Vintage Carriages 1 - Barouche & Police Wagon
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So how do I attach a horse?
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There is a bench for one to sit on
So my horse rides while I push?
Haha, these are really nice visually, but how are they any good without a harness?
Using the one from the Horse-Drawn Carriage (with a shipload of editing) might work?!? Or the one from The Vintage Sleigh maybe? And there's also one or two at Renderosity that might be able to be adapted...
But yeah, selling horse drawn carriages with out harnesses and whatnots looks a bit fishy... probably we get them as another PC+ produkt... like "Add-on for Vintage Carriages 1", like it has been with quite a few other PC+ produkts already, that came as very basic produkts, whose full functionality only was achieved after buying one or more add-ons.
Far as I'm concerned, without including harnesses it's not a finished product. At least I won't be making more work for the Daz people by sending it back for a refund.
Conforming harnesses are a fair bit of work, but they should at least include the wooden poles that connect the carriage to the harness, so that we can use an existing harness.
These must be those new-fangled horseless carriages we've been hearing about.
I agree, they are and I appreciate it but a carriage with no way for the horse to pull it is like a boat with no sail. It just sits there.
I actually like the product as far as it goes; but without the poles (which would be a normal part of the carriage itself) it is nearly useless. I'm not sure how that oversight ever made it through Q&A.
Probably it managed to slip through the extensive Q&A procedure like all those oversights we got in the last time with too many products... Q&A can't keep up with all the stuff thrown unto the market obviously. Probably lack of workforce and/or imagination, as many problems occur if things are used by customers in a different than a "static out of the box" way. Like with other as "basic" poses for example for clothing. Or with horses attached in the case of these carriages. They sure look great standing as decoration at the side of a victorian London street
No harness/pole would not be a QA issue - it's a design decision.
QA tests if the product works, not if the product design makes sense. If it did test that quite a few outfits currently in the store would never have been released.
So the conclusion has to be that DAZ is ready to publish products with faulty design?
Missing harness is understandable, but the pole is essential part of the carriage, without it it's like a car without steering wheel or a drive shaft.
It's because everyone is used to horse-drawn carriages in a tractor configuration. The carriages in this product are built in a pusher configuration.
According to the file list, there are poses for G8M included, but the What's Included makes no mention of them. And the file structure gives no clue as to who made this.
Not sure what you are trying to say with the "pusher configuration."
A barouche is a large, open, four-wheeled carriage, both heavy and luxurious, drawn by two horses. Any images that you look at, that don't have the necessary accessories for the horses, are carriages on display; not for actual use.
The promo even has the hind-end of a horse right in front of the cart.
The creator is clearly shown on the main ReadMe page...
It's a joke. Only airplanes come in pusher/tractor configuration.
Anyway, the product comes with wireframe renders and no extra parts are depicted. The horse in the first render is not connected to the carriage. It's a set of static props sold "as is". Can't be returned as broken or unfinished because it's described as "2 Stand-alone props".
$3.49 with PC discount but not very useful with no way of attaching the horse, so... *shrugs*
Thanks. I tend to look at texture or data folders for names by default when the product page only says "Daz Originals". Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.
Well Jack is certainly more than capable of modelling a few poles. I can only guess that he missed them out as he was concerned people would then expect to see the harness to attach the poles to.
Actually looking closely at the models and especially the front bar, it looks like there should be one central pole that would go between a pair of horses and other straps from the harness would be attached to the vertical knobs on on the fron bars.
so if I google barouche I get a lot of pictures with no horse. They seem identical to the product. It seems the poles or center "T" attach to the small knobs on the front cross bar. Maybe someone could make a product add on? Still it needs to be possible to marry it to the horses.
I didnt actually create the product... I just ended up packing/uploading the product.
In the past, when I've done carriages, the harness was always a nightmare so the decision was taken to just ship as it is. I'll see if we can get something commissioned though.. but spoiler alert there is another pack coming out in the same form.
Is there any hope of getting a harness rigged for a centaur?
...meaning "With no way to attach a horse (or two) to the vehicle"?!?
On the other hand one shouldn't be surprised about this. I mean, lots of 3D cars come without a motor, right?
Yes, the harness certainly is challenging, but the pole isn't.
Sure, making one with a primitive is simple but getting the textures to match the rest of the carriage is not.
If Daz offered a more or less universal horse harness for Daz Horse 2, I would buy it in a heartbeat. There is such a lot of nice carriages in the shop whose lack of harnesses were the only reason why I didn‘t buy them. Same with Barouche & Police Wagon.
Would something like this be of any use?
I am no expert, but that looks good.