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I think those images would be enough to convince a lot of people. Those are just the sort of thing my grandma collects, and being able to print unique statuettes for her would be a lovely gift.
Ivy, they really are stunning. And for what it's worth, the fairy in front (the one next to the frog) looks like my sister. :)
Yes, this. My husband and I have been sort of toying with the idea (he, too, likes his models), and I think these photos sort of tipped us over the edge from "Considering it" to "want it when we have the cash".
Tell us what Daz says, and maybe also share a little bit of the process you use for getting things from Daz into the physical realm, if you will. What kind of conversions, what other programs, etc?
In brief, sometime back when i asked the company, the answer was no.
The solution is simply to make one's own models and those you can use in D/S and print out anyway you want to.
Hexagon, Blender, Modo, Max, 3D Coat and Zbrush are some of the more popular modelers [not listed in any particular order of course].
Yes, this. My husband and I have been sort of toying with the idea (he, too, likes his models), and I think these photos sort of tipped us over the edge from "Considering it" to "want it when we have the cash".
Tell us what Daz says, and maybe also share a little bit of the process you use for getting things from Daz into the physical realm, if you will. What kind of conversions, what other programs, etc?
It would seem that DAZ 3D deals with these queries on a case by case basis at the moment. So it is better if you submit your own query
Well that sounds hopeful :-)
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Haven't tried their services yet but the ability to purchase one's own 3D printed items is now available locally. It does involve bringing files to party A who sends to party B.
WOW... I bet DAZ never even knew 3d printing was possible way back when they started the company. Technology is changing daily. People are finding more interesting ways to display their art be it on paper or in plastic 3d form. Seems to me DAZ .. HAS.. to change with the technology. As long as I can make my art and sell it I am happy. Not that I'll make millions.. If I do... I'd be happy to share... winks. I just want to THANK all you content creators out there for allowing me to share my art with my little part of the world! And Ivy... THANK YOU for showing me that there are other ways to display my art. I may just have to grab myself a 3D printer too. winks... Happy Holidays everyone!!!!
Those are beautiful figures.
And...uhhhh, DAZ needs to get the hell on top of this and establish a reasonable and fair policy, and they need to do it fast! This "submit a ticket" attitude will be bad business and could make DAZ lose out on business opportunities galore!
Here in the US, you can already buy 3D printers at superstores and warehouse clubs such as Sam's Club (part of WalMart). I just saw them in stores, for crying out loud!
So it won't be very long at all before I start thinking about it for myself! And if I perceive that DAZ's restrictions against 3D printing for personal use, gift-giving, and sales of end-product are too strict, then I foresee a sudden "no future need" for me to buy figures, content, or even PA products that are based on anything made by DAZ.
I'll just have to learn to make my own "everything". Or find a content provider that has rules that are more beneficial to me as a customer.
Just let everyone know i am still waiting for a answer on my 3d printing daz content for creating ceramic molds with.
I am really disappointed that there is this looming issue in printing 3d stuff with daz content.
I have check all the other 3d web sites I use ELUA on 3d printing the only thing they say is that the 3d sites content files that where bought for personal use, can be used to create printed 3d objects of product content.. But the product conten file used to create the 3d printed objects can't be redistributed in a manner that third parties can extract the geometry of the content used for republishing by other parties.
In other words you can print 3d stuff to hearts content, with their products. just don't sell or redistribute the content files you used to create your 3d printed figure. Or that if you have to send your auto-cad file to a third party for them to do the 3d printing. Then you will need a special written permission or license and/or create your STL file so the geometry can't be extracted. by the third party ,
which works for me because i am doing my own printing. . So I am assuming daz policy will be the similar as the other sites once they catch up.
I sure hope that is the case for you Ivy... I wouldn't mind having one of your little fairies as a Christmas present under my tree... Wanna adopt me??? giggles..
Thank you for sharing your work. I'm looking into a 3d printer this weekend... winks
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
I wanted to update everyone to what is happening with the 3d printer issue
I am going to post what I submitted and the reply I got back from Crissie .
Hi Ivy.. thanks for keeping us updated... I TOTALLY agree with you. Why bother giving any more money to DAZ if they are going to restrict making 3d items. I hadn't even thought about 3d statues until I saw your artwork. I have been spending over 300 dollars a month on content the past 2 years... and it sure would be nice to recoup some of that money if I can sell at craft shows... etc. I'm not sure HOW it's against ELUA if no files are being exchanged. I certainly couldn't afford to pay ANOTHER 1000 dollars PER item i've bought through DAZ just to make a few measly pennies at a craft show. I'd be curious to hear what the content creators think about this. I think 3d printing opens up a whole new money making opportunity for me... that's for sure ;) HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!
