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For me it's not the matter of G9 invalidating the previous gens; I still use and buy items all the way to A3. The question is whether g9 will become my main generation to use or not...
If it does, then yes, it's going to be annoying not being able to use my favorite items from past generations, and I'm going to have to buy invaluable items like vascularity for the n'th time... which is not something I'm willing to do an unlimited amount of times and for some small changes.
If it doesn't, I'm going to keep using g8 as main, and again it's going to annoy the hell out of me when items come out that I'll want to use with g8, but will only work with g9. So there's no real win-win situation.
At the end of the day, I know I'm still going to use / buy stuff for it. However, if doesn't become my go-to gen, I'm going to be very selective with what I get and it's pretty much bargain bin all the way.
I have a 1080ti and it's still a pretty capable graphics card. I dont have anything near your experience using Daz. Latest Daz version startup takes around 5 seconds to startup, roughly the same as loading a g8 character.
Maybe your CPU is old?
I can at least answer this one: the split meshes mean that some stuff will always have limited flexibility. This is especially true for morphs, but there are also geografts, specialized textures, and clothing that require so much work to convert in a usable way that at some point you may as well just learn to make your own. For example, I've been trying to find a specific kind of belt with an accurate sword sheath for one of my characters. Belts often have awful results with autofit or even converters because they sit right on a very visible, large, flexible part of the figure, and even a custom character with a nonstandard shape can warp a belt that hasn't been fit for them. I need it for a main character, so it has to be detailed and high quality. The sheath hangs from the hip, so if it's going to move that makes conversion even trickier. These exist in a few G8F-specific accessory sets. They also exist for male characters--in Luthbel's G2 Wildenlander sets. I'm using a kitbashed "good enough" version while hoping that Wildenlander stuff is on Luthbel's list of sets to update, because I am many years from being as happy with something I could make.
One of the sets that has a belt like this is just a weapon set; there's nothing gender-coded about it. But I suspect it was made specifically for G8F because I've seen many PAs explain that the more complicated something is to make look good on a figure, generally the less return they get on the time and effort needed to make a male version. Certain types of monster or fantasy characters--which frequently rely on geografts and HD morphs that can't be easily transferred--either only exist for one figure or need two separate purchases to work on both. There are so many items that are aesthetically gender neutral that have to rely on autofit to work and need manual fixes or postwork every time they're used, which is an incredible pain when you need to use a character in lots of images. The more detail a high quality item has, like straps or fastenings, the more autofit turns them into putty.
The unified mesh means that even if vendors continue to mostly make G9 items designed for feminine characters, they likely no longer need to choose whether to spend extra labor on making a version of the same item with a proper fit for a separate figure. It may even mean that we'll get more high-quality items designed for masculine characters if rigging and weight mapping only has to be done once to work for every character. I would be interested to hear PAs' thoughts on this!
I'm actually completely in favor of this even if it means replacing most of my existing items with G9-specific versions, because if it works well it means I never have to worry about whether something I buy will be flexible enough to use ever again. Anyone who starts building a library with G9 items won't have to worry about it and will not have to spend hours trying to find solutions to issues. They may not have to spend extra money buying converters for F and M figures for each generation if those become a thing down the line. Content creators buying merchant resource skins and morph packs can probably use them to make any kind of character. It erases a lot of future debt caused by the figure split.
However, I have been told so many times that either Daz would never do a unified mesh again ever because it would break backwards compatibility (so it's an absurd thing to want) or that anyone who is okay with breaking backwards compatibility for greater functionality wants everyone to go broke and suffer...that I started saying backwards compatibility should be included if at all possible and promptly got people rolling their eyes at me for that, too. :V Well, it's cool that one impossible thing panned out!
Yes. Plenty of things like armors, weapons, workwear and businesswear that in theory should be easy to unisex... Except with split character bases they weren't and converting them between sexes never was fully working. There always was some distortion on them.
Based on things said earlier this year when DAZ was working on DS 5 for Apple O/S compatibility, it seems unlikely DS 5 will arrive before spring 2023.
@plasma_ring: interesting, thankyou!
When do the subsequent versions get released usually like Michael and Aiko? M9 will be released in a months time? 2 months?
Reclaiming RAM somehow sounds crashy to me. I'd probably try disable Norton completely and then check if Daz still crashes. Also I love this free little tool: https://windirstat.net It shows you what data fills up your drive. It's interesting to see particularly when a C drive gets full. A lot of it may be junk, temporary data from years ago etc.
Oh and also, have you tried changing the Windows swap (page) file to another drive? I imagine with only 16GB RAM it might be important that this file has enough space.
I see one big progress with G9, that I really like.
Bye, bye semi-toon base figure.
A wise approach imo.
Been revisiting aweSurface to start migrating away from nVidia GPU game. I wonder if there's even a a topic for 3DL that isn't necro! : 0 !
As for G9, preordering V9 seems a bit premature. (Noticed store ad this morning.) Wish they had its measurements and more renders. Closeup has size and density of facial pores looking a bit over the top for my tastes. "The grapefuit look" as I call it. Others might think closeup looks great.
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Shows how much I keep up with things. There's an updated version of "Voss Hair" ? That one goes back a ways doesn't it?
