Genres You'd Like to See in the Store?

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  • mr clammr clam Posts: 707

    Well, if Sci-Fi poses are anything like Cyberpunk poses, they are exactly the same as normal poses.

    https://www.daz3d.com/cyberpunked-poses-for-genesis-8-female

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,200

    How about instead of asking us if we want more genres for a search engine that is broken, how about just fixing the search engine so it can be used the wat it is supposed to? I am tired of trying to find an item in the Sci-Fi genre for example and getting suits of armor instead of spacesuits.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    mr clam said:

    Is that category search in the blue bar new? I'm feeling like an idiot for never noticing it before. It helps ameliorate some of the search problems I've experienced, so glad to see a step in that direction!

    It's not new. It's great, but it doesn't help/can't be used when searching through sales sections. 

  • mr clammr clam Posts: 707

    Ah, I see. That's why I never noticed it. Still, glad to know it exists.

  • LasciareLasciare Posts: 184

    certaintree38 said:

    mr clam said:

    Is that category search in the blue bar new? I'm feeling like an idiot for never noticing it before. It helps ameliorate some of the search problems I've experienced, so glad to see a step in that direction!

    It's not new. It's great, but it doesn't help/can't be used when searching through sales sections. 

    It never works on Iphone and I don't see why, because the category search there is in the blue bar over the forum works on iphone.

  • gsil247gsil247 Posts: 224

    I want the option to only search items that are on my wishlist when you guys have deals that feature 1,000+ products. I really don't want to spend an hour searching to see if anything on that 'sale,' is in my wishlist. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    shadowhawk1 said:

    How about instead of asking us if we want more genres for a search engine that is broken, how about just fixing the search engine so it can be used the wat it is supposed to? I am tired of trying to find an item in the Sci-Fi genre for example and getting suits of armor instead of spacesuits.

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  • HighElfHighElf Posts: 366

    markgoode77 said:

    HighElf said:

    Lasciare said:

    markgoode77 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Black culture genre risks to be a wide open door to systemic racism and, if not, to be peceived as so.

    As could ignoring Black culture, surely? 

    Yes, but my comment is also valid for latin culture, indian culture and so on... 

    And so is "White culture" such a thing just doesn't exist and only racist believe in their existence. 

    At risk of getting these posts deleted or getting the thread closed, I would argue with this.  There was a suggestion earlier in this thread (or maybe another one) that something representing historic African culture (for example) would be nice.  I agree.  What on Earth's racist about that?

    Let me try to show you a different perspective. Do we really need more stuff that revolved around Ancient Egypt?

    If you now say you meant smth else, you fall into the trap of using stereotypes yourself. B/c Ancient Egypt is a historic African culture and pretty important as an epoche. Stereotypes are the front door to elitism, racism and pretty much any other *-ism you can think of. 

     

    Just look at the post above where someone thought they wrote a nice geographical list for genres. Well, why is India separated from Asia? Why is there no Italy, Greece or any Scandinavian option? The Russia thing already backlashed etc. I think you get the point. You pretty much ask for trouble when you try to use broad strokes for cultural things.

  • Alias52Alias52 Posts: 302

    I know it has been mentioned but I agree about sub-categories. Both to narrow down fields and to choose item type: So Fantasy/Elven/Outfit   or Historical/Viking/Weapon etc  Most importantly, it has to work...

  • CrescentCrescent Posts: 330

    Adding new catagories isn't going to help if stuff isn't catagorized properly.  I was looking for braided hair a few weeks back.  There was a particular one that I wanted to buy but I couldn't remember the name.  It wasn't tagged as braid so it took over an hour to find it.  I've pretty much given up looking for stuff in the store.  I want an outfit - I have to go through pages and pages of pose sets to find it.  It's amazing (in a bad way) how much stuff ends up in a search that has nothing to do with the keywords I put in.  The genre categories are just as bad.  Anime includes "Mesh Grabber Bundle", "Patterns Vintage China 2", "Catwalk Poses", a variety of tutorials on creating photorealistic art, etc.  How are these anime?

    I want to filter by item - clothing vs. textures vs poses.  I want to filter so I can find outfits that have boots or sandals (I saw a beautiful set of sandals a week or so ago and after 3 hours gave up trying to find the outfit they're in.  That's a lot of lost time for me for rendering and yet another lost sale for you.)  I want to find just dForce or no dForce.  I want to show just hair meshes or just hair textures or hair shaders. 

