mobile devices), the legit point is that a) culture(s)-wise, Russia is neither "European" nor "Asian": there are lots of different cultures here; b) basically none of those are represented here in the store. There are a few caricatures, but that's that.

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    I guess they should know better than implementing something that would offend a lot of their customers, then?

    I know that quite a few PA here are Ukrainian, but when it comes to the userbase, are you sure there are enough Eastern Europeans to count as "a lot"? 

    I am not sure whether you understand the volatile nature of the history of the countries that some would call Eastern Europe. It is not limited to Ukraine only.

    The problem is not just the Western/Eastern Europe separation that so many people still so stubbornly insist on, or the complete omission of Central Europe. It is also having one's culture tagged as what would appear to be a mere subset of Russian culture (which itself is a conglomerate of many different nations and cultures).

    Europe is not a monolith. Or two monoliths. We are not a single federation like the USA. We are many distinctly different nations, some on better terms with some others, some on, well, unfortunately not so good terms with some others. I think you underestimate the tension still present here in Europe. This is why DAZ should stay away from labeling countries like this, and why DAZ is clever to not provide battlegrounds for such hate wars, nor would I think DAZ wants to be pointed at as the trigger of a completely avoidable drama scene. We have enough of those in real life. Consider this, please - the Internet is not DAZ website only. What starts here may spread beyond DAZ's reach. Bad for PR.

    In my opinion, DAZ should continue providing a platform for artists to get their resources and publish their art, if the artists wish so, and not overdo it with the genre tags, as it may result in the store being a pain in the rear end to search through, more than it curently is. Imagine everyone trying to squeeze at least some of the genre tags currently "fashionable" in the real world onto their product store pages. Trying to search something that actually falls into the category one is looking for would become a nightmare.

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    watchdog79 said:

    I am not sure whether you understand the volatile nature of the history of the countries that some would call Eastern Europe.

    I'm not saying I do. See, I went to school in the 90s, but our history books were still very much Soviet. You get the drift.

    What I mean is that people from the English-speaking countries, who appear to be the overwhelming majority of the userbase, couldn't care less for whatever issues may concern the DAZ representation of continental Europe, Russia, China, Japan... it's all "exotic" to them. Basically a subset of the "fantasy" genre.

    watchdog79 said:

    Europe is not a monolith. ... We are many distinctly different nations, some on better terms with some others, some on, well, unfortunately not so good terms with some others. I think you underestimate the tension still present here in Europe.

    Yes, it's true that to a Russian who's never been abroad, like me, "Europe" does indeed seem to be quite monolithic, especially after the advent of EU. Something of a paradise in terms of feminism, human rights etc. Sad to hear it's not like that.

    watchdog79 said:

    It is also having one's culture tagged as what would appear to be a mere subset of Russian culture (which itself is a conglomerate of many different nations and cultures).

    Using "Eastern Europe and Russia" as a catchall tag actually strikes me as a very US sort of thing. Basically "the Eastern Bloc and those evil ruskies". I'm not defending the tag proposed, if that's what you thought... It's about as stupid as "black culture". I'm just not surprised someone came up with it. I'm more surprised that there turned out to be people like you, who actually care.

  • HighElfHighElf Posts: 366

    So let's wrap it up, geographics are a bad way to count as "genres". I vote for time periods and historical tribes(well those could be another can of worms though).

  • I'd rather have the option to filter items (especially sale items) by if they're in my wishlist or not.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Mustakettu85 said:

    Yes, it's true that to a Russian who's never been abroad, like me, "Europe" does indeed seem to be quite monolithic, especially after the advent of EU. Something of a paradise in terms of feminism, human rights etc. Sad to hear it's not like that.

    With that username I thought you were from the western side of the border...

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245
    edited April 2021

    ...If you have the Daz Deals plugin, there is a box you can check at the top of the page to show only Wishlisted items. This works on individual sales.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • ISIKOLISIKOL Posts: 386

    Hi guys...you should put some effort to create stylised content....hypercasual is very top right now but we have very few content on store...i mean we need figures stylised like lets say rabctas characters for forthnite.... more,toon like characters...the hair you have made for toons characters is amazing...we need more of these contents....

