Windows 11 is Groovy!
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Windows 11 is Groovy!
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Isn't "Groove" what they used to call their music store?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eji8obIOjI
Groovy is one of my favourite words - I really hope Win-11 is groovy or even groovus - I'm in the process of pricing a new system ... but certain components are still a bit out there (though I could hang on with transferring my current GC for a bit longer as it's still got decent performance).
Groovus Maximus
Eyecandy aside, what have they improved if anything?
And more importantly, what did they screw up this time?
I really hated it when they introduced the metro UI a few years back, but there's gladly some options and programs to tune that way down nowadays. Sadly, the metro UI also broke several third party UI plugins I used before. So I want to see some critical end-user reviews (so not the ones from gadgeteer early access shills) before even considering to ever "upgrade".
Coverage of Windows11 by ARS is pretty good. Here's their general review, and there will be more detailed reporting soon about it's impact on such things as security, gaming etc. The ARS quick summary:
I get the feeling that it's something you'll want, but maybe not right away. Give it a year to mature if you can. Windows11 may have been rushed out to meet the upcoming Xmas buying season and there are promised features which haven't made it into the initial release. I think the new taskbar changes will be an annoyance for many users. I'm reserving judgement for now.
As a favor to those of us who haven't jumped on that particular bandwagon yet, can those of you who have installed Windows 11 tell us if there has been any issues with DAZ Studio or Hexagon (since this is that forum, after all) since the upgrade?
I know that I, for one, am very keen to know about any potential issues BEFORE I take the plunge.
There is an app called "PC Health Check" and it lets you know if your system is compatible with Windows 11. Unfortunately, my CPU is not, which indicates to me the hardware needs to be newer.. which I certainly cannot afford at the moment.. buying a larger SSD about broke the bank for me.
I stopped updating win10 for plenty of reasons, so if i ever get win11 it would be when i get new pc alltoghether.
And i still have win7 on older laptop.
And Bryce isn't only "legacy" software i still use constantly.
Well Windows 10 support won't officially end until 14th October 2025 so there's no rush . Still waiting for the 'killer' reason to upgrade (other than security which I have turned on in my Windows 10 setup anyway)
From the early news I heard about Windows 11's new requirements, there was something pertaining to the CPU which might require enabling something in the BIOS. But, better ask a specialist (one who doesn't have any interest in selling you an entirely new computer) about that part.
Windows 11 requires the CPU to have a TPM (Trusted Platform Module). This is hardware. The other security feature is Secure Boot which can be enabled in the BIOS if the motherboard supports it (and isn't already on).
Looking at the image Raspberri posted their CPU doesn't have a TPM. There are ways to install Windows 11 without having either of these security features but Microsoft have been making some sweeping statements like 'We won't provide security updates to people who do this'. Whether this comes to pass only time will tell but probably best to wait a while.
Sounds like it's all about eyecandy for those who are interested in such...
I installed it and am using it. The good news: DazStudio as much as every program (Adobe CC, MS Office, a couple of games and system tools) I've tried so far just works.
The bad news: In my opinion W11 doesn't bring anything new to the table. Instead it lacks features you might be used to, such as a taskbar at the top, left or right monitor side. It is fixed at the bottom.
Furthermore I experienced my first Blue Screen (Black Screen nowadays) since Win7. And there are a couple of minor but annoying problems as well. For example W11 doesn't like multi display setups. When you have your taskbar enabled on all monitors, and are playing a game in full screen mode the Explorer crashes and restarts regularly after 15 or 20 seconds. It was a well documented problem in the Insider builds but persists after official release.
The Explorer on my side monitors doesn't like right mouse button clicks and "loses" them. You need to be very exact to use them.
These are minor niggles, but things like these shouldn't have happened in an official release.
If you are no PC nerd I'd just wait for several weeks or maybe half a year until MS solves these problems. For the moment I feel that W11 is as unnecessary as Windows ME was.
My system: Intel i9 9900k, 64 GB Ram, RTX3090. Three displays, 4k in the middle, Full HD left and a pivoted 1280 to the right.
In my "girls gone wild" days, one of my computer science professors noted that anything done in hardware could also be implemented in software, although it would be slower. If that's the case then whatever this TPM thing is should also be something that could be implemented in software. It wouldn't be the first time a CPU security feature was emulated by the Windows operating system. I can't remember the name of the example I was thinking of, but I think it was related to the separation of things in memory so apps can't access memory used by other apps. Surely a software implementation would be vulnerable to "rootkits" if those are still around. But then if some virus has gotten root access, this TPM thing probably won't help anyway.