    And, please, please don't put "Gay Culture" or "Black Culture" type categories!  Would you accept a "White Culture" category?  I doubt it - it would be Roman, British, etc.

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,042

    60s and 70s stuff. Furniture, clothes, architecture. 
    Mediterainian architecture. Mostley french or italian.

  • KlimaxKlimax Posts: 23

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    By region:

    North america

    Central and south america

    Western europe

    Eastern europe and Russia

    Africa

    Australia

    Middle-east

    India

    Asia

    Australia

    Indonesia

    By period:

    Prehistory

    Antiquity

    Middle ages

    Renaissance

    16th and 17th

    18th and 19th

    20th

    21th

    Futuristic

    Just a correction: Western, Central and Eastern Europe.

    • Better filtering, useful if we're only looking for clothing or poses or whatever.
    • Better keyword search - this may be an issue of vendors not adding keywords or the right keywords. If they have a steampunk item, then it should definitely come up if you search for steampunk.
    • A way of adding "On Wishlist" to a search. This is especially helpful when you're having big sales - when you have tons of products eligible for discounts as in a March Madness kind of thing, it would be great to see if items on my wishlist were part of that promo

    The last has nothing to do with filtering, but requiring documentation for all products would be great. There could be a boilerplate type of thing for models, but more complex items could really use documentation. I have stuff that I've purchased that I've never actually figured out how to use, and there's no documentation for it.

  • BandoriFanBandoriFan Posts: 364

    Custom organizing. Like I can organize all my sword poses in one place tho I guess I can save my own to a folder since I use pose fusion plus a lot but when making them I use real poses 

    I feel like contemporary can have more categories like office, school, Kpop, and more

     

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 430
    edited April 2021

    A while ago I was looking for a horsedrawn cart, I tried horse, cart, horsedrawn ,and several other terms even including 'buggy' since I know that term is used in the USA. Nothing useful came up.

    A couple of days ago someone asked about this item https://www.daz3d.com/tilbury-mood. Now that's exactly what I was looking for, but without someone mentioning it I would never have found that.

    Tilbury is the main port on the river Thames for London, so the name 'Tilbury mood'  I'm more likely to associate with someone wanting to visit the docks.

     

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172
    edited April 2021

    Mustakettu85 said:

    mwokee said:

    I know I'm going to sound like a smart aleck, but you only need one category: Fantasy. I think the 3D world has been unable to grasp the potential of other applications beyond fantasy. BUSINESS, MANUFACTURING, EDUCATION, INDUSTRY, and much more, especially if greater levels of photo-realism were produced. I can do so many things for business applications in the commercial world and increase the sales of my art and concepts if I had more tools to work with. But the 3D world just can't think beyond elves and skimpware, for the most part.

    You might want to check out TurboSquid or SketchFab. DAZ/Poser is only a small part of the 3D world.

    However, maybe if they started making things for grownups, they could expand into new markets ;). Hey, I'm guilty...I've been buying stuff here for years, but my tastes change, as I'm sure others have as well. They can still sell the present fare...just add stuff that OTHERS might want and by that I mean, NEW people. Not everyone wants women with metal bras or ridiculous boob jobs (thankfully there's morphs for those if you do). They need to start thinking outside the box a little and I DO NOT mean like they have been lately with this pie in the sky stuff. Urgh.

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  • DripDrip Posts: 1,206

    The Daz store doesn't really need more categories. The Daz store desperately needs an elaborate tag system, with the option for users (both vendors and customers) to suggest more tags (though suggestions for new would need to be vetted, preferrably by the vendors), as well as an option to suggest suitable available tags for existing products. And, an option to link different tags for being synonyms or having functional and/or aesthetic overlap.

    Right now, I could search for some keyword, and the product I'm looking for would *only* show up if either the productname or the description contains that keyword.
    Say, I'm looking for a crown. So I search for Crown. I will get several hits for sure, but the one crown that totally fits what I'm looking for is part of some outfit, and is referred to as a diadem. It won't show up in my search.
    With an elaborate tag system, the vendor could add tags like "headwear", "crown" or even "diadem", even though it's a full outfit, the tag applies because it contains a diadem. The diadem tag could then be linked to the crown tag, for having overlap, since a diadem is basically a type of crown.