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    PerttiA said:

    Mustakettu85 said:

    Yes, it's true that to a Russian who's never been abroad, like me, "Europe" does indeed seem to be quite monolithic, especially after the advent of EU. Something of a paradise in terms of feminism, human rights etc. Sad to hear it's not like that.

    With that username I thought you were from the western side of the border...

    Karelian heritage. It was easier to find materials to study actual Finnish rather than Olonets Karelian, though. 

    ...the other bloodline is Romani. 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,675

    I'm interested in themes such as:

     

    Surfing/beach clothing

    Farm

    Outer space

    Medical

    Aliens

    Dogs and their things

    Winter/seasonal wear

     

    Etc

  • Daz MUST sell products. The search function should help them do this. When you search for "boots", you now get some boots and a ton of other products they want to sell while you're searching, hoping something there will grab your eye. This waters-down the search making it frustrating for the user. There is a solution:

    Search for "boots" should bring up boots only with sub-categories like boots on sale, boots sci-fi, boots fantasy, boots contempory ... etc. If it's possible, make the PA's go back into their product pages and update their tags for this. If they don't, their boots won't show up on searches and they'll lose out. This also means Daz must organize their "sales pitches" around these categories/tags. Good luck! 

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    I am not sure whether you understand the volatile nature of the history of the countries that some would call Eastern Europe.

    I'm not saying I do. See, I went to school in the 90s, but our history books were still very much Soviet. You get the drift.

    What I mean is that people from the English-speaking countries, who appear to be the overwhelming majority of the userbase, couldn't care less for whatever issues may concern the DAZ representation of continental Europe, Russia, China, Japan... it's all "exotic" to them. Basically a subset of the "fantasy" genre.

    watchdog79 said:

    Europe is not a monolith. ... We are many distinctly different nations, some on better terms with some others, some on, well, unfortunately not so good terms with some others. I think you underestimate the tension still present here in Europe.

    Yes, it's true that to a Russian who's never been abroad, like me, "Europe" does indeed seem to be quite monolithic, especially after the advent of EU. Something of a paradise in terms of feminism, human rights etc. Sad to hear it's not like that.

    watchdog79 said:

    It is also having one's culture tagged as what would appear to be a mere subset of Russian culture (which itself is a conglomerate of many different nations and cultures).

    Using "Eastern Europe and Russia" as a catchall tag actually strikes me as a very US sort of thing. Basically "the Eastern Bloc and those evil ruskies". I'm not defending the tag proposed, if that's what you thought... It's about as stupid as "black culture". I'm just not surprised someone came up with it. I'm more surprised that there turned out to be people like you, who actually care.

    I agree with you. Well said.yes 

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    watchdog79 said:

    I agree with you. Well said.yes 

    Thank you!

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,766
    edited April 2021

    I thought the whole 'geographical origin' thing was to avoid using 'culture' as a genre. Sure, there'd be overlap between different areas, so someone searching in 'Oceanean' genre for Australian animals would also get Kiwis, but it'd narrow the general search.

    If I'm looking for something specific, like 'Wombat' then I want the store search to work so I can find that (or be sure that if I don't find it, it's because it doesn't exist here).

    Post edited by Silent Winter on
  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    Cyber punk.hand painted.
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    ..still looking for any updates about the domestic Cat Alessandro mentioned he was working on months ago. 15 year old Mil Cat with dForce fur doesn't cut it when other critter types like the Dog, Horse, and Dragon received new versions. There's even a nice relatively new cow and calf (whatever happened to Sockratease?).that's part of the Margurite, Mahaut, and Denver Bundle .

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,643
    edited April 2021

    Deleted my post, I was actually being too specific when you're looking for genres. I'd also like to just be able to search properly and get relevant results.

    Post edited by SnowSultan on
  • Pixel8tedPixel8ted Posts: 593
    edited April 2021

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Last night I was in the middle of a totally futile search for a means of converting male face morphs into female face morphs and vise versa, because I needed a means of picking a father and a mother for a family scene, partly dialing in the face-shape of the mom onto the son, so that the son looks somewhat like he's the offspring of that mom, then party dial in the face-shape of the dad onto the daughter, so that the daughter looks like she's the offspring of that dad, in addition to partly dialing in the face-shape of the dad onto the son and partly dialing in the face-shape of the mom onto the daughter.