Yes, there seems to be no separate HD add-on anymore. It was presented as one of the highlights that HD morphs will be part of the base package. However, this is also reflected in the Genesis 9 pricing. But base price for Victoria 9 is still less than base price of Victoria 8.1 plus her HD add-on. So, if you intend to go mainly with HD, then the new generation is actually slightly better priced. If you could not care less for any HD features, it will be more expensive going with the new generation.
When they told, they were working to release the pre-Beta about a year ago, they said it would be bare bones with minimal functionality and they were trying to get it out before the year ended, and functionality would be added throughout this year. Then Apple helped them to get DS 4.xx working on Big-Sur and there was no hurry to get it out anymore in that state.
I think you are in the right ballpark with next spring, unless DAZ feels they need to get it out for the holidays, but so far there hasn't been any signs.
I have a GTX 1070 on a i7 4790K with 32GB RAM and DS 4.20 runs and renders just fine. I sometimes let it churn on a render while I work on my main PC.
Nothing was said about clones for older figures, but if there are none it will still be possible to convert to Genesis 8 then 8 to 9.
There is no indication that Genesis 9 will launch with only two swimsuits, so where is this coming from? The bundle says it will include outfits and hair, there is no reason to think it will be more limited than any other bundle.
The time was given as 16:00 Daz tiem, which is when it started. The video originally said it would start at 14:00 daz time (13:00 your time) and this was corrected, and what I was saying was incorrect.
Victoria 4, Genesis, and Genesis 2 had the same surface grouping. Genesis 3 and 8 also shared a different surface grouping. Genesis 9 has a ne grouping. When the grouping chnages it is not possible to simply remap the model to take older textures - they either need to be baked to new maps or something like the GeoGrafts used in recent tools need to be added to accomodate the overlaps..
Unless your issue is Duplicate Formulas, which are a clash between products and won't be fixed unless all content makers get very thorough about using unique names, then naming converntions have no real bearing on load times.
I don't know whether or not you are keeping your installation zips. In that case, your c drive will fill up QUICK. You can actually put ALL your files on another drive, including the installation zips, thumbnails, content and manifest files. If you click the cog in the upper right in DIM and choose "Advanced" you get 4 tabs. First, go to the "Downloads" tab. The first two things are "Package Archive" (your installation zips) and Thumbnail Archive. You can add a new path in these to an external or anything other than your C: drive :). Next, open the "Installation" tab. At the very top is "Manifest Archive". You can also designate a new place for those as well. And of course, as you already know, you can designate a path for your content at the bottom of that tab to another drive :). I apologize if I'm telling you something you already know...lol.
If it is still slow after moving all those things off your C drive, that tells me that your C drive might be starting to fail. How old is it?
$60 for a Genesis 9 character? Ouch. This is what Daz wants to establish as their standard price for the new generation? Wow.
I remember the G2 and G3 era when a new core character was something exciting. They were priced a bit above PA characters but often pushed the envelope and brought something new to the table. For G8 that trailed off effectively and their line became just another PA, despite Daz raising the typical price of their "core" characters.
And now this jump for G9. 60 bucks. Shake my head.
I realize that now HD is built into the character but:
Yes, there will sales to knock down G9's price but that was true for any of the previous generations too.
ColinFrench
Genesis 9 will be free like Genesis 8, Genesis 3 etc..
60$ is for Victoria 9.. a new character for Genesis 9 figure (like Victoria 8 was for Genesis 8)
You can not buy Vicotria 9 and use Genesis 9 anyway
When Jay autofitted a G8F item onto G9 I noticed the other options in the Auto fit drop-down list of clones. I spotted Genesis, G2F, G2M, G3F, G3M, G8F and G8M, so whilst we can not be certain that G9 will ship will all these clones on day 1, I rather suspect that it will.
Yep, so Gen9 will be free & Vicky 9 will have it's price but I still cannot come over the fact that I should pay $80 or $50 more than the base figure for a bundle I know nothing about apart from the two freebies included. Heck even the recent Mystery Grab Bag listed the number of items and some of the PAs. Cannot buy "them" based on nothing.
yeag I assume they don't know what is going to be included because everybody is working hard to finish the products. Just wait until it is known : )
I think this also means, that we need to wait another 2-4 years for THE new generation we were hoping to get.
I'm very much looking forward to G9. 8.1 always felt weird and wrong. I'm sure there's a good reason they needed to do it. For example, it gave them some intel on how the hive mind would respond. It might have been just a money grab as well. I don't know. I never stopped shopping for G8 and I never walked away from G8.1 content so it didn't change anything for me.
Daz supports all the way back to V3 so nothing is lost there. You have some new options for a figure. Otherwise it's business as usual.
Can't wait to see what our amazing PAs can do with this.
I think the comment (probably in jest) is derived from Jay's video statement that preorder gets you that free summer bikini and that there is also another bikini in the bundle. Since we were told that the bundle includes clothing, and no other clothing was mentioned or demonstrated in the video, that info was extrapolated.
Ah, I see. As she is apparently a Highland lass I certainly hope she has something a bit warmer to wear.
Curious to know what everyone thinks of Genesis 9 vs Metahuman in terms of realism. Personally I prefer the skin and hair of Metahuman but the geometry of G9 looks better (at a cursory glance at least). I really hope we get some improvements to the base skin shader in DAZ. 8K textures is nice but all the pores in the world won't fix plastic-looking skin.