Form the EULA:
That section still applies if that "entity which creates the 3D print" is you and not some 3rd party as there's nothing specific covering that case, even if there's no real "distribution" of the content in that case.
Besides it also states that the 3D printing licence tells you how many copies you can make and what you can do with them, which is needed whether or not there are redistribution issues.
So yes, 3D printing without having an additional licence is indeed againts the current EULA, as DAZ support said.
So, if I build something (like a chair to be used in Poser) and I made it using Bryce or Carrerra or DS then, in order to sell it, I first have to make certain that whoever is buying it also has Bryce or Carrera or DS?
That's crazy!
I hope that this interpretation is wrong.
So, if I build something (like a chair to be used in Poser) and I made it using Bryce or Carrerra or DS then, in order to sell it, I first have to make certain that whoever is buying it also has Bryce or Carrera or DS?
That's crazy!
I hope that this interpretation is wrong.
3D Printed object is what was said, not a normal 3D model.
WOW Ivy... what a shame for DAZ.. My premium membership is renewing in January and I've been wondering IF I should renew. This pretty much cinches it for me. I will NOT be renewing. I spend HUNDREDS of dollars a month on content at DAZ and I'm NOT going to purchase a SPECIAL license for EVERYTHING I want to create to make money. I would love to recoup some of that money back. (sighs)... Happy Holidays!
I don't believe that was their final answer.
They said:
1) The EULA doesn't grant things not mentioned.
2) They don't allow 3d printing now, but they are working on it expanding it for next year. (We're in the middle December, so that's at least a few weeks minimum)
3) While they sort it out, they offered you a temporary resolution
It looks like they aren't quite ready to implement it, but they are working on it and they offered to make it right in the meantime. But your response was to stop buying.
yes better to be safe than sorry , only because I have contacted other sites i use on this issue. and where i can 3d print with the other sites content I purchase . i can't with daz , so yes better safe than sorry and not buy or use daz content for my business until there is a more clear ELUA on this Now, unless of course your feeling generous and want to purchase the extended license i need for me to 3d print daz products so i can resale them so i could continue to purchase and use daz content in my 3d printer... because to be honest that would be cool if you did.
Have a great day :)
so, what gets me, I can use daz content to make a tabletop roleplaying game, like dungeons and dragons, I can make all the art work i want to be printed in the rulebook. I can use it to make the book cover. I can make posters and the box art. I can make a cartoon out of it. i can make a 2d video game with sprites Ive rendered.
I cant print miniatures for this game on my own printer to include if I sell them... how does that make a bit of sense?
A license grants you specific rights; any other rights are retained by the owner of the content. For example, you have the right to sell renders you make with the content, but you can't modify the content and sell it. In the case of 3D prints, this was previously forbidden, even for personal use. Now the EULA has been amended to allow personal use. Look at stock art licenses, for example, and you will see a similar delineation of specific things you can and can't do in specific quantities.
at what point in time was it specifically forbidden?
Every EULA prior to the latest update has either specifically forbidden it or stated that "All other rights with respect to the Content and its use are reserved by DAZ and its licensors." That kind of statement, while typical in such contracts, is technically not required, as any rights not specifically granted in a license are by definition not granted.
that implies printing in 3d form is a 'right'
Im highly disturbed at this stance. this goes back to 'unforeseen usage'
the spirit of the contract has always been, 'dont distribute things (products or works) where the 3d geometry of 3d artists can be extracted and distributed. This has never been intended to restrict artistic freedom. In the modern era, daz 3d content is a paint brush, marker, canvas or "stencil", disallowing the distribution of specific formulas, ie the 3d geometry files or the UV mapped textures, so that others have use of them without paying is reasonable, creating addendum to the EULA that state what format our final work is in is ridiculous. Creation of a final work of art where the 3d geometry is not readily capable of being extracted should not be dependent on whether that final medium is on paper, a cardboard box, a tv screen or some plastic blobs spit out by a printer in sequence. Further, what type of 3d printing? Sintering? Extruded Plastic? What about bonded paper? Bonded paper simply cuts out a trace of a shape and glues it to a stack or glues paper together then cuts it, how is that different than printing out 10,000 images and gluing them together by hand?
I can understand not allowing a 3rd party to print daz content as that requires the distribution of the 3d content. I think its great that I can print these off and give them away.
