tafi who? DAZ has a parent company?

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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Did anyone point out that the bottom of the Daz web page now says "Part of Tafi" yet?

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    Nope... that's weird... but I never look down there... bad memories.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172
    edited May 2021

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    AllenArt said:

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

    I'm pretty sure that tafi isn't an external company that came along and purchased Daz - rather it's an evolution of the existing structure.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AllenArt said:

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

    I'm pretty sure that tafi isn't an external company that came along and purchased Daz - rather it's an evolution of the existing structure.

     Well then, if that's the case I'm sorry to say it's evolving in the wrong direction.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AllenArt said:

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

    I'm pretty sure that tafi isn't an external company that came along and purchased Daz - rather it's an evolution of the existing structure.

    I followed the link to the Tafi website and it is quite hard to find mention of DAZ3D - almost like they are ashamed of the association. I think the inference that DAZ has shifted towards bridges rather than further development is quite a reasonable assumption. I don't mind that so long as they improve the bridge solutions. Right now, Diffeomorphic is streets ahead of the official Blender bridge although there are quite a few improvements that I would like to see before I move my workflow out of DAZ Studio and into Blender. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    marble said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AllenArt said:

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

    I'm pretty sure that tafi isn't an external company that came along and purchased Daz - rather it's an evolution of the existing structure.

    I followed the link to the Tafi website and it is quite hard to find mention of DAZ3D - almost like they are ashamed of the association. I think the inference that DAZ has shifted towards bridges rather than further development is quite a reasonable assumption. I don't mind that so long as they improve the bridge solutions. Right now, Diffeomorphic is streets ahead of the official Blender bridge although there are quite a few improvements that I would like to see before I move my workflow out of DAZ Studio and into Blender. 

    Why does it have to be either/or? As far as I can tell the people who have posted about work on the bridges have not been the people who have been working on DS, though obviously I am not privy to the internal structure of Daz/Tafi.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,781

    Ruphuss said:

    epic buying daz ?

    oh please yes

    this shop is getting worse since they are child of tafi

    That would be a horrible idea IMO.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,636

    I don't see PAs panicking. Maybe that's not the best way of defining a problem here. But I would think if things were changing in a truly disastrous way here at Daz, PAs would be panicking. I could be wrong, but I'm just going to hang out for a while and see what happens.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,024

    You are correct, we're not panicking :) This is my main income so yes, I would be all over the place raising hell if I felt things were going bad.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,636
    edited May 2021

    Thanks @Mada 

    That makes sense to me. Also, glad to hear you're not panicking. smiley

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  • Kaleb242Kaleb242 Posts: 344

    Published Artists are the lifeblood of the whole Daz 3D platform — I hope the PAs continue to be treated well, and not be exploited by the outside interests of Tafi.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    Don't panic and always know where your towel is.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,024

    Kaleb242 said:

    Published Artists are the lifeblood of the whole Daz 3D platform — I hope the PAs continue to be treated well, and not be exploited by the outside interests of Tafi.

    lol ...so far Tafi managed to barricade the door leading to their avatar lab but I'm burning through it with a welding torch. It will be mine mwhuahahahaha

  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631

    McGyver said:

    Don't panic and always know where your towel is.

     

    use it as loincloth in embarrassing moments

    cut a hole and use as a poncho so you can be in disguise in Mexico

    at the hotel pool use it for reserving your sun lounger

    after your lost tennis match you can cry into

    more to come...?

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,722
    edited May 2021

    Ok, now I finally got it. Daz 3D is a part of Tafi. Interesting and good to know.

    Scroll down to the end of the page: https://www.daz3d.com/shop/

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  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631

    well hidden

    nice find Artini

    a child is also part of the family

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    Ruphuss said:

    well hidden

    nice find Artini

    a child is also part of the family

    Hidden? It's sitting there with the company name and address.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 1,936

    If DAZ did get ruined by Tafi, the only possible outcome would be Renderosity buying DAZ in an attempt to revive DAZ Studio.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,636
    edited May 2021

    That is hardly a good outcome. And I highly doubt Rendo has the capacity or interest to develop both Daz and Poser.

     

    Edit: Also, for those who don't know, Rendo is owned by a company called Bondware.

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,636

    All this doom and gloom seems a bit misplaced. It's too soon to break out the funeral dirges. Some aspects of Daz ops are changing, they are trying some things. That's normal for a company, isn't it? Problems will be resolved (or not). But I reiterate, PAs are not panicking. As long as that is the case, i doubt anything too horrible is happening. If/when that changes, we'll surely know about it.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,722

    And Poser uses the old technology with Flash or something, that was recently retired by Adobe.

    One of the reasons, I prefer Daz Studio and Unity - no such requirements are necessary there.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    Artini said:

    And Poser uses the old technology with Flash or something, that was recently retired by Adobe.

    One of the reasons, I prefer Daz Studio and Unity - no such requirements are necessary there.

