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from a business perspective, why would they? it would hurt users jumping on the G9 bandwagon if G9 assets can be easily used on previous generations. Trying thinking of it from a business perspective and not a hobby/user perspective. Eventually PAs will make this happen, it just takes time
Indeed. This is why PAs like SickleYield focus on stuff that they know that the customers want but that DAZ3D as a company would be reluctant to market.
I don't follow the logic. Surely what matters is whether hobyists spend money? This is how I feel:
Expecing people to move on day one when there is almost no product support is unrealistic and both Daz and PAs are losing my business specifically because of this issue. When G8 was new, it was common to offer both G3 and G8 support. I haven't spoken to anyone outside of Daz that feels any different to me. And that includes someone that makes a living selling content.
For example, I used to buy every OOT hair product. The last two I haven't because they are useless to me; they are G9 only and I don't use G9. It's sad, I like the hair, and I wish OOT had not done that. The decision cost them two sales, and probably a lot more, but I guess I don't mind too much. It's not like I don't have a lot of hair already.
So why don't I move?
Actually, I will follow this up with something slightly OT. I got so fed up with feeling that I was being overcharged becasue I live in Europe that I stopped buying anything that wasn't a new release. I know that sounds mad, but it felt like I was paying the same price as everyone else. Now, I can't do that because of G9, so I stopped spending completely. I had a "please come back we miss you" email!
I still see PLENTY of G8 and G8.1 in the Store, and not just old products.
Over at the other store are more G8 and G8.1 products than G9.
So there won't be a shortage anytime soon, in my humble opinion.
I embrace G9, but i also still love G3 and G8 / 8.1 :)
Certainly characters, but I have enough characters! I guess what isn't happening much is stuff that's cross-generation. I'd idly wondered if that was harder to do this time due to the radically different geometry, but whatever the reason, what I said stands from my perspective. Cross generation support is a major selling point and G9 only means I won't buy it.
I contacted Daz for something else recently but took the opportunity to feed that back. So I'm happy I've done what i can.
So being able to sell your G9 clothes, hair, poses and whatevers - excluding figures maybe - would HURT your sales as a PA, while MORE people would be interest in your stuff, as they could use it not only with new figures (for which they would have to use some of their budget) but also with their old generation figures, to which they are used and which they might have been using in their projects (so not only hobbyists, but comic writers and artists that make a living from doing covers for books) which makes them inclined to use the same old figures to their work continous from the optical aspects?!?
So from a BUSINESS perspective, most PAs and even DAZland should find a way to use G9 poses on previous Generation ASAP to not miss out on sales. And if the PAs that concentrate on making figures want to maximise their income, they should pray for someone coming up with a G9 to G8 Character Converter...
From my perspective, Daz has made adoption of Genesis 9 relatively painless by giving me a $10 off coupon for V9 and intro clothing prices of over 60% with minimal hoop-jumping/double-punching. Since G8 cured me of collecting characters and clothes, this---along with Daz' new bundle structure---has killed bundle buying for me, and I only buy the characters/clothes I KNOW I want (other than the Bachel. Mega which, at $12.87, I bought only for Casey the male character and the sofa from Nabdean Apt).
I also got five 8.1 characters from my (severely character-pruned) wishlist at around $3 each; so, the non-adopters have a great sales option for today, although a product carousel under the ad copy would have made it jump out more (I almost missed it).
Unfortunately, the pattern has been pretty consistent so far: in order to get the better deals on the older product, DAZ marketing is tying those discounts into purchases of specific new products that are overwhelmingly G9 centric. Of course, DAZ did the same thing with 8.1 (and 8 before it,) but at least the majority of those products could work on G8 and G3, whereas most of the G9 product coming out is not.
It's so encouraging to hear I'm not the only one that's felt like this.Good point here too. I'm not going to buy something I can't use to get an offer on something I can!
I feel sad that PAs specifically on this site have taken this path. It's odd, because I spoke to my favourite creators on another site about this when I saw a G9 only product in their store. I won't say who, but you will have heard of them, they are at the very top. It wouldn't be fair of me to give details of that conversation, but let's say that what was said was reassuring and doesn't align well with the business arguments being put forward here. Since them everything they've done has been either for both or G8.x only. I realise this is not satisfying to say "trust me on this", but it was a private converation.
