Webp nonsense is annoying
akmerlow
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Personally, i often re-save my works from my daz gallery back when from different device, or when reuploading to other places.
But lately i notice that some of them do not come up as jpg or png anymore, but as .webp
I don't want having MY images in that questionable format that isn't accepted by 95% of software that exists since jpg and png were born.
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Might be, but webp is the common or say more advanced web format used by sites/CDN. You can always convert those webp files. Thankfully Mac finder quicklook does nowadays display webp without problems.
I feel your pain. But I can't remember Daz ever changing how they did things just because customers didn't like it.
Are there converters that can deal with files inside subfolders? E.g. if i have 10 different folders, so i dont convert each folder step by step, but the whole directory?
IrfanView does that and a whole lot more plus it is free :)
I don't particularly recommend it, because the WebP files have been recompressed, lost a lot of quality and had another set of compression artefacts added, which I think is an insane approach for an art site that's trying to promote its products.
I wouldn't care quite so much if it were possible to upload as WebP to begin with and avoid the site recompressing it, but no, the site refuses WebP uploads.
No - it's just not a good idea to download from the Daz website for the purposes of uploading elsewhere; each time the file is compressed, data is lost. Either use another site if you want to do that kind of thing, or go back to your original files.
It's not DAZ that converts them, maybe Cloudflare? If you disable webp in Firefox e.g., it will download the original jpg.
AFAIK pngs are not being messed with, so I use to upload in that format.
I agree its silly, if the original was webp it would be OK, but converting jpg to webp before download, which is usually what happens, makes no sense.
Which is weird cause at least png should stay lossless as it is.
I've tried to download a couple of png I uploaded to the forum, they download as png but are a few KB smaller, which is odd. Jpgs though are being recompressed when you upload to the forums, probably to save space. Not sure about the gallery which I rarely use.
Another free image manager "XnView" (classic) in the "Batch Processing" menu option has a way also. I think. I do know that you can browse & select a list of full paths to where the files are and you can also specify to save the converted file into the original path and optionally to delete the original file. HOWEVER, I haven't actually had occasion to use it that way I've always had all my files in a single folder. But it does convert lists of images quite nicely. Been using XnView for that type of stuff for years and years.
XnView: https://www.xnview.com/en/xnview/
WebP is the new standard which will replace the old GIF, JPEG and PNG, it's smaller than JPEG for the same quality.
Not always, I've seen jpgs that became 50% larger after being converted.
It depends if you set a higher quality than the original image, the compression is lower.
For example :
Original JPEG is 69.5 KB (Quality: 77%)
Webp even shows thumnails on my Win10 and opens with Image Magic so not a big issue
There is no need for such basic things as images to demand "modern" software if jpg etc. can be opened with anything from early 00s. What's next, replace .txt with some newly-fashioned format that is pushed?
txt websites no longer exist
HyperText Markup Language (HTML) is the standard. WebP (image) and WebM (video) are designed to improve internet.
Same as MP4 replaced FLV, RealVideo/RealMedia, ASF/WMV and QuickTime MOV/3GP
Well, perhaps. Battle between internet-only people and offline-people begin
Joking.
p.s.
This article might be revelant to some
https://pagepipe.com/dont-use-webp-image-format
Offline people will slowly disappear because Windows will become 100% online like ChromeOS.
As for "quality" question. I know that certain circles consider .jp2 the best for that specific aspect. But that's pretty opposite from what Web needs.
https://pagepipe.com/dont-use-webp-image-format/ ;
Went there. . .weren't there.
Well, site itself is kinda questionable and i won't dare click any links from it, but overall article seemed curious.
p.s.
You have same bug as me? with " ;" added to links
Yes, but I can't control the compression rate when I download pictures from a website, which was the case here.
The thumbnails in the Product Library are :
100% jpg quality is also way too much, usually Product Library pictures are 85% which is fine, and less than 300 KB. But I guess that's just another area where DAZ let PAs do what they like.
There is an extension for Google called Save Image As Type that will let you save a webp image as .jpg or .png on the fly.
Yes, but i moved to Edge as my main and up-to-date browser now. I still keep firefox on this machine too, but it's 2015 old version that i have for flash compability and other legacy cases. DAZ Gallery doesn't work on it (images never load).
I'm still considering this all situation. For now, i installed webp plugin so my XnView opens them, but i don't see thumbnails in windows explorer, for example.
I wouldn't put it past them. I live in Canada where the public broadcaster is quick to jump on the latest trends (and in the process they abandon all hope and reasoning IMO) and where newspaper and major media sites are just as bad.
This discussion reminds me of the many JPEG variants that are listed in some software (just in case??? Heh) but that you also don't see anyplace else.
I like GIF as it is easy to insert a pesky watermark or "comment", authorship info etc. which I think is difficult to remove. Of course I go back to CompuServe so that makes me weird I suppose!
Hey "appers"... got your ears on? When a file manager says "it wants permission" to access (and possibly modify) your files in order to do conversions or add proprietary (?) tags or whatever, is that a very short term reference and understanding, or is it being stated in some sort of, possibly European Union-mandated, broader context where the foreign parent of already-multinational XYZ Corp. wants to have permanent access to your intellectual property, for ever and ever?
Didn't used to be a problem in Windows ― although with the advent of the "Microsoft Store" and partnerships who knows? ― but it happens all the time in Android which (in case you didn't know) was a turn-of-the-century OS.
Example: I like playing a Swiss game of 2D, on-line billiards. Google/Alphabet Corp. is partners with them but quite separately they keep warning me that the pool "app" is gathering data in the background, eg. that I might want to think twice about having the program on my device.
It's also not readily apparent, but like Ebay the pool app also goes to some lengths to prevent peer-to-peer communication outside of the parent's purview. And AFAIK the only viable competitor appears to be based in China. Wonderful.
i despise webp. i save tho whole promo page as html. it saves the jpgs. and other garbage i delete after saving.
...so this explains all the "broken graphics" icons I'm seeing lately in posts, particularly on images liked to from the galleries.
...so basically our PCs will become little more than glorified "terminals" all jacked into some central worldwide "matrix" (a term from a cyberpunk role play game I am involved with). Sounds like a decker's hacker's dream.
I do all my Daz work in offline mode to conserver system resources. the downside anything being fully dependent of online mode will always be connect speed, monthly download limits, and in some cases, situations like weather, atmospheric conditions, and bandwidth saturation.
I'm sure you also watched those movies with Keanu Reeves...
And yest, internet and online-only is very fragile substance. Just look how many sites died (even webarchive cant save everything) and plenty of stuff doesnt exist anymore.
Sure, things on PC can also disappear. Nothing is bulletproof.