    I believe the newest build of Poser no longer uses Flash for its library pane.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,722

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Artini said:

    And Poser uses the old technology with Flash or something, that was recently retired by Adobe.

    One of the reasons, I prefer Daz Studio and Unity - no such requirements are necessary there.

    I believe the newest build of Poser no longer uses Flash for its library pane.

    I have only the previous version of Poser on the computer that has crashed last year and does not boot any longer.

    Need to contact support about how can I move the license to the new computer, if possible.

     

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    Artini said:

    And Poser uses the old technology with Flash or something, that was recently retired by Adobe.

    One of the reasons, I prefer Daz Studio and Unity - no such requirements are necessary there.

    There is a workaround. Drag and drop from Explorer still works I'm told, but I haven't had Poser installed for many, many years now, so I can't personally check. LOL 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    Torquinox said:

    All this doom and gloom seems a bit misplaced. It's too soon to break out the funeral dirges. Some aspects of Daz ops are changing, they are trying some things. That's normal for a company, isn't it? Problems will be resolved (or not). But I reiterate, PAs are not panicking. As long as that is the case, i doubt anything too horrible is happening. If/when that changes, we'll surely know about it.

    So far, I'm not thrilled at all with the NFTs or the art direction, but I'm just lurking for now, waiting for that NFT to come off the top menu, if it ever does. If it doesn't, ah well...I had 20 plus years with this hobby and it'll take me another 20 to render everything I've bought ;).

    Laurie 

  • LucielLuciel Posts: 475

    AllenArt said:

    So far, I'm not thrilled at all with the NFTs or the art direction, but I'm just lurking for now, waiting for that NFT to come off the top menu, if it ever does. If it doesn't, ah well...I had 20 plus years with this hobby and it'll take me another 20 to render everything I've bought ;).

    Laurie 

    I don't know why it's still there. It's obvious to everyone it's been a massive flop, public opinion is against them strongly, but there it remains.

    DAZ is hardly moving with the times or listening to anyone about that junk it seems.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    There is already a thread for NFTs, let's not get sidetracked please.

  • ArkadySkiesArkadySkies Posts: 206

    marble said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AllenArt said:

    I hope this isn't the same situation as Smith Micro and Poser - got a company that now owns a 3D site when they have zero 3D experience and didn't listen to their customers. That didn't turn out well. So far, this Daz/Tafi thing hasn't been so rosey either. I've been thinking seriously of just turning away with my existing library, resigned to the fact that this might be the end of it for this hobby, at least for me :) I should just render what I've got. It's been a good run. I was already thinking that Daz was going to start concentrating more on the exporters and less on the actual Daz Studio software - the writing on the wall, so to speak ;)

    I'm pretty sure that tafi isn't an external company that came along and purchased Daz - rather it's an evolution of the existing structure.

    I followed the link to the Tafi website and it is quite hard to find mention of DAZ3D - almost like they are ashamed of the association. I think the inference that DAZ has shifted towards bridges rather than further development is quite a reasonable assumption. I don't mind that so long as they improve the bridge solutions. Right now, Diffeomorphic is streets ahead of the official Blender bridge although there are quite a few improvements that I would like to see before I move my workflow out of DAZ Studio and into Blender. 

    Even if Tafi is the result of Daz restructuring and not a buyout, right now things feel the same way they did when Poser started it's decline: distant parent company that doesn't seem to want to be too closely associated with it's 3D character software, seeming lack of interest over customer concerns, plus QA and product improvement seems to be taking a backseat to exploring other markets and ideas...

    I'm sure Daz will still be around a year from now, and Unreal will probably remain unwieldy enough that Metahumans isn't a serious threat among the 3D novice market (and MakeHuman will likely remain awful, HumanGen has promise but censors the textures to the point you can't even put a bikini on) so Daz may be reasonably secure from competition as long as they don't keep pulling stunts that anger their users, but the overall trajectory and communication (and lack of communication) doesn't make me optimistic Daz will stop pulling stunts or that Tafi plans to maintain Daz and its store in its current form, as they seem more interested in "the future" and setting themselves up as a VR disruptor* with crypto ties. It feels like the changes to way things operate may change more in the next five years than they have in the last five.

    It feels like Daz Studio and it's users are not where Tafi sees its future, at least not in it's current form. I'm honestly less concerned with the fact NFTs/SP exist than I am with how Daz has handled the controversies around them combined with degrading QA and product quality. There are additional, more specific things I would mention if I were allowed to discuss them, but recent experiences here suggest not (which only reinforces the "rats on a sinking ship" vibe I'm getting).

    * Disclaimer: In the tech industry usage of the word, innovative tech and companies are described as disruptive or disruptors, this is not an accusation of illegal/improper behavior.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    Richard Haseltine said:

    There is already a thread for NFTs, let's not get sidetracked please.

    Not anymore... but that's still a valid point.

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