My main point is, if the hardware has enough speed and memory to run the operating system, there shouldn't be any nonsense about not meeting hardware requirements.
Things I've seen from the web about Windows 11;
The UI looks a lot like KDE's "Plasma" DE (Desktop Environment) with bits of Gnome mixed(centered docker panel/taskbar) in.
The iconography is a mixed bag also. Very reminiscent of older linux desktops.
Much like KDE, most everything is now a "widget".
The new Windows 11 file manager has a memory leak, or rather it doesn't release memory as efficiently as it should.Microsoft hasn't officially acknowledged this problem yet.
The context menu(right click) has been "Simplified" and requires a registry hack to enable any semblance of usefulness.The taskbar context menu now has 1 option "Taskbar Settings"
Start menu has been re-skinned,again,breaking the search function for some users.Other users are reporting that it freezes up and becomes non-functional.
Various items and menus have been renamed and relocated/removed.
The "Hot New Feature" seems to be a KDE feature called "Grid"(circa 2009 IIRC)or "Kwin Tilling" depending on how old your version of KDE is. When you have more that one window open you can have them snap and tiled out to different layouts(very much like a comic book page layout) so they don't overlap. Not sure if they also integrated the KDE window manager feature that lets you "bump" a window into the edge of the monitor to auto tile open windows or not. Also looks like W11 has multiple virtual desktops, just like KDE/Gnome and other linux DE.Though I think there was an WIN-XP powertoy that had this feature, so not new.
Android apps don't run on the official release version, though I've read that they did run on one of the betas.
In summary, if I didn't know better, I would say this was a "Gnome Plasma" beta release from a linux distro that was just starting up and rehashing old features with their version of "simplified".All built on current version kernel and underlying software.
All W11 is missing is a centralized way of installing/updating all the software from a secure repository.(i.e. a package manager) and it would be indistinguishable from any other linux distro except that it runs most windows software by default.
I, personally, don't see any anything in W11 that would make me want to switch to it.
I won't call it an upgrade.
It isn't.
I'm going to give it a year at least before upgrading.
"PC Nerds" know better, not to jump on the new and 'improved' MS wagon until 1-2 years has passed after the release.
No thanks. I don't want the additional performance hit or added security.
With the Windows experience says that "new" and "improved" are often contradictionary. Per usual it starts being improved for real after it's no longer new.
+1
Edit: On the other hand, maybe W10 will mature during the remaining years to 'usable'
Oh dear, I've installed it.
Some PC Nerds have no choice if they make their living working and building PCs They have to learn the new OS, not Just Windows some of my clients have Linux or Unix systems.
Yes, they still have the Groove Music App even though the music store is gone.
Well to be honest I'm sort of too lazy to have investigated it much. The big change I'm really liking though is those "reams of digital pages" in the Windows 10 Settings areas have been neatly catagorized and collapsed into idices as expandable tabs to list the sub topics for the category. Same thing with the listings of available WiFi connections and so on throughout the UI. It seems marginally faster but don't hold my feet to the fire on that because if they really have significantly upped security it usually involves extra code checks that slows things down but of course also fixing broken code and removing excess code also speeds things up and increases security. Maybe Cortana has been made less active in the background too, that would speed things up and increase security.
What I don't like is I don't know where the recycle bin is anymore.
If you have an AMD Ryzen CPU and I think also an Intel CPU of new enough architecture then you can enable software TPM functionality for the CPU in the motherboard BIOS. On my Gigabyte B450 AM4 socket motherboard with a Ryzen 7 5700 CPU I enabled CPU software TPM in BIOS do see if it worked. It does but as you said is slower than having a specialized TPM 2.0 module plugged into your motherboard. I disabled it though as I have a specialized TPM 2.0 hardware module installed on my motherboard. Lucky for me I bought one and installed it already before the prices got jacked up and shortages happened. Hopefully the shortages are gone now though.
New laptops from HP I think all have build-in TPM 2.0 modules built into the motherboard. eg, my model from June 2020 released HP Pavilion laptop with an generation 9 i5 6 core CPU does.
I am using the latest Public Beta of DAZ Studio 4.15.0.xx and it works fine on Windows 11. However, unlike the other user, because I sold my nVidia 1650 Super GPU to upgrade my CPU to an Ryzen 7 5700 APU I don't have dual monitors anymore until I can get my hands on an RTX 3000 series GPU, so can't advise you on the blue screen problem he had. Sorry.
I feel your pain... I was responsible for all things computer in two of my previous jobs.
Ok, I upgraded Fresh Install installed Daz through DIM. Reloading all my content. Let ya know if I have a problem. Just Glad I have a win10 pro DVD just in case.