    Basically, we should get a tree for tags, like:
    headwear
    -crowns
    --diadems
    -hats
    -helmets

    So, I search for crowns, and products tagged with "diadem" would show up in my search as well. Maybe include products tagged as "headwear" as well, since it's only 1 tier back up.
    I search for headwear, and I wouldn't just get stuff tagged as "headwear", but all crowns and diadems would be included too, since those are related to crowns, and are all sub-tags of headwear. But, I'd also get hats and helmets.
    I search for "hats", and I won't see crowns, since they're not in the same hierarchy line, they're a seperate branch of headwear.
    I search for diadems, and I might get crowns too, since they're only 1 tier up. Always good to get the border cases included in a search.

    So basically, returning everything with the proper tag, as well as everything with a tag that's down the same branch, and maybe also returning those things that were tagged with the parent tier tag. Could even order them by how relevant they are, searched tag first, child tags next, parent tag last.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Tags!

  • towdow3towdow3 Posts: 83

    Daz_Jessica said:

    We're contemplating adding a few more genres to the store and would love your thoughts.  The current genres are Contemporary, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Toon, Historial, Horror, Eastern, Gothic, Anime, Steampunk/Victorian, Super Heroes, High Seas and Egyptian

    • First, do you find genres helpful and do you use them?
    • Second, would you find it helpful to have the following genres (they may be labeled differently if selected), please let me know which 1 or 2 you would find most helpful:
      • Black Characters & Culture
      • Latin Characters & Culture
      • Indian Characters & Culture
      • LGBTQ Characters & Culture
      • Mediterranean or Ancient Greece
    • Third, any genres we are missing that you'd like to see?

    * Please note, this is a question on genres and store features, not politics.

     

    NOOOO we do not need racial classification. race is not a genre. sexual orientation is not a genre. ugh Genre is helpful but i DO NOT want nor need a section based on race or sexual orientation/preference/classification/identification. NO.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    A better way to find texture add-ons. There's been times when I didn't even know an add-on existed for an outfit because the texture pack didn't go by the same name. 

  • GhostofMacbethGhostofMacbeth Posts: 1,673
    edited April 2021

    The key to the genre filtering is to not filter it so broadly that it is useless and to not filter so specifically that it is also useless. I am sure that a long hair from "Renaissance" might be cool but when it produces no results it will be an issue. That is just one example from the list above. 

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  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 1,960
    edited April 2021

    Last night I was in the middle of a totally futile search for a means of converting male face morphs into female face morphs and vise versa, because I needed a means of picking a father and a mother for a family scene, partly dialing in the face-shape of the mom onto the son, so that the son looks somewhat like he's the offspring of that mom, then party dial in the face-shape of the dad onto the daughter, so that the daughter looks like she's the offspring of that dad, in addition to partly dialing in the face-shape of the dad onto the son and partly dialing in the face-shape of the mom onto the daughter.

    Every search result I was getting was products to convert, say, a Genesis 3 Male over into a Genesis 8 Male, and products to convert Genesis 3 Female into Genesis 8 Female.  NONE OF THEM AT ALL were products to convert characters or morphs across BETWEEN GENDERS.  I KNOW there's products SOMEwhere to do that... and I know I've BOUGHT at least one of them... but if I cannot flipping FIND the dag-blasted thnig when I NEED it, I cannot USE it  0O

    Another issue I ran into recently was trying to find 1970s-specifical clothes... though that one at least did yield SOME results I was looking for... but it was burried under a bazillion unrelated things that weren't even clothes.  o0

     

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  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633
    edited April 2021

    Another +1 for tags, solves a ton of problems, maybe especially if you crowd source it. Even better if you downstream it to Studio itself.

    Categories to be added for sure :  Utilities - Lighting - FX - Materials - In My Wishlist

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  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    AllenArt said:

    Mustakettu85 said:

    mwokee said:

    But the 3D world just can't think beyond elves and skimpware, for the most part.

    You might want to check out TurboSquid or SketchFab. DAZ/Poser is only a small part of the 3D world.

    However, maybe if they started making things for grownups, they could expand into new markets ;)

    "Could" is the keyword.

    Moreover, while DAZ does commission "DAZ O" stuff, the store is very much a brokerage. And if the PA who already sell their work here don't want to or are unable to make convincing high-quality models of bulldozers and jackhammers, they, well, won't :) 

    Those kids who get professional training and degrees in 3D modeling these days, they are trained to use Maya/Max/Houdini etc. Good models in native formats for those can be sold at TurboSquid and the like for much higher prices than we're used to seeing here - and to be sold here, these models would need to be converted, which is an extra step that would add to the cost.