    Every search result I was getting was products to convert, say, a Genesis 3 Male over into a Genesis 8 Male, and products to convert Genesis 3 Female into Genesis 8 Female.  NONE OF THEM AT ALL were products to convert characters or morphs across BETWEEN GENDERS.  I KNOW there's products SOMEwhere to do that... and I know I've BOUGHT at least one of them... but if I cannot flipping FIND the dag-blasted thnig when I NEED it, I cannot USE it  0O

    Another issue I ran into recently was trying to find 1970s-specifical clothes... though that one at least did yield SOME results I was looking for... but it was burried under a bazillion unrelated things that weren't even clothes.  o0

     

    Maybe, this product:  https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-uv-swap-male-and-female-base ;

    Using the Transfer Utility with the settings listed on an attachment on a REDZ post on this thread (page 33 about 3 quarters of the way down on the page).  

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/176271/morphs-from-g3-to-g8/p33

    I haven't tried this myself but it might be worth a try if you have the uv swap utility for genesis 8. Edit: And yes the post with the attached file image is set for transfering between  G8F and  G8M even if the thread name does not reflect this.

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    It seems like since the store change over search is even worse than it was. I like the idea that someone posted about using Tags because sometimes it is hard to figure out which search term is the sweet spot for what I want.

    For genre ideas, I like the concept of using timelines or eras. 

    I like the idea of adding some useful categories so we can filter for things that are non dependent on a specific figure like environments, transportation and animals to name a few.

    Post edited by Pixel8ted on
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,316

    My oh my, let's go back to just doing naked renders so we can pretend borders, geography, and culture don't exist; then we can talk about sunburn, thorns, and finally getting rid of those useless covid-19 masks. laugh

  • I'll add to the A-men chorus on better tagging of the items.

    To be honest, I rarely "browse" in the method that would benefit by the Genres you've recommended.

    Outside of skimming through the "New" items, I usually just put what I am looking for in the search bar and pray for success.



     

  • GreeboGreebo Posts: 161

    Lasciare said:

    BlueFingers said:

    psfilipe said:

    Sevrin said:

     

    What we need is to be able to split out

    • Figures
    • Outfits/Clothes
    • Hair
    • Tutorials
    • Poses/Expressions
    • Utilities
    • Environments/Props


    Absolutely this and also:

    • Shaders
    • Lights

    Yes!!! 

    I totally agree. 

    This should be your main focus.

    (And fix the search function)

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    It might create divisive opinion of content.

    Example 1: A culture or character might not reflect properly and some people will avoid the product while the product might useful for other project and people will overlook it because it is from another category.

    Though if the product falls in multiple categories/genres then example 1 is less effective or ineffective.

    I hope this page is helpful

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genres

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,119

    Lot of good ideas here!

    I would like to be able to search for Sets Only (like Streets of Asia or The Red Crow inn) and Props Only.

  • In hindsight, I would recommend you just look at Renderosity's  *Old* search page and result (still active). I find it more useful than Daz's and Rendo's current one.

    • I know that the term I put into the search shows up somewhere in the product listing. So if I search for "pie" I will get that in the product title, but if there's a prop in a set that's a pie I'll also get those. I may get some false positives like "She's an adorable sweetie pie", but I can usually weed those out right from the results page.
    • I can filter down easily for what type of content (props, clothing, morphs, figure base, add-on, etc.)
    • It opens up the items in its own tab. It's frustrating with Daz that if you click on a result from a filter result page, when you hit the back button, the filtering is turned off and you have to filter out again.
  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    In hindsight, I would recommend you just look at Renderosity's  *Old* search page and result (still active).

    Could you please share how to get to it these days? I loved that old Rendo search, but couldn't find it one day anymore.

    ...sometimes using google's search within a domain helps, BTW.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,561

    we need 100 more sets exactly like this one to add to the already existing 100 sets exactly like this

    https://www.daz3d.com/biogen-laboratory

    each one to be progressively worse in quality too thanks

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i dont have dasan 8 yet.  a new bundle to make him interesting would be nice.
    mebbe something like shipqrecked.  a robinson caruso kinda theme.  what was that tom hanks movie with the basketball?

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