It's a shame Daz ignored migration of heels (again) because it means the figure is no use to me.
It is just a natural marketing move that they try to push the new figure. If hot deals are available only for G9 then new customers will go for G9. I guess there will be hot deals for G8 too another time, especially if they see that G9 doesn't sell.
This is an excellenr point, and it may also explain why elsewhere, we aren't seeing that push.
I regret that they didn't make a figure that I can for a long time to come. If they had, I'd feel differently. The same happened with G8 (no heels) but at least then, I was able to build up a collection of G8 stuff I could also use on G3.
And here from Sickleyield:
"A note on high-heeled shoes: There's not really a way to fix these with a template. You have to AutoFit them, fit to nothing, pose the figure's feet in them, and transfer rigging. Detailed instructions are included as a bonus in the manual."
I am not going to fix 100 pairs of shoes or go through that for every render, therefore I cannot use G9.
I think for me at least for now, G2, G3 and G8-8.1 will be it when content purchases come to mind. Also with the costs of living going nuts, currency exchange rates and a possible recession incoming, having any spare cash for buying any new content could be rather limited.
This is no different then any other new generational figure sale. The first 6-8 months people aren't happy and then they see more and more what that generation can do and they start the migration. Its a proven and repeatable process of events. Every generation follows the same recipe and ends up being the best selling generation for PA's and Daz.
I am sure this is true, but I think the complaint is that the transition is being made needlessly painful by the lack of support for both generations. The "G9 only" strategy requires people to switch overnight. I can't do that, and people I have spoken to on DA can't do that. I get the impression that many people above can't do that.
Query the store, seach for G3 compatibility and sort by release date to get the ones release after G8 was available. I didn't find a G3 only. Of course they exist, but the point is that there were a very, very large number of cross-generation products last time and you have to do an awful lot of scrolling to get there.
https://www.daz3d.com/people-and-wearables#index=8&filter_compat_figures=Genesis%203%20Female&filtered=1
So in summary, G3 was mostly supported when G8 came out. Now G8 is mostly not supported on G9 products, and as a result, only early adopters are prepared to buy those products.
FWIW, I fed this back to Daz through the appropriate channels so I'll just carry on with G8 for the forseeable future and see what happens.
We'll have a similar argument when G10 comes out.
We are in that transition phase, though, where because G8 has scores of content, people will want to fill any remaining gaps and needs for G8, and G9 still has hardly anything.
At least for the time being there are, like others said, props, enviornments, and scenes which aren't exactly figure dependent.
...the compatibility issue with 8.1 is why I avoided it (save for two very unique characters). One of the annoying factors though with a number of G8 assets was hierarchal assets which precluded transferring them to G3. Most often it was textures but with one figure (Cyber Girl Nakano), the clothing will not fit to G3 (I get an error message) as some components are also hierarchical fits.
Not sure why Daz moved in this direction as it severely limits cross-compatibility and really doesn't seem to be necessary. Yes there are workarounds but as you mention that should not be necessary particularly since both share the same body mesh. This also influenced my reluctance to dump money into fully adopting G8 when it was still relatively new.
...also at the time it was thought that G8 would have a similar "shelf life" (about 2 years) of the previous Genesis generations. Having to retool every two years on a limited budget for many particularly as prices continue to increase just gets more and more difficult.
Had G8 been a more radical update from G3 (say what G9 is to G8), that would have made a difference. G8.1 was even less enticing as the main difference there primarily involved PBR textures and a slight change to the UV. map.
As to fit clones I purchased the "Wear Them All" utility for G3 which has clones from Gen3 (Aiko) up to G8.. Maybe there could be an update of this to include G9.
You are describing every Genesis generation ever, including 8. No Genesis was Victoria 4 at first and they all ended up being it. Every new generation someone questions it, but the latest Genesis is always the popular Genesis.