    You know what I would love to see added to the DAZ store but what I can't ever see happening? A SketchFab type of model viewer. So that the customer could inspect topology and UV mapping before buying.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    ..unfortunately with many of those sites, it's not just the price.  SOmetimes it is the quality, for exampe, when I was searching for a concert hall grand piano I saw some pretty awful stuff some of which was not at all "affordable" by our standards nor would probably pass Daz QA.  There are also file format as well as usage restrictions to be concerned about. 

    Daz cannot directly import formats like .3ds, .MAX (which is proprietary), .C4D, .and .STL.  Collada, which is supposed to be compatible with Daz, also has its issues.  More often than not, you have to go into a modeller to make the conversion (usually to .obj)  and even then it's not a sure bet the materials will transfer properly, particularly if there is no UV file provided.  That may be one thing for a freebie. So it can be a lot of work (and I'm not even counting cleaning up errors like reversed polys and ngons [particularly an issue with Sketchup models]) . Not sure I care to pay 75$ - 100$ for a model I need t do spend a lot of time converting and fixing on to get it to work in Daz.

  • MendomanMendoman Posts: 404
    edited April 2021

    Daz studio already has quite good smart content search, so why wouldn't you use that one? At least for me it would be much better alternative than those suggested in orginal post. Just use normal categories we already have in studio, like the most used ones

    - Environment

    - Figures

    - Hair

    - Lights

    - Poses

    - Props

    - Scripts/Utilities

    - Shaders

    - Shaping ( I mean morph sets )

    - Transportation

    - Wardrobe

     

    For bigger categories I'd like to see subcategories like for example wardrobe could have pants, shirts, skirts, dresses, footwear etc. or for figures animals, creatures and people. At least for me that would be much more helpful, and you already have all that data in smart content.

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  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    Mustakettu85 said:

    watchdog79 said:

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    Eastern europe and Russia

    I don't think you can fathom the size of the absolutely massive flamestorm this would ignite...

    It wouldn't. DAZ has a strong anti-politics policy here in the forums.

    I guess they should know better than implementing something that would offend a lot of their customers, then?

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,766

    Lasciare said:

    Categories by region and by period would be nice:

    By region:

    North america

    Central and south america

    Western europe

    Eastern europe and Russia

    Africa

    Australia

    Middle-east

    India

    Asia

    Australia

    Indonesia

    By period:

    Prehistory

    Antiquity

    Middle ages

    Renaissance

    16th and 17th

    18th and 19th

    20th

    21th

    Futuristic

     

     

    While it's nice to see Australia warrants two mentions (presumably one category for Indigenous (various Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures) and one for all the subsequent immigrants), it does leave out the New Zealanders, and the Polynesians.

    I think geographical (origin) genres would still need to be quite broad. Oceanean? Pacific?

  • PitmaticPitmatic Posts: 918

    Decent descriptions of content that can be searched would be very helpfull.

    For example if a clothing set has coat, shoes and a scarf instead of the description being say "hetties winter oufit" if could be Hetties winter outfit featuring a scarf, coat and shoes" and have the shop search search the text or at least this content would work for google search. I do a lot of googling to find things in the store.

    Just an idea.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,501

    Crescent said:

    Adding new catagories isn't going to help if stuff isn't catagorized properly.  I was looking for braided hair a few weeks back.  There was a particular one that I wanted to buy but I couldn't remember the name.  It wasn't tagged as braid so it took over an hour to find it.  I've pretty much given up looking for stuff in the store.  I want an outfit - I have to go through pages and pages of pose sets to find it.  It's amazing (in a bad way) how much stuff ends up in a search that has nothing to do with the keywords I put in.  The genre categories are just as bad.  Anime includes "Mesh Grabber Bundle", "Patterns Vintage China 2", "Catwalk Poses", a variety of tutorials on creating photorealistic art, etc.  How are these anime?

    I want to filter by item - clothing vs. textures vs poses.  I want to filter so I can find outfits that have boots or sandals (I saw a beautiful set of sandals a week or so ago and after 3 hours gave up trying to find the outfit they're in.  That's a lot of lost time for me for rendering and yet another lost sale for you.)  I want to find just dForce or no dForce.  I want to show just hair meshes or just hair textures or hair shaders. 

    Right! Daz should take much greater care in categorization. As it is at the moment, it only steals time that can be used for better things. And I've never bought anything extra that I've seen in this enervating search. I'm much too angry for that...

    And, please, please don't put "Gay Culture" or "Black Culture" type categories!  Would you accept a "White Culture" category?  I doubt it - it would be Roman, British, etc.

    Right again.

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