However, denying the ability for people to sell them, as crafts at flea market, online or to print them out en masse and include in a commercial product such as a board game goes against everything that EULA has stood for for the last 2 decades or so. This isnt protecting the Published Artists rights, its cornering a market and denying a medium for expression, Daz has always been about empowering artists. I could see not allowing the selling of molds made this way, but not art pieces. Miniatures, statues, dioramas or ornaments. In shutting down an entire medium, they will only drive away future customers, countless tabletop gamers, entrepreneurs, craftspeople, hobbyists and artists.
the market is unpredictable, whats next, no holographic projection without a separate license?
It is. The rights all belong to the maker of the item, or to DAZ if it's a buyout from a PA. The EULA grants some rights to the end-user, within limits. Those limits have now been extended to include non-commercial 3D printing. How commercial 3D printing will be handled we don't yet know.
and the EULA is a contract. changing the terms of the EULA is a breach of contract. Id now like my money back. I will be submitting a support ticket.
My take on the new EULA is they have added clauses that prohibit anyone from 3d Printing objects for sale or as gifts. The biggest reason I can see for such language is to prevent anyone from competing with their new 3d Printed models for sale. What's next prohibiting the sale or gift of 2d printed images? I see no difference. Content/images I create use to be mine to print, give away or use commercially (book covers and graphic novels come to mind).
The EULA in effect when I purchased most of my models did not prohibit sale or gifting of any derived(whether digitally or hard copy printed) 2d or 3d images. How would you feel if Daz decided you could no longer give or sell a 2d animation you created because they added an animation creation department? The EULA in effect when you purchased a model is the one that effects what you do with the model that is why they want you to sign a new agreement. If they now wish to restrict my use further then the original UELA then they should buy back those models.
I love Daz and have been a customer from near day one. The models I have purchased add up to thousands of dollars. This latest restriction of derived/printed content, because of Daz's new 3d Printing endeavor, is a slap in the face of customers who bought content in good faith with the understanding that any images they created were theirs to use, gift or sell.
The models DAZ sells are 3d models. Restricting their use to 2d creations is just plain wrong. Doing it to prevent anyone from competing with them is more then wrong it is unethical and a violation of customer trust. Any argument that 3D printing wasn't included in past UELAs because it wasn't invented yet is mute. The creation of 3D items is not new. It has existed in the form of CNC for decades. Home holographic projectors are one of the next technologies. How would you feel if DAZ decided you could no longer sell of give away any images or scenes you created that might be shown on a holographic device limiting you to monitors or paper reproductions which will fade faster then beta tapes? There should be no restrictions on content you create, from models you purchased, as long as you don't include the digital models which would allow for unpurchased reproductions.
I doubt any arguments, no matter how reasonable, will change Daz management or the minds of those on this forum who think Daz incapable of making a wrong decision but I feel I have to try. Sadly I will refrain from further purchases until I can use them in MY creations as I see fit.
It is. The rights all belong to the maker of the item, or to DAZ if it's a buyout from a PA. The EULA grants some rights to the end-user, within limits. Those limits have now been extended to include non-commercial 3D printing. How commercial 3D printing will be handled we don't yet know.
Richard put it well and This is worth repeating. The content creator owns all the rights! All an end user gets, is a license to use the products in the specifics granted. All other rights will always remain with the content creators. That's the law. That's the way a court will judge it. Your opinion is just that, an opinion, but not a right. Just because you interpret something in error, will not help you make an arguement in court.
Richard put it well and This is worth repeating. The content creator owns all the rights! All an end user gets, is a license to use the products in the specifics granted. All other rights will always remain with the content creators. That's the law. That's the way a court will judge it. Your opinion is just that, an opinion, but not a right. Just because you interpret something in error, will not help you make an arguement in court.
I agree with your view but my understanding of the license in effect when I purchased many models was the license I purchased allowed for 3D printing. The models I purchased are 3D models and get used in 3d printed images. Any modeling program that uses ray tracing is printing in 3d. Under the new UELA it would be forbidden for me to create an image, scribed on copper sheeting or routed in to a wood panel. I have made personalized name plates for neighbors and relatives where I printed out an image, used contact cement to hold it in place on copper sheeting or in two cases pine boards then used carving knives on the wood or score markers on the copper to transfer the images. Under this new UELA I would no longer be able to do that without contacting DAZ and getting individual permissions. I am sorry but the ability or right to do something doesn't make it a right thing to do.
Richard put it well and This is worth repeating. The content creator owns all the rights! All an end user gets, is a license to use the products in the specifics granted. All other rights will always remain with the content creators. That's the law. That's the way a court will judge it. Your opinion is just that, an opinion, but not a right. Just because you interpret something in error, will not help you make an arguement in court.