G9 basics are free and come with a lot so I'm not sure why people are complaining. I just bought a ton of G8 stuff today for 84-90% off and there's still tons to buy. I'm finding I can do a lot with the bare minimum for G9, the morphs and a couple of characters, makeup and today got Cayman's texture converter but I don't see G9 becoming my main go-to character and it probably never will be because I like G8 better for everything except the eyes. I own a LOT and still discovering and purchasing new to me existing stuff for G8.There's a LOT in the store and I'm still discovering older products I missed or dismissed because they weren't on a decent sale. I don't think people will run out of things to buy. And I'm sure someone will come up with a clone to use G9 clothes and hair on G8 eventually. I like using every generation, they all fill a different purpose. Will I re-buy Growing Up, toons, and all the stuff I already have for G8 AND G7 for G9? Maybe when they are over 80% off. I can wait. The trick to buying here is waiting for really good sales (like today!) and stock up. Be patient!
Considering that I see nothing in G9 that I might ever need, the chances of me spending any money on any "G9 exclusively" products are slimmer than slim. But I'm glad that neither DAZland will go bankrupt nor will PAs will no longer be able to feed their families due to missing the money I might have spent here otherwise...
big sale today on previous gen items
You need to try and stack some of your wishlist items that are at 40% - that's just the basic discount. They will discount to 70% and more once you have 3 items from the same category in the cart. Just play a little cart jenga, you'll see!
3D Art demands a lot of computer resources. Computers continue to evolve, becoming more powerful. 3D software evolves, demanding more power. You need to evolve and get better, more powerful computers. If you don't you get left behind. It's that simple.
That's not a fair comparison, because G3 and G8 were much more similar to each other than either is to G9. A closer comparison would be G2 to G3, and while there certainly are products made for both G2 and G3, those are more the exception than the rule.
I'm sure you are right, they are very different. But ultimately, I'm selfish, I can't even imagine using G9. Apart from there being no heels (I'll stop saying that now - I understand the problem), it'll be "oh, ultimate pose master doesn't work", and "oh fit control has gone", and so on and so on, for all the tools that are now essential to my workflow. Maybe in time, G9 will get these tools too, and maybe it won't, but now it they don't exist doesn't. In usability terms it's a step backwards. Just one more reason I don't feel I can move.
So whatever the reason, the G9 only stuff is frustrating when I want it. And this has nothing to do with any kind of compulsion to spend money here, as some people seem to be implying ("you can buy scenes instead"). I buy things because I want them, not because I want to spend money on something, and it makes me sad when something I want isn't useful to me. (And I generally only buy clothes and hair. I have more than enough characters, and other stuff I make myself in Blender, including morphs. I'm not typical.) I'm wasn't spending much anyway, and since G9, it's dropped to almost nothing.
Either PAs will find there are a lot of people like me, sales will suffer, and they will be forced to support both, or I'm in a minonority and I will get left behind. I don't mind I guess, becuase I'm not going to move until the figure works for me and I get fantastic results on G8.x. Either way, I am happy
The historical trend for genesis has been that the new figure gets much of the market. If G8 buyers stop buying G8 in this store to give a lesson, it will only tip the balance towards G9, as naturally new customers would buy the latest figure, and every day there are new customers. The message in any case for the PAs will be that it is not worth continuing in G8, only hair that is easier to maintain between G3, G8 and G9.
Yes, that's the treadmill effect. Over the long term, I've seen that it's true. Windows, at least, has done a great job of maintaining backward compatability of software. So folks can continue using older software with the limitations of doing that. New hardware generally allows that older software to run faster than ever. Also, user community may extend the capabilities of the older software keeping it alive long past its expected expiration date. The same seems to be true for 3D figures.
I have to admit, this topic doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's normal that a big chunk of the market will hop on the bandwagon for the latest thing. People love the novelty of that which is new, and it's apparent to me that a lot of people aren't buying stuff to use everything they buy. They're buying to have stuff in their library. Maybe some people really are using a lot of it, but some aren't using but a small fraction of what they've got. I think it's as much about wanting the stuff as needing it, especially for people who already have a lot of stuff. And I think G9 will do, is doing, just fine.
That said, I'm not using G9, have no firm plan to use it, and will only see about using it at some as-yet undetermined point in the future. That will probably be when something finally emerges that sparks my interest or desire to use it - Neither of those have happened yet. Apologies to dedicated PAs already selling G9 stuff.