Webp nonsense is annoying

kyoto kid

...oh crikey, we had those as well and yes reliability, was not the best.  Remember "LapLInk"? We used that a lot to move files between different workstations. 

[Apologies for the derail into ancient computing]

memcneil70

A few years ago when this came up before, someone posted a link to 'something' that allowed you when you right clicked an image from say a promo, to select 'save as a .png' and I have been using it ever since. But for the life of me I can't remember where it came from. I thought it was the add-on Sauron for dark web pages, but I am not sure. Maybe someone else knows? And this may not even be answering the concerns of the initial OP, so I apologise.

Roman_K2

I never really got going with tape backup - Travan et al - or "Bernoulli boxes". My most recent disk purchase was a USB floppy drive!

Of recent I it has occurred to me that smaller hard drives may be more efficient that larger ones... I'm talking 3.5 inches vs. 5.25 inches, ergo a smaller overall box means there is a smaller motor inside, perhaps requiring less energy and generating less excess heat.

I only have one, 3.5 inch, SSD and -- hopefully this is just a coincidence -- DAZ Studio does not run on it.

I didn't know that there were or are de facto subsets of USENET occasioned by different server... connections and distribution?

There used to be this hack on CompuServe in the early 1990's where, if you listed the first hundred or so USENET "groups" by name ― which for most people would display in a monospaced "Courier" type of font ― the string "Jerry Garcia" would scroll out vertically in a sort of decorative, serif, bold Roman font made out of asterisks. Ergo someone had gone to the trouble of creating a sequence of long, fake group names, each name having lots of spaces and asterisks and so on in just the right place. I have a screenshot of this saved somewhere - possibly on an old floppy diskette.

(Edited for spelling and I tried to better explain my theory of disk drive sizes)

Gordig

Long after I'd abandoned floppy disks for regular use, I ended up getting some with a USB drive so that I could load custom sounds onto a Kurzweil synth module.

Noah LGP

Floppy disk, CD, DVD, USB key, USB drive... and now cloud drive.

Soon download files will be outdated, everything will be used from the servers.

 

Next level : Daz Studio Cloud service (best graphic cards and no DIM/Daz Connect/Daz Central)

Torquinox

LeatherGryphon said:

Torquinox said:

Taoz said:

Considering how much bandwidth youtube is using I don't think google has a good case when appealing to save bandwidth.

That's streaming bandwidth vs. page load time. Web images must balance file size and image quality.

Hmmm... considering that since the beginning of time (1995) we've been forced to buy faster and bigger storage machines because of image requirements, it seems that that might have been the goal all along!   i.e. make 'em pony up for more hardware.    At one time I was happy with 10mbs LAN and 64MB RAM.  Heck, before that, I was as happy as a pig in poo, with no LAN and no images.

I suppose there is something to the notion of image size and disc space storage. Certainly, my RAW photos from pictures I've taken occupy an enormous amount of disc space. Music and video take up plenty, too. And let's not start about the size of our Daz content libraries. But there is also software bloat. It's routine for new versions of older software to have ever-higher hardware demands to keep the procurement treadmill spinning at maximum rpms. Supposedly, we're getting greater output from that increase, and maybe we are. But eventually we'll get kicked off the treadmill.

Mistara

i use the promo jpg to keep track of my content.  i consider it part of the purchase price.

so fed up with the hoops to get the jpg, its easier to just not buy the thing.

kyoto kid

Noah LGP said:

Floppy disk, CD, DVD, USB key, USB drive... and now cloud drive.

Soon download files will be outdated, everything will be used from the servers.

 

Next level : Daz Studio Cloud service (best graphic cards and no DIM/Daz Connect/Daz Central)

...that's when I'm done here.

Already crossed Octane off my list because it went subscription.

Connect speed, and for some, download limits, will be the bottleneck, not the hardware.

I'll just plod along with my Daz 4.12.0.47. what I have in my library, along with whatever and Rendo and CGTrader still put out as wel las what I can model in Blender.