I agree with your view but my understanding of the license in effect when I purchased many models was the license I purchased allowed for 3D printing. The models I purchased are 3D models and get used in 3d printed images. Any modeling program that uses ray tracing is printing in 3d. Under the new UELA it would be forbidden for me to create an image, scribed on copper sheeting or routed in to a wood panel. I have made personalized name plates for neighbors and relatives where I printed out an image, used contact cement to hold it in place on copper sheeting or in two cases pine boards then used carving knives on the wood or score markers on the copper to transfer the images. Under this new UELA I would no longer be able to do that without contacting DAZ and getting individual permissions. I am sorry but the ability or right to do something doesn't make it a right thing to do.
The licenses I recall all specified 2D images, not 3D (not that the idea really existed initially in any event). The new EULA relaxes the restriction by allowing non-commercial 3D prints. A render to a 2D format, that isn't part of a stack of 2D images for building a solid out of laminated layers, is 2D not 3D and isn't affected by the change in the EULA.
It seem like they drop a new EULA on us every couple of months and it's only after you've bought something that you find out about it.
The 3D printed objects deal seems to be confiscatory, like the quarry trying to tell a sculptor what he can do with their rock. I've always wanted to turn some or my characters into statuettes but I won't waste my money on a 3D printer now. Since I've got about half a terrabyte of stuff, mostly from DAZ, some from Renderosity etc. accumulated over the last decade or so I won't be starting something new to come up with FREE content (not cost wise, but unencumbered by restrictions with what I can do with it.) however as I say, corporate greed is sucking all the fun out of this hobby so I may find something else to waste my time on.
(Merged. Please look to see if your proposed topic is already in discussion rather than start a new one. Thank you.)
Actually, a really good analogy for the current 3D situation would be the early 20th century battle over motion picture rights. For those unfamiliar with those events: in the mid-1900's Thomas Edison claimed that, as the holder of the American patents on the motion picture process, no one could produce movies without acquiring a license from the Edison Manufacturing Company (or it's successor, the Motion Picture Patents Company.) Besides the fact that Edison did not, in fact, invent the motion picture and the validity of his patents have historically proved questionable, it's generally agreed that the ultimate effect of Edison's efforts to enforce his patents were to; 1.) drive the production of feature motion pictures outside the U.S., where it pushed Germany into the leading position of film production throughout the 1910-20s, 2.) drive the majority of independent film producers from the East coast of the U.S., where Edison's New Jersey-based patent enforcers had become notorious for their aggressive tactics, to southern California where the courts were less willing to enforce Edison's claims, leading to the creation of Hollywood as we know it, and 3.) ended up in the collapse of Edison's own film production company when rival producers and inventors combined their own patents, effectively turning the tables when Edison's own patents began to expire.
The sad part of the whole thing is that the primary reason Edison's efforts turned out so disastrously was his insistence that licenses for films were to be paid based on film length, thereby gaining him the maximum dollars for what was then the primary form of films, one reel shorts, which were shown in theaters owned by Edison's partners. Instead, what he achieved was making feature film production and distribution less feasible for U.S. producers, and it wasn't until the advent of Talkies, where the actors obviously had to be speaking in English for English markets, and the worsening political situation in Europe as the events preceding WW2 began to unroll, that American film production companies actually began to outperform what was being done overseas. Had he opted instead to simply sell cameras, or even licenses under less restrictive policies, he would ultimately have made far more money and we might still be using Edison motion picture products to this day.
Likewise, with 3D printing I think that the companies that will ultimately end up profiting from this new technology are those that take the long view and work towards minimizing the over regulation of the adaption of their existing product lines into the new work flows.
It is. The rights all belong to the maker of the item, or to DAZ if it's a buyout from a PA. The EULA grants some rights to the end-user, within limits. Those limits have now been extended to include non-commercial 3D printing. How commercial 3D printing will be handled we don't yet know.
Well, if the free gift DAZ sent me is an example of the state of the art in 3D printing, this is a total non-issue.
She's roughly 1/12 scale, a "large" figure in DAZ's pricing. I compared it to a few figures on the same scale in my collection, ranging from cast resin to German porcelain. The 3D print is cruder than anything else in my collection, but 2-3x the price of a much higher quality resin, about the same price as a Kaiser porcelain, where there's no comparison of the quality.
DAZ is trying to rewrite their EULA to cash in on a market where there won't be any sales, and the bad will they're generating is 100x the dollar volume of what they're going to make selling figures.
I believe the expression is "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
The post right above mine by Cybersox13 illustrates a terrific example of Edison doing that in the motion picture industry.