Torquinox said:

I suppose there is something to the notion of image size and disc space storage. Certainly, my RAW photos from pictures I've taken occupy an enormous amount of disc space. Music and video take up plenty, too. And let's not start about the size of our Daz content libraries. But there is also software bloat. It's routine for new versions of older software to have ever-higher hardware demands to keep the procurement treadmill spinning at maximum rpms. Supposedly, we're getting greater output from that increase, and maybe we are. But eventually we'll get kicked off the treadmill.

...+1. 

The one nice thing about painting was the only time you needed to purchase something was if you ran out of canvas, paints, watercolour paper, or a brush wore out.  There was no "tech curve" to force it.

kyoto kid

Roman_K2 said:

I never really got going with tape backup - Travan et al - or "Bernoulli boxes". My most recent disk purchase was a USB floppy drive!

Of recent I it has occurred to me that smaller hard drives may be more efficient that larger ones... I'm talking 3.5 inches vs. 5.25 inches, ergo a smaller overall box means there is a smaller motor inside, perhaps requiring less energy and generating less excess heat.

I only have one, 3.5 inch, SSD and -- hopefully this is just a coincidence -- DAZ Studio does not run on it.

I didn't know that there were or are de facto subsets of USENET occasioned by different server... connections and distribution?

There used to be this hack on CompuServe in the early 1990's where, if you listed the first hundred or so USENET "groups" by name ― which for most people would display in a monospaced "Courier" type of font ― the string "Jerry Garcia" would scroll out vertically in a sort of decorative, serif, bold Roman font made out of asterisks. Ergo someone had gone to the trouble of creating a sequence of long, fake group names, each name having lots of spaces and asterisks and so on in just the right place. I have a screenshot of this saved somewhere - possibly on an old floppy diskette.

(Edited for spelling and I tried to better explain my theory of disk drive sizes)

...I still remember loading tape drives.  Somewhere in a box I have a bunch of 5.25" as well as 3.5" floppies.   Also remember using 8" floppies.

In the student flat I lived in back in the mid 80s we had seveal computers, a Sinclair, a 48K Apple ][ (with dual single side 5.25" disk drives), an Atari 800, and a C64 with cassette tape drive.

Of course LeatherGryphon has us all beat. He was programming while I was still messing around with RC model aeroplanes and model rockets. 

Taoz

bytescapes said:

I'm old enough to have been a heavy Usenet user back-in-the-day. I hadn't really thought of it as a place for long-term storage. Even if something you posted was still in the spool at some providers, the trick could be finding it again.

Fairly easy IMO - just note what group you have posted it in plus date and subject, then it's easy to find with a newsreader.  How much that is getting lost because of file corruption and disk problems on the servers over the years is hard to tell though. 
 

I'm not convinced that Usenet was that US-centric. Certainly, I met a number of non-US users through the groups that I frequented (and those were English-language groups; there were also a lot of language- or country-specific groups). What it was, however, was academic-centric: universities tended to get Usenet and make it available to students and faculty for free, so a lot of users tended to have a university affiliation of some kind.

Our local language text groups were very popular here in Denmark, and some are still very active. 
 

I think of Usenet as being a little like RSS or IRC -- a useful technology that has fallen out of fashion, perhaps in part because it's decentralized and so the big tech companies can't control it or mine it for data in the same way as they can with their own products.

Probably true. 

Torquinox

kyoto kid said:

The one nice thing about painting was the only time you needed to purchase something was if you ran out of canvas, paints, watercolour paper, or a brush wore out.  There was no "tech curve" to force it.

Agreed! 

Roman_K2

I just got caught up with the webp issue on the web page of the New York Times. A page one item has images from old 1940's or 1950's microfilm... so ok, if I click to "enlarge" the image of the microfilmed record it is barely readable (similar to using microfilm machines in a reference library or archives) and various tags suggest we are back to JPEG, but Windows 10 seems to save stories in a slightly different way than Windows 7 did, and the secondary "folder" for images and CSS etc. is not present, and neither are the images.

If I "force" a save of the "enlarged" information as JPEG Windows 10 accepts that information enough to display it off-line, but image editors reject the file!!!

So IMO they've really got you jumping through hoops, especially for people with low vision and/or reduced ability to dance around the added constraints.

Decoyboy

I don't like this webp thing, and I don't really know all about the technical stuff, but I simply open up internet explorer 11 which I still have on my computer and go to the image and I am able to save it